Holocaust: Night Will Fall: Ch4 9pm.

[Legacywr]

The extraordinary story of the Allied forces who filmed the terrible scenes in the Nazi concentration camps, and Sidney Bernstein's attempt to produce a documentary of what they found.

According to the trailer, this documentary was made soon after the war, but, deemed too shocking to release!

I got the impression that this might be the first time it has been shown?

[Laurel Green]

Not too sure about wanting to see this - harrowing I expect.

Will be out this evening, so will record it anyway.

Thanks for the heads-up.

[davidc1]

Hitchcock was involved as an editor I think
The Freddie knoller doc from last Thursday was unreal too.

[Jasandjules]

I've seen rather more footage of such events that I would like to. Also read a few stories from those who were there - including those who admit that some of the surrendering Germans were killed by those troops who entered the camps. Not a lot of forgiveness was being handed out when they saw what went on.

[Tango13]

Jasandjules said:

I've seen rather more footage of such events that I would like to. Also read a few stories from those who were there - including those who admit that some of the surrendering Germans were killed by those troops who entered the camps. Not a lot of forgiveness was being handed out when they saw what went on.

I watched a documentary years ago that contained footage of US troops shooting the German guards out of hand, no trial, no judge or jury, just put against the wall and half a clip from a Thompson.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

Tango13 said:

Jasandjules said:

I've seen rather more footage of such events that I would like to. Also read a few stories from those who were there - including those who admit that some of the surrendering Germans were killed by those troops who entered the camps. Not a lot of forgiveness was being handed out when they saw what went on.

I watched a documentary years ago that contained footage of US troops shooting the German guards out of hand, no trial, no judge or jury, just put against the wall and half a clip from a Thompson.

There hasn't been a single war where "war crimes" haven't taken place. Collateral damage you might say.

(I'm not trying to dismiss it by the way, but when you consider what all these young men saw and experienced it's really not unexpected unfortunately)

[don'tbesilly]

After watching the programmes about the dwarfs of Auschwitz and the Freddie Knoller (extraordinary Guy) documentary 'Night will Fall' should make for an interesting and rather harrowing watch .

If the holocaust is an interesting subject for posters, this is on tomorrow:


Shoah: First Era is on TV this week ...
BBC4 7:00pm Sun 25 Jan
Season 1 Episode 1 of 2
Part one of two. Claude Lanzmann's documentary recording personal accounts of the Holocaust. Lanzmann went in search of concentration camp survivors, witnesses and former members of the Nazi party, and conducted in-depth interviews to produce a detailed, first-hand account of the atrocities committed, and examines how the bigotry that led to the genocide still exists decades on. In German, Hebrew, Polish, Yiddish, French and English
See full details

[Tango13]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

There hasn't been a single war where "war crimes" haven't taken place. Collateral damage you might say.

(I'm not trying to dismiss it by the way, but when you consider what all these young men saw and experienced it's really not unexpected unfortunately)

It's certainly a difficult one to call. On the one side the guards should have been given a fair trial with legal representation etc so the US troops were in reality guilty of war crimes but on the other hand they bypassed a lot of legal arguements and the guards simply got what was coming to them anyway.

[Athlon]

fk me

[Lynchie999]

just flicked it on...

[LaurasOtherHalf]

Tango13 said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

There hasn't been a single war where "war crimes" haven't taken place. Collateral damage you might say.

(I'm not trying to dismiss it by the way, but when you consider what all these young men saw and experienced it's really not unexpected unfortunately)

It's certainly a difficult one to call. On the one side the guards should have been given a fair trial with legal representation etc so the US troops were in reality guilty of war crimes but on the other hand they bypassed a lot of legal arguements and the guards simply got what was coming to them anyway.

Did you see Freddie Knoller's story the other night? He spent time with the French resistance blowing up trains that almost certainly didn't contain 100% nazi killers.

& yet the guy is a hero and quite rightly an inspiration to many. In war, bad st happens.

[anonymous-user]

This should be mandatory viewing for us 1st world softies. No one should moan next time they get stuck on a train for a few hrs, or can't buy their favourite sandwich or whatever.


Thank god, that the march of electronic media and the "connected planet" has, i hope, rendered this sort of mass horror to the history books.

[mcelliott]

Words can't really describe this...

[Celtic Dragon]

I've read the diary of a family member from the end of the war. That was an eye opener I can say that.

The Belarussains have a saying "if you keep an eye on the past, you're blind in one eye. If you keep both eyes on the past, you're blind in both eyes"

[patmahe]

Horrific. There are no words. Such evil.

[Legacywr]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

Tango13 said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

There hasn't been a single war where "war crimes" haven't taken place. Collateral damage you might say.

(I'm not trying to dismiss it by the way, but when you consider what all these young men saw and experienced it's really not unexpected unfortunately)

It's certainly a difficult one to call. On the one side the guards should have been given a fair trial with legal representation etc so the US troops were in reality guilty of war crimes but on the other hand they bypassed a lot of legal arguements and the guards simply got what was coming to them anyway.

Did you see Freddie Knoller's story the other night? He spent time with the French resistance blowing up trains that almost certainly didn't contain 100% nazi killers.

& yet the guy is a hero and quite rightly an inspiration to many. In war, bad st happens.

They were in the fifth year of the biggest war in history, we are in no position to judge them!

[Alucidnation]

Just watching on +1

fk. Me.

I mean, you read all about it and hear stories etc, but until you actually see something like this, you almost don't understand.

And again.

fk. Me.

[tobinen]

Very grim viewing. Terrible scenes

[selym]

You start to watch, thinking you know and can deal with the harrowing scenes, but for me anyway I am a different person for watching it. It takes a little away of what makes us humans, rightly too.

At the end of it all we have learnt very little, sadly.

[Racefan_uk]

Max_Torque said:

This should be mandatory viewing for us 1st world softies. No one should moan next time they get stuck on a train for a few hrs, or can't buy their favourite sandwich or whatever.


Thank god, that the march of electronic media and the "connected planet" has, i hope, rendered this sort of mass horror to the history books.

Sadly, from the news reports of a few weeks ago, there's still plenty going on in the world that is similar, if not the same.

You never seem to grasp the true horror until you see it,the guys who found these camps must have had nightmares until they died.