Which 1000cc bike is best?
Discussion
Tim85 said:
2015 BMW S1000RR - Chat Review: http://youtu.be/BHwkhiEE5m4
The new bmw sounds like a good shout if your looking for a new bike.
If you like the inline 4 for me it'd have to be either 2014 or 2015 s1000rr or as new as possible zx10.
Damn!! They've really toned down the looks, I guess we've got to wait for them to cover it in lashings and lashings of HP sauce. Clutchless downshifts could be tasty but then I think would I want a car to do heel n toe for me. The new bmw sounds like a good shout if your looking for a new bike.
If you like the inline 4 for me it'd have to be either 2014 or 2015 s1000rr or as new as possible zx10.
Actually, the Japanese bikes are the ones hiking the prices, way beyond a few years ago, they've gone up (list) ridiculously
Overweight and underpowered has a direct relationship I suppose. If you want the fastest lightest bike at the expense of hardly any fairing and brittle cheap plastic at that, ok. Barely a faired bike in some cases, but that's to also stop them overheating perhaps. Some only make strong power up the top, they're all different. Cost savings are plentiful though, and with the higher price tag. Just another new average looking bike in many cases, but that's just me. Oh, and often corroding in front of your eyes, great. They 'all' sound the same!
I'll have the better made, better quality, heavier, er...slow one, with good stability, equally no breakdowns, easier maintenance and a proper, more resilient fairing (not made from recycled Chinese wheel trims), and slower parts delivery (true), and lower service costs if I chose the dealer. Even lazy customer service maybe.
Don't get me wrong, I like some Japanese bikes, well all bikes really have something, but come on, there all the same. The newer GSXR actually looks ok, much better, but new Suzuki experiences I had, included a bar end assembly falling off on a motorway, back wheel coming loose on motorway and burst shock on motorway on two bikes when a few weeks old, and s
te service. Later years they had a few frames breaking, and the factory recall repair is gluing a pad on the back of the welds - top job. Hey, but they're fastest right haha.
The ZX10R has always interested me apart from the high exhaust model some time ago, I so nearly bought a pearlescent orange one in 2009 at 7.5k new! Bargain! Which made up for the insect like looks. The Repsol was a nicer bike overall,and the same shop had one RR7 left unregistered in a warehouse in 2009, so had to have it. Now the ZX10R is how much?? Really?
R1? a couple of years ago the 'big bang' (fugly) engine model priced at nearly 14k, then discounted to 11k. Farce. The one before was nicer, or the SP yes!
Really, both get discounted, probably more than BMW's, which are indeed possibly a better bike at the moment, though increasingly there are serious reliability problems which their better customer service helps with, or even helps conceal. BMW appear to be trying hard to get a following, and are succeeding.
Something else, MV and Aprilia, have their own approved accessories, including exhausts, cans or systems, (not sure on BMW zorsts, but recall they do other kit) The other manufacturers don't do they in the same way? The dealers may give cans away to help sell bikes, but that's not the same as picking up an official accessory book and seeing the factory approved choices designed to optimise you bike experience.
Charlotte has the experience of a bike pitched at a certain level, and states already she loved it, and there are only one or two to match or surpass that.
So many have a bike and don't use it, only go out for an hour every week, maybe just fair weather users, all that, changing them every year etc. Maybe borrowed a mate's, or even throwing them down the road. You get mixed opinions from all of that too, in addition to the normal pissing contests.
Then, unlike cars, proper demo's are like hens teeth. You've already had a less than ideal response, it isn't easy, and yet getting as dear as a car purchase now. Things have to change.
Anyway, don't be put off anything, just try to take the positives Mrs, and have a good go at trying the best options.
Only my2p
Overweight and underpowered has a direct relationship I suppose. If you want the fastest lightest bike at the expense of hardly any fairing and brittle cheap plastic at that, ok. Barely a faired bike in some cases, but that's to also stop them overheating perhaps. Some only make strong power up the top, they're all different. Cost savings are plentiful though, and with the higher price tag. Just another new average looking bike in many cases, but that's just me. Oh, and often corroding in front of your eyes, great. They 'all' sound the same!
I'll have the better made, better quality, heavier, er...slow one, with good stability, equally no breakdowns, easier maintenance and a proper, more resilient fairing (not made from recycled Chinese wheel trims), and slower parts delivery (true), and lower service costs if I chose the dealer. Even lazy customer service maybe.
Don't get me wrong, I like some Japanese bikes, well all bikes really have something, but come on, there all the same. The newer GSXR actually looks ok, much better, but new Suzuki experiences I had, included a bar end assembly falling off on a motorway, back wheel coming loose on motorway and burst shock on motorway on two bikes when a few weeks old, and s
te service. Later years they had a few frames breaking, and the factory recall repair is gluing a pad on the back of the welds - top job. Hey, but they're fastest right haha. The ZX10R has always interested me apart from the high exhaust model some time ago, I so nearly bought a pearlescent orange one in 2009 at 7.5k new! Bargain! Which made up for the insect like looks. The Repsol was a nicer bike overall,and the same shop had one RR7 left unregistered in a warehouse in 2009, so had to have it. Now the ZX10R is how much?? Really?
R1? a couple of years ago the 'big bang' (fugly) engine model priced at nearly 14k, then discounted to 11k. Farce. The one before was nicer, or the SP yes!
Really, both get discounted, probably more than BMW's, which are indeed possibly a better bike at the moment, though increasingly there are serious reliability problems which their better customer service helps with, or even helps conceal. BMW appear to be trying hard to get a following, and are succeeding.
Something else, MV and Aprilia, have their own approved accessories, including exhausts, cans or systems, (not sure on BMW zorsts, but recall they do other kit) The other manufacturers don't do they in the same way? The dealers may give cans away to help sell bikes, but that's not the same as picking up an official accessory book and seeing the factory approved choices designed to optimise you bike experience.
Charlotte has the experience of a bike pitched at a certain level, and states already she loved it, and there are only one or two to match or surpass that.
So many have a bike and don't use it, only go out for an hour every week, maybe just fair weather users, all that, changing them every year etc. Maybe borrowed a mate's, or even throwing them down the road. You get mixed opinions from all of that too, in addition to the normal pissing contests.
Then, unlike cars, proper demo's are like hens teeth. You've already had a less than ideal response, it isn't easy, and yet getting as dear as a car purchase now. Things have to change.
Anyway, don't be put off anything, just try to take the positives Mrs, and have a good go at trying the best options.
Only my2p
BvG must be psychic..just got a notification for this
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBLLn8OGzeM&fe...
CarsOrBikes said:
Actually, the Japanese bikes are the ones hiking the prices, way beyond a few years ago, they've gone up (list) ridiculously
Overweight and underpowered has a direct relationship I suppose. If you want the fastest lightest bike at the expense of hardly any fairing and brittle cheap plastic at that, ok. Barely a faired bike in some cases, but that's to also stop them overheating perhaps. Some only make strong power up the top, they're all different. Cost savings are plentiful though, and with the higher price tag. Just another new average looking bike in many cases, but that's just me. Oh, and often corroding in front of your eyes, great. They 'all' sound the same!
I'll have the better made, better quality, heavier, er...slow one, with good stability, equally no breakdowns, easier maintenance and a proper, more resilient fairing (not made from recycled Chinese wheel trims), and slower parts delivery (true), and lower service costs if I chose the dealer. Even lazy customer service maybe.
Don't get me wrong, I like some Japanese bikes, well all bikes really have something, but come on, there all the same. The newer GSXR actually looks ok, much better, but new Suzuki experiences I had, included a bar end assembly falling off on a motorway, back wheel coming loose on motorway and burst shock on motorway on two bikes when a few weeks old, and ste service. Later years they had a few frames breaking, and the factory recall repair is gluing a pad on the back of the welds - top job. Hey, but they're fastest right haha.
The ZX10R has always interested me apart from the high exhaust model some time ago, I so nearly bought a pearlescent orange one in 2009 at 7.5k new! Bargain! Which made up for the insect like looks. The Repsol was a nicer bike overall,and the same shop had one RR7 left unregistered in a warehouse in 2009, so had to have it. Now the ZX10R is how much?? Really?
R1? a couple of years ago the 'big bang' (fugly) engine model priced at nearly 14k, then discounted to 11k. Farce. The one before was nicer, or the SP yes!
Really, both get discounted, probably more than BMW's, which are indeed possibly a better bike at the moment, though increasingly there are serious reliability problems which their better customer service helps with, or even helps conceal. BMW appear to be trying hard to get a following, and are succeeding.
Something else, MV and Aprilia, have their own approved accessories, including exhausts, cans or systems, (not sure on BMW zorsts, but recall they do other kit) The other manufacturers don't do they in the same way? The dealers may give cans away to help sell bikes, but that's not the same as picking up an official accessory book and seeing the factory approved choices designed to optimise you bike experience.
Charlotte has the experience of a bike pitched at a certain level, and states already she loved it, and there are only one or two to match or surpass that.
So many have a bike and don't use it, only go out for an hour every week, maybe just fair weather users, all that, changing them every year etc. Maybe borrowed a mate's, or even throwing them down the road. You get mixed opinions from all of that too, in addition to the normal pissing contests.
Then, unlike cars, proper demo's are like hens teeth. You've already had a less than ideal response, it isn't easy, and yet getting as dear as a car purchase now. Things have to change.
Anyway, don't be put off anything, just try to take the positives Mrs, and have a good go at trying the best options.
Only my2p
Read all of this, then go and buy a Blade.Overweight and underpowered has a direct relationship I suppose. If you want the fastest lightest bike at the expense of hardly any fairing and brittle cheap plastic at that, ok. Barely a faired bike in some cases, but that's to also stop them overheating perhaps. Some only make strong power up the top, they're all different. Cost savings are plentiful though, and with the higher price tag. Just another new average looking bike in many cases, but that's just me. Oh, and often corroding in front of your eyes, great. They 'all' sound the same!
I'll have the better made, better quality, heavier, er...slow one, with good stability, equally no breakdowns, easier maintenance and a proper, more resilient fairing (not made from recycled Chinese wheel trims), and slower parts delivery (true), and lower service costs if I chose the dealer. Even lazy customer service maybe.
Don't get me wrong, I like some Japanese bikes, well all bikes really have something, but come on, there all the same. The newer GSXR actually looks ok, much better, but new Suzuki experiences I had, included a bar end assembly falling off on a motorway, back wheel coming loose on motorway and burst shock on motorway on two bikes when a few weeks old, and s
te service. Later years they had a few frames breaking, and the factory recall repair is gluing a pad on the back of the welds - top job. Hey, but they're fastest right haha. The ZX10R has always interested me apart from the high exhaust model some time ago, I so nearly bought a pearlescent orange one in 2009 at 7.5k new! Bargain! Which made up for the insect like looks. The Repsol was a nicer bike overall,and the same shop had one RR7 left unregistered in a warehouse in 2009, so had to have it. Now the ZX10R is how much?? Really?
R1? a couple of years ago the 'big bang' (fugly) engine model priced at nearly 14k, then discounted to 11k. Farce. The one before was nicer, or the SP yes!
Really, both get discounted, probably more than BMW's, which are indeed possibly a better bike at the moment, though increasingly there are serious reliability problems which their better customer service helps with, or even helps conceal. BMW appear to be trying hard to get a following, and are succeeding.
Something else, MV and Aprilia, have their own approved accessories, including exhausts, cans or systems, (not sure on BMW zorsts, but recall they do other kit) The other manufacturers don't do they in the same way? The dealers may give cans away to help sell bikes, but that's not the same as picking up an official accessory book and seeing the factory approved choices designed to optimise you bike experience.
Charlotte has the experience of a bike pitched at a certain level, and states already she loved it, and there are only one or two to match or surpass that.
So many have a bike and don't use it, only go out for an hour every week, maybe just fair weather users, all that, changing them every year etc. Maybe borrowed a mate's, or even throwing them down the road. You get mixed opinions from all of that too, in addition to the normal pissing contests.
Then, unlike cars, proper demo's are like hens teeth. You've already had a less than ideal response, it isn't easy, and yet getting as dear as a car purchase now. Things have to change.
Anyway, don't be put off anything, just try to take the positives Mrs, and have a good go at trying the best options.
Only my2p
Biker's Nemesis said:
rev-erend said:
I was asking similar questions about 18 months ago .. went for a few test rides and settled on a BMW S1000rr .. well OK it was a HP4 but if you want the best you just have to go for it.
HP4's are monsters, with just a de cat, a 520 pitch chain conversion with different sprockets and all the road gear off it wasReeling in our old 2010 S1000RR which had all sorts done too it,
If you have one as a road bike no one on anything should be able to keep you in sight
I have had a Fireblade for a while now, never had any hint of any problems with it. I think any litre bike on the road, is near impossible to get to the limit of anything on it. The main thing that sold it to me was the price, at two years old it was £7500, no other bike was anywhere near.
How can you go past a new GSXR1000 for £9000-9500????
Its a lovely road bike that does not have all the electronic crap that in reality a lot of people don't want?
I have ridden a lot of other bikes in the quest to change, BMWS1000R, 1199 Panigale, V4 Tuono etc. I have yet to find a bike I prefer though the BMW came very close!
Its a lovely road bike that does not have all the electronic crap that in reality a lot of people don't want?
I have ridden a lot of other bikes in the quest to change, BMWS1000R, 1199 Panigale, V4 Tuono etc. I have yet to find a bike I prefer though the BMW came very close!
Thing is, it's all very subjective, and very dependent on what you're using the bike for, and what you like - something which Charlotte hasn't given any info on.
IMHO (very subjective), all the IL4s I tried left me pretty cold for road use - explosive at the top end, but keeping it there on the public road was something of a problem. I'm sure they'd be epic on track - but I suspect I'm very much a twin person. In the end I went for a fragile piece of italian cr*p over the three cylinder british option. I thought both were brilliant, and based on highly scientific rides out with mates, the 848 is the fastest bike on the road
Might be down to having the power there when I twist the throttle, might be that I'm more stupid than the guys I ride with.. I'd also suggest that peak power is only relevant for marketing bumph and pub conversations. But then I would..
Interestingly I had very few problems test riding - triumph were brilliant, bmw were OK (so long as you booked it ahead), Yamaha were pretty accommodating too, as was the place with the ducati (KTM dealership, granted!). I guess that's just another sign that I'm ?turning into? an old git!
Another random thought, there's certainly a lot of merit in having a cheap snotter for general runaround duties, and keep the nice bike for best/not leaving places where it might get nicked. It costs me an extra 70 quid to insure the snotter on a multibike policy.
IMHO (very subjective), all the IL4s I tried left me pretty cold for road use - explosive at the top end, but keeping it there on the public road was something of a problem. I'm sure they'd be epic on track - but I suspect I'm very much a twin person. In the end I went for a fragile piece of italian cr*p over the three cylinder british option. I thought both were brilliant, and based on highly scientific rides out with mates, the 848 is the fastest bike on the road
Might be down to having the power there when I twist the throttle, might be that I'm more stupid than the guys I ride with.. I'd also suggest that peak power is only relevant for marketing bumph and pub conversations. But then I would..Interestingly I had very few problems test riding - triumph were brilliant, bmw were OK (so long as you booked it ahead), Yamaha were pretty accommodating too, as was the place with the ducati (KTM dealership, granted!). I guess that's just another sign that I'm ?turning into? an old git!
Another random thought, there's certainly a lot of merit in having a cheap snotter for general runaround duties, and keep the nice bike for best/not leaving places where it might get nicked. It costs me an extra 70 quid to insure the snotter on a multibike policy.
y2blade said:
Biker's Nemesis said:
If it wasn't for the reliability issues with the RSV4 I would have one..... fk it I would get one today.
I recommend them to a few mates over the S1000RR a few years back and half of them have blown up or left them stranded in Germany when the electr
One other mate just keeps crashing his.
They all say the same as I did that they handle great out of the box on track and instill confidence on the road plus they sound like nothing else on full chat with a race pipe
I really have a hard on for RSV4's but I can't be arsed with things breaking engine wise in this day and age.
Parts supply can still be an issue too
I told you guys this a good while ago...would you lot listen? would you ****! k it I would get one today.I recommend them to a few mates over the S1000RR a few years back and half of them have blown up or left them stranded in Germany when the electr
One other mate just keeps crashing his.
They all say the same as I did that they handle great out of the box on track and instill confidence on the road plus they sound like nothing else on full chat with a race pipe
I really have a hard on for RSV4's but I can't be arsed with things breaking engine wise in this day and age.
Parts supply can still be an issue too
k**bheads
Get the RSV4!!!
Mind you if i listened to my own advice, id be on a benelli Tornado 1100
If you run on track, and are relatively lighter weight (most ladies are compared to us fat blokes), instead of a 1000cc, I'd be tempted to go for a Pani 899. The 73ftlbs torque of the 899 is plenty for the lighter rider, and it's handling and all round package is supposedly better than the 1199. In white! 
spareparts said:
If you run on track, and are relatively lighter weight (most ladies are compared to us fat blokes), instead of a 1000cc, I'd be tempted to go for a Pani 899. The 73ftlbs torque of the 899 is plenty for the lighter rider, and it's handling and all round package is supposedly better than the 1199. In white!
Thanks I shall add that to my list (I'm 60kg)! Just seems most of the dealers don't keep any of the bikes on demo...I shall go to the bike show and try and book them all there.So use...every day (I take on board the commuter thing as the S1 was nicked outside my office...but when I had both (VFR800) before I'd go the garage take one look inside and get on the S1 whatever the weather...the only people who preferred the VFR were pillions!), road ride outs here, track days here and I went to Spain last year which was great so I was hoping to do that again...and I've got a trip to the Dolomites and Nurburgring coming up...so I need a bike for all of the above. I've never had a problem with the bike in traffic...it's narrower than most of the commuters (I used to hit the handlebars on the BMW 800 all the time).
I like a bike that gets to speed quickly...I love that wheeee feeling when a car moves over and you can gun it past and I love a bike that's forgiving when you do screw up a corner (yup still do that)! I've only seen the red traction control light on mud and gravel and was amazed at how quick it tucked the back in...so I'd quite like that again...although it can be added.... Not too worried about fuel (anything's good compared to a car)
The advice has been great, nothing seems to have been ruled out (bit concerned about the Aprilla reliability issues) Thank you! Whatever I get I'm wrapping it in pink again...I thought the BMW looked great! Probably too great which is why she got nicked!
Charlotte Morgan said:
Thanks I shall add that to my list (I'm 60kg)! Just seems most of the dealers don't keep any of the bikes on demo...I shall go to the bike show and try and book them all there.
If it's not too far for you Seastars on the way to Norwich usually have one available. Don't be fooled by it being in Norfolk either, they're great blokes, they all have the normal amount of digits and you don't need a local translator to understand them (well, since Cleetus left anyway )Charlotte Morgan said:
Thanks I shall add that to my list (I'm 60kg)! Just seems most of the dealers don't keep any of the bikes on demo...I shall go to the bike show and try and book them all there.
So use...every day (I take on board the commuter thing as the S1 was nicked outside my office...but when I had both (VFR800) before I'd go the garage take one look inside and get on the S1 whatever the weather...the only people who preferred the VFR were pillions!), road ride outs here, track days here and I went to Spain last year which was great so I was hoping to do that again...and I've got a trip to the Dolomites and Nurburgring coming up...so I need a bike for all of the above. I've never had a problem with the bike in traffic...it's narrower than most of the commuters (I used to hit the handlebars on the BMW 800 all the time).
I like a bike that gets to speed quickly...I love that wheeee feeling when a car moves over and you can gun it past and I love a bike that's forgiving when you do screw up a corner (yup still do that)! I've only seen the red traction control light on mud and gravel and was amazed at how quick it tucked the back in...so I'd quite like that again...although it can be added.... Not too worried about fuel (anything's good compared to a car)
Sounds like a triple or a twin might be a better bet (not that I'm biased So use...every day (I take on board the commuter thing as the S1 was nicked outside my office...but when I had both (VFR800) before I'd go the garage take one look inside and get on the S1 whatever the weather...the only people who preferred the VFR were pillions!), road ride outs here, track days here and I went to Spain last year which was great so I was hoping to do that again...and I've got a trip to the Dolomites and Nurburgring coming up...so I need a bike for all of the above. I've never had a problem with the bike in traffic...it's narrower than most of the commuters (I used to hit the handlebars on the BMW 800 all the time).
I like a bike that gets to speed quickly...I love that wheeee feeling when a car moves over and you can gun it past and I love a bike that's forgiving when you do screw up a corner (yup still do that)! I've only seen the red traction control light on mud and gravel and was amazed at how quick it tucked the back in...so I'd quite like that again...although it can be added.... Not too worried about fuel (anything's good compared to a car)
) - much more midrange shove. Only thing about the ducati is that they're not the quickest steering bike - compared to the S1000, mine needs a fairly concerted shove to get it to lay down and stay down - I understand that to be a family trait.Oddly, despite only having had a (bike)license for a smidge over 3 years I had no problems riding an S1000/R1/R6/675 daytona/speed triple/848 ducati (last from a ktm dealership!) though I found ringing ahead helped, and booking was essential - nobody wanted to do a test ride 'on the spot'.
Get what you're saying about the commuter - I do occasionally take the 'nice' bike, but for me being able to have a top box, and dump it wherever/leave at the airport for several days without a second thought/not carry a big-ass chain just makes all the difference. Did try running just the nice one for a while, but was checking out the window every 10 mins to see if it's still there (that's london tho..) and taking taxis to the airport.
I didn't get on with the 1199 when I took one out for a test ride, it felt narrow and the seat wanted to push you into the tank all the time, I could get used to one and bet it would be a great bike but unfortunately a half hour test ride isn't enough!!.
I rode a friends 899 straight after getting of the RSV4 and I have to agree with what the other poster said about them being slower steering, the handling on it was great it just needs moreuscling about to turn it in.
I rode a friends 899 straight after getting of the RSV4 and I have to agree with what the other poster said about them being slower steering, the handling on it was great it just needs moreuscling about to turn it in.
upsidedownmark said:
Sounds like a triple or a twin might be a better bet (not that I'm biased ) - much more midrange shove.
the 2009 - 2014 R1 is quite good at that . ) - much more midrange shove.Dunno if the 2015 R1 will sacrifice the mid range for top end .
If you want to see a pink R1 I'm sure that certain PHers still have pics of their one !
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