Paul Bailey's got all three
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It's pretty clear that the driver was at fault.
Ran out of talent and track.
Feel sorry for all those involved, but it does make you question events like this where amateurs are let loose in cars that are clearly too powerful for their abilities.
As we all know even professional drivers have moments, but I seriously doubt that would have happened.
Ran out of talent and track.
Feel sorry for all those involved, but it does make you question events like this where amateurs are let loose in cars that are clearly too powerful for their abilities.
As we all know even professional drivers have moments, but I seriously doubt that would have happened.
Camlet said:
mattf93 said:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2015/oct/05...
Interview before the crash - for the judgemental ones its a brief look into his views.
Thanks for posting. He's a genuine guy with a deep passion for cars, enjoys sharing his passion and yes receiving lots of attention - as do 99.9% of owners, small or big. I can only imagine the depth of his sadness and misery at what happened and it wouldn't surprise me if Mr Bailey personally looks after those critically injured in the years to come. It's a living nightmare. Interview before the crash - for the judgemental ones its a brief look into his views.
The organisers are to blame: the spectators assumed there was the necessary safety margin, the organisers must have assumed Mr Bailey could handle his cars and Mr Bailey must have assumed the organisers had built in the required safety provision. A tragic accident waiting to happen.
Not the same but I went to the Bedford Autodrome a few weeks back with my kids (in their twenties). For the entire day we were pushed harder by the (excellent) instructors than I ever thought possible. It was extreme. But you could see everywhere there was a huge emphasis on safety. Cars completely separated from humans and buildings.
I sincerely hope all make a complete recovery, that Mr Bailey retains his passion and his willingness to share it, and that all amateur organisers learn from Malta.
A charitable event organised to share and show the latest heirachy of the supercar world, both static and on the go, has gone horribly wrong.
Todays supercars are more powerful than ever and the slightest error can end as it did in Malta.
As you say Camlet, when cars, track and spectators are in the mix, safety has to be absolute .
scoobyPPP said:
For all those with driving experience here, is there anything he could have done to gain control of the car once it started sliding or was it a lost cause once he hit the grass?
I'd be interested to see if the traction control, ESP etc was turned on.I may be wrong but it certainly didn't look like the car detected the loss of traction or attempt to keep it going in a straight line.
scoobyPPP said:
For all those with driving experience here, is there anything he could have done to gain control of the car once it started sliding or was it a lost cause once he hit the grass?
Full opposite lock as quickly as possible and hold on really but requires room and to be alert beforehand.I didn't think it was going that fast personally (60-80mph ?) but it's hard to get perspective on it
scoobyPPP said:
For all those with driving experience here, is there anything he could have done to gain control of the car once it started sliding or was it a lost cause once he hit the grass?
If you know it's going to run out onto the grass (or another surface with much less grip than the one you are on), best hope is to try to release the steering lock so that the front wheels are heading straight before the offside wheel has touched the less grippy surface. As the problem started probably because you could not keep the car from running out onto the grass, to straighten the steering means in effect aiming for the grass, but at least with front wheels straight the car has less tendency to rotate. As said above, a car will roll stably on a split surface - if the steering is straight ahead and you do not apply brakes or more throttle.
If the car has already passed the point of no return, and you have a lot of lateral space, as the driver appeared to do in this case, best thing is to put on maximum lock in the direction of the spin. This will make the spin happen much earlier, but by spinning earlier and in a tighter radius, there will be more rotations and the car will slow down sooner, potentially before you hit something solid. Also, as I am sure you know, if you are in a spin, you want to keep your right foot hard on the brake pedal whilst putting in the clutch pedal (if the car has one).
ferdi p said:
I don't think he said anything that unreasonable tbh...
Making cars with this immense amount of torque to the rear wheels in a road car must be matched with lightening fast electronic aids (or an F1 driver!) It looks to me that as soon as the rear wheel touched the grass the car went out of control.
I do hope everyone involved is ok & you're absolutely right, the safety at that event looks questionable at best...
Hate to be 'that' guy but the 918 is 4wd. Making cars with this immense amount of torque to the rear wheels in a road car must be matched with lightening fast electronic aids (or an F1 driver!) It looks to me that as soon as the rear wheel touched the grass the car went out of control.
I do hope everyone involved is ok & you're absolutely right, the safety at that event looks questionable at best...
The LaF & P1 are his two wheel drive cars.
HollywoodStig said:
ferdi p said:
I don't think he said anything that unreasonable tbh...
Making cars with this immense amount of torque to the rear wheels in a road car must be matched with lightening fast electronic aids (or an F1 driver!) It looks to me that as soon as the rear wheel touched the grass the car went out of control.
I do hope everyone involved is ok & you're absolutely right, the safety at that event looks questionable at best...
Hate to be 'that' guy but the 918 is 4wd. Making cars with this immense amount of torque to the rear wheels in a road car must be matched with lightening fast electronic aids (or an F1 driver!) It looks to me that as soon as the rear wheel touched the grass the car went out of control.
I do hope everyone involved is ok & you're absolutely right, the safety at that event looks questionable at best...
The LaF & P1 are his two wheel drive cars.
It has the main engine & 1 electric motor running the rears & the other electric motor running the fronts...
As I said with that amount of torque to the rears, wet grass & fronts off centre, you'd better have brilliant car control or mega fast traction control...
ferdi p said:
Never said it wasn't...
It has the main engine & 1 electric motor running the rears & the other electric motor running the fronts...
As I said with that amount of torque to the rears, wet grass & fronts off centre, you'd better have brilliant car control or mega fast traction control...
It may be all wheel drive but it is still a rear wheel drive biased system and the front motors decouple completely above I believe 124mph making it pure RWD after...It has the main engine & 1 electric motor running the rears & the other electric motor running the fronts...
As I said with that amount of torque to the rears, wet grass & fronts off centre, you'd better have brilliant car control or mega fast traction control...
Another update:
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20151006...
Mother and daughter stable (left ITU but presumably still in hospital), those in ITU now down to 2 people. The fatality was nothing more than a vicious rumour.
mattf93 said:
And where are you plucking this statement from?
Authority? Evidence?
Authority? Evidence?
http://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/carrera-gt/8511/porsc...
It goes on...
The guy really doesn't know how to drive, well known with those that have driven with him on track.
Stryke said:
http://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/carrera-gt/8511/porsc...
It goes on...
The guy really doesn't know how to drive, well known with those that have driven with him on track.
PH
Stryke said:
http://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/carrera-gt/8511/porsc...
It goes on...
The guy really doesn't know how to drive, well known with those that have driven with him on track.
Yes he's no Lewis Hamilton/Raikonnen/Alonso etc, but he can pedal his cars. I think you'll find most drivers have bumps - they can happen!
mattf93 said:
Pauls is Rosso Rubino (1 of 1), so clearly you don't really know what you're on about. Just linking some bloke who crashed his Enzo to PB, to insinuate Paul is a crap driver is a bit childish.
Yes he's no Lewis Hamilton/Raikonnen/Alonso etc, but he can pedal his cars. I think you'll find most drivers have bumps - they can happen!
Are you PBs number one fan?Yes he's no Lewis Hamilton/Raikonnen/Alonso etc, but he can pedal his cars. I think you'll find most drivers have bumps - they can happen!
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