RE: McLaren 675LT: official
Wednesday 28th January 2015
Yes, that lead image is the same as used recently when McLaren announced a faster 650S. But the only pic released with the 675LT is of a wheel and, well, that's not very good. Back to the camo'd test mule!
That's good, it will have wheelsWhatever, those few details that have been released ahead of Geneva are promising. 'LT' stands for Longtail of course, a name last seen on a McLaren in 1997 when the F1 was in sportscar racing. Described by McLaren as the "ultimate example of one of motorsport's most successful cars", the Longtail name and ethos is being used again for the ultimate 650S.
McLaren 675LT: official
'Longtail' name confirmed for faster 650S coupe to be revealed at Geneva
That's good, it will have wheels
So what is a McLaren Longtail? Officially it's a car with a "focus on performance optimised aerodynamics, increased downforce, driver engagement, power and reduced weight." To that end power is up to 675hp (in case you hadn't guessed) and it will initially be offered exclusively as a coupe. Expect more details to follow in the weeks leading up to Geneva.
The introduction of the 675LT also heralds a new naming convention for McLaren. Following on from the Sports Series, the 625C, 650 and 675 family of cars will be known as the Super Series. Hmm. Don't forget there's the P1 GTR on show at Geneva as well. More info soon!
Discussion
Buzz84 said:
Not really worth putting it in for 9 seconds of a wheel going round??Mark-C said:
If only it was that good looking!
PH - how about standing out from the crowd by not posting press releases as news?
Ouch. There's not really an awful lot more to say on the car, we had speculated previously and therefore when the official details did come out we wanted to provide as many as possible. Apologies if did read like a copy and paste, we always aim to never, ever do that! Wild metaphor and conjecture to follow soon. Maybe.PH - how about standing out from the crowd by not posting press releases as news?
Matt
Guvernator said:
Is it just me or does anyone else think that all these "special editions" are getting a bit naff now? Reminds me of Lotus back when they were in dire straights and releasing "special editions" every 5 minutes except I expect stuff like that from Lotus, not McLaren.
I agree, it's almost if the you could add most of the offerings on the special editions to an options list for the standard card. Guvernator said:
Is it just me or does anyone else think that all these "special editions" are getting a bit naff now? Reminds me of Lotus back when they were in dire straights and releasing "special editions" every 5 minutes except I expect stuff like that from Lotus, not McLaren.
Reminds me of Porsche, boring.Seems strange that Mclaren get this flak - it's no different to Porsche releasing a GT3/GT2/RS/etc. Or Ferrari with Stradale/GTO/whatever name they want to use next.
The 12C and 650S are measurably different - perhaps a bigger difference than 360 - 430, or 993 - 996. This is very different from a standard 650S, although clearly a special edition in the vein of the GT3 etc. Very different from a paint job and stickers a la Lotus.
The one I can understand has pissed owners off is the P1 GTR - I know Flemke has been clear that he sees it's release as a weltch on the maximum production figures they told prospective owners...
650S didn't seem to have a bigger than usual impact to 12C prices, this won't effect 650S prices at all - same as the GT3 doesn't.
The 12C and 650S are measurably different - perhaps a bigger difference than 360 - 430, or 993 - 996. This is very different from a standard 650S, although clearly a special edition in the vein of the GT3 etc. Very different from a paint job and stickers a la Lotus.
The one I can understand has pissed owners off is the P1 GTR - I know Flemke has been clear that he sees it's release as a weltch on the maximum production figures they told prospective owners...
650S didn't seem to have a bigger than usual impact to 12C prices, this won't effect 650S prices at all - same as the GT3 doesn't.
cayman-black said:
Guvernator said:
Is it just me or does anyone else think that all these "special editions" are getting a bit naff now? Reminds me of Lotus back when they were in dire straights and releasing "special editions" every 5 minutes except I expect stuff like that from Lotus, not McLaren.
Reminds me of Porsche, boring.
Guvernator said:
Is it just me or does anyone else think that all these "special editions" are getting a bit naff now? Reminds me of Lotus back when they were in dire straights and releasing "special editions" every 5 minutes except I expect stuff like that from Lotus, not McLaren.
Completely agree. Trying to make the most out of a limited range of cars is the reason I think. Basically repackaging the 12c as many times as humanly possible and each time changing the name so people don't cotton on. Yes Ferrari have a 458 and a speciale but they are still 458's. I loved the 12C and feel let down that McLaren are going down this route. A clearer model strategy would be better.Exactly, it's hardly like it's a limited production vehicle.
Compare with Porsche's 2wd/4wd/wide arch/cabrio/targa/narrow body/wings/no wings/different engine sizes/owner's club edition/etc. Yet because they've been doing it for years there's apparently no confusion, and it's perfectly fine to have one version nearly double the cost of another. It puts me off getting one second hand, I have no real clue which bloody version is 'best' for my use and budget...
Right from the beginning they stated that normal production cycles wouldn't be followed, they were aiming for continuous improvement.
Compare with Porsche's 2wd/4wd/wide arch/cabrio/targa/narrow body/wings/no wings/different engine sizes/owner's club edition/etc. Yet because they've been doing it for years there's apparently no confusion, and it's perfectly fine to have one version nearly double the cost of another. It puts me off getting one second hand, I have no real clue which bloody version is 'best' for my use and budget...
Right from the beginning they stated that normal production cycles wouldn't be followed, they were aiming for continuous improvement.
suffolk009 said:
It's being reported elsewhere that the car has 666bhp, that the 675 is Kj (or whatever it that make the 650S worth 650).
PS. The 650S is 650 PS, so that will be 675 PS. The P1 GTR is 1,000 PS. PS (pferdestärke, German - literally 'horse power') is a strange unit for a company like McLaren to use, given it's effectively obsolete as far as EU regulations go, but it I think it's still widely in use socially, much like pint vs litre.suffolk009 said:
And I don't understand the loathing for the special editions - everyone does it now. If you don't like it just buy yourself a standard car.
Ironically, it's got to the point where the 'standard' car might end up being the rarest of them all!Sway said:
Seems strange that Mclaren get this flak - it's no different to Porsche releasing a GT3/GT2/RS/etc. Or Ferrari with Stradale/GTO/whatever name they want to use next.
The 12C and 650S are measurably different - perhaps a bigger difference than 360 - 430, or 993 - 996. This is very different from a standard 650S, although clearly a special edition in the vein of the GT3 etc. Very different from a paint job and stickers a la Lotus.
The one I can understand has pissed owners off is the P1 GTR - I know Flemke has been clear that he sees it's release as a weltch on the maximum production figures they told prospective owners...
650S didn't seem to have a bigger than usual impact to 12C prices, this won't effect 650S prices at all - same as the GT3 doesn't.
Sorry I beg to differ, the 650s is a 12c with a remapped engine and a nose job, a 675LT is a 650 with a remapped engine and a tail job, at least in my mind and probably many others too. Releasing them so close together probably doesn't help with that, it seems barely a week goes by without another model being announced from Mclaren. The 12C and 650S are measurably different - perhaps a bigger difference than 360 - 430, or 993 - 996. This is very different from a standard 650S, although clearly a special edition in the vein of the GT3 etc. Very different from a paint job and stickers a la Lotus.
The one I can understand has pissed owners off is the P1 GTR - I know Flemke has been clear that he sees it's release as a weltch on the maximum production figures they told prospective owners...
650S didn't seem to have a bigger than usual impact to 12C prices, this won't effect 650S prices at all - same as the GT3 doesn't.
In comparison a 360 despite some similarities is a different model to a 430, different engine, different body and they were released about 5 years apart. Oh and don't let the air cooled Porsche beardies catch you saying the air cooled 993 is the same as the water cooled 996 as that's considered blasphemy round these parts, they'd probably try to burn you at the stake!
I'm not saying other manufacturers aren't guilty of it, I think the current 911 range has about 27 different variations but that's the VAG groups bean counters influence at work, I expect a bit more exclusivity from a company of Mclaren's calibre.
Bugger! 996 - 997 even...
It's so much more than that - as Flemke has found, as he wanted a 650S with 12C nose - it physically cannot be done as suspension mount are very different, cooling system completely different, engine components differ, etc. Just the suspension pickups alone make it a substantially different vehicle, from a chassis perspective.
Mclaren have never chased exclusivity at this level - indeed they've been quite candid they need pretty high volumes to cover infrastructure andanot costs. When the Sports Series comes out that'll be even clearer.
Mclaren's business model has changed massively - no more based solely on rarefied 300k plus limited run models. Their long term plan is to rival Porsche sports car volumes (at least, 911 volumes) as much as they can.
Probably best to agree to disagree, but one of my big bugbears with motoring journalists (including those on here) is how they've completely misrepresented what Mclaren are doing, and have done (like when they state that the P1/650S/SS engines are the same, or the carbon chassis are the same) - in each case completely and utterly wrong, or at least written in such a way the reader who doesn't know better gets the wrong end of the stick.
There are (rival) firms who would have had kittens if the same errors had appeared so often about their cars...
It's so much more than that - as Flemke has found, as he wanted a 650S with 12C nose - it physically cannot be done as suspension mount are very different, cooling system completely different, engine components differ, etc. Just the suspension pickups alone make it a substantially different vehicle, from a chassis perspective.
Mclaren have never chased exclusivity at this level - indeed they've been quite candid they need pretty high volumes to cover infrastructure andanot costs. When the Sports Series comes out that'll be even clearer.
Mclaren's business model has changed massively - no more based solely on rarefied 300k plus limited run models. Their long term plan is to rival Porsche sports car volumes (at least, 911 volumes) as much as they can.
Probably best to agree to disagree, but one of my big bugbears with motoring journalists (including those on here) is how they've completely misrepresented what Mclaren are doing, and have done (like when they state that the P1/650S/SS engines are the same, or the carbon chassis are the same) - in each case completely and utterly wrong, or at least written in such a way the reader who doesn't know better gets the wrong end of the stick.
There are (rival) firms who would have had kittens if the same errors had appeared so often about their cars...
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