"All Season" tyres ?
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Need to replace the tyres on our Galaxy, I was looking at the options last night and noticed a few labelled as "All Season", then, coincidentally I was talking to a Canadian colleague who unprompted suggested them.
So, to me they seem to be a hybrid that doesn't do anything that well but covers more bases, at the expense of ultimate grip in summer they grip better at lower temperatures and are much better on snow ?
Are they worth going for, doesn't seem to be a price premium, its £100 a corner for anything that isn't Budget and the lower end midrange stuff.
So, to me they seem to be a hybrid that doesn't do anything that well but covers more bases, at the expense of ultimate grip in summer they grip better at lower temperatures and are much better on snow ?
Are they worth going for, doesn't seem to be a price premium, its £100 a corner for anything that isn't Budget and the lower end midrange stuff.
I've had some Falken AS200 All Seasons on my car since the end of the summer. In the recent cold weather the car seemed to react no differently than on mild days. It still braked and cornered with confidence. When they first went on they felt a bit weird if cornering quickly on hot days. I can only describe it as a 'smeary' sensation. However, I think part of that would probably be due to the tyres being new and therefore having 'taller' tread blocks, although the rest would most likely be the compound. If I had a more performance orientated car I don't think I'd want a 'jack of all trades' tyre, but for a barge I think they're sensible for our indecisive weather.
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ks sake! I AM RAGING! I just typed you out a long and detailed response, clicked "submit" and got a 503 Service Unavailable.
Suffice to say - they're excellent. I've had several sets on several cars. They're a real case of having your cake and eating it. Don;t know why everyone in places like the UK doesn't use them.
Get some.
ks sake! I AM RAGING! I just typed you out a long and detailed response, clicked "submit" and got a 503 Service Unavailable. Suffice to say - they're excellent. I've had several sets on several cars. They're a real case of having your cake and eating it. Don;t know why everyone in places like the UK doesn't use them.
Get some.
trickywoo said:
Just posted this on another thread.
I've run Kleber Quadraxers for the last few years.
Fine in the warm and dry. Excellent in cold and wet and a lot better than a standard tyre on snow.
+1I've run Kleber Quadraxers for the last few years.
Fine in the warm and dry. Excellent in cold and wet and a lot better than a standard tyre on snow.
I've had these on my Jag for the last 18 months or so and they've been excellent. No significant difference from the mid-range summers that my car came with, but the difference on the white stuff is night and day. Confidence inspiring actually, and the wear rate is good, still 6mm after 9000 miles.
Link;
http://www.mytyres.co.uk/cgi-bin/rshop.pl?dsco=110...
Another shout for the Falken AS200s All Season tyres here.
In the recent cold and slushy road conditions it really feels like I can brake late (if necessary) and drive my car with confidence… got mine in 195/65/15 and they were 50 quid a corner.
Was going to post on the winter tyres thread but the petty arguments that go on in there are even worse than the F1 threads - and that takes some beating!
In the recent cold and slushy road conditions it really feels like I can brake late (if necessary) and drive my car with confidence… got mine in 195/65/15 and they were 50 quid a corner.
Was going to post on the winter tyres thread but the petty arguments that go on in there are even worse than the F1 threads - and that takes some beating!
I live up in the Highlands and use Vredstein Quatracs on my car - they are fantastic. Good grip in the rain, virtually no aquaplaning if you hit a puddle too fast, and as good as I have ever needed in the dry. They have seen me through a few winters with zero issues.
My Dad does a lot of rural driving - up to Thurso, Golspie etc and has them on his A4 Quattro. It is yet to give any issues on snow and ice and drives very well in the wet. He gets over 30k to a set too, so well worth it.
I would highly recommend them, they will be going on any car I buy in future.
My Dad does a lot of rural driving - up to Thurso, Golspie etc and has them on his A4 Quattro. It is yet to give any issues on snow and ice and drives very well in the wet. He gets over 30k to a set too, so well worth it.
I would highly recommend them, they will be going on any car I buy in future.
I've run dedicated winters and summers before but on my current Saab 9-5 Aero I choose to keep to one all-season tyre; 225/45 R17 91W Nokian All-Weather which have been on since November 2013 and done 18,000 miles.
They took an age to bed in and were quite slippery at first but they have dealt with year round driving - the only couple of caveats are that we have not had any proper snow and ice so I can't be sure of their full winter ability and in hot wet conditions, such as summer downpours, then their braking performance is I think worse than the Michelin summers that it had on before and they can 'chirp' in the dry too.
Ideally, I'd keep separate dedicated winters and summers but I wanted to keep this simple and meet the correct specification for the car. If you must run only one set I'd choose all-seasons again.
They took an age to bed in and were quite slippery at first but they have dealt with year round driving - the only couple of caveats are that we have not had any proper snow and ice so I can't be sure of their full winter ability and in hot wet conditions, such as summer downpours, then their braking performance is I think worse than the Michelin summers that it had on before and they can 'chirp' in the dry too.
Ideally, I'd keep separate dedicated winters and summers but I wanted to keep this simple and meet the correct specification for the car. If you must run only one set I'd choose all-seasons again.
We used to have Vredestein Quatrac 3s on the Impreza, and they were perfectly good in the summer and brilliant on snow and ice. I was going to put them on the Saab, but couldn't get the speed/load rating so picked up a spare set of winters instead.
If I had an everyday car with no performance pretentions, I'd definitely run all seasons on it.
If I had an everyday car with no performance pretentions, I'd definitely run all seasons on it.
J4CKO said:
Need to replace the tyres on our Galaxy, I was looking at the options last night and noticed a few labelled as "All Season", then, coincidentally I was talking to a Canadian colleague who unprompted suggested them.
Americans, so this might apply to Canadians too, seem to call everyday tyres that we'd think of as Summer, All Season.Our All Season tyres are pretty close to Winter's - they'll be marked M+S and will generally have the snowflake in the 3 peak mountain symbol.
I'm running proper All Season's on my Merc - Vredestein Quatrac 3 on the front and Kumho Solus Vier KH21 on the rear as no manufacturer does both the front and rear sizes to suit the car's staggered set-up. I use it mostly for long distance cruising so I'm not really testing handling, but the car feels exactly the same to me as when it had summer Michelin Primacy HPs. The All Season's aren't even any noisier. They were also 2/3 the price of the Michelin's.
My missus runs full Winter Michelin Alpin's year round on her Honda Jazz. They don't even look much different to summer tyres. Went down from 16" 55 profile to 15" 65 profile for the Winters and I'd say you can feel (no laughing as it's a Jazz
) a lack of precision on turn-in. I mention that as it might be something to think about if you're in the habit of throwing the Galaxy around. People say "they'll wear out faster" - they've lasted longer than the Dunlop SP2030's the car came with new, which I note are referred to as All Season in some markets.Edited by Sheepshanks on Wednesday 28th January 17:14
Hi J4CKO,
I run a tyre program for Pistonheads http://pistonheadstyres.tyregiant.com and I can probably advise you some options for your Galaxy. If you PM me your tyre sizes (Galaxys have three different sizes dependent on the wheels chosen by the purchasor) I'll have a look at whats out there for your car and come back to you with a few recommendations.
I run a sticky Tyre thread under General Gassing if anyone ever has any Qs about tyres
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Cheers
Travis
I run a tyre program for Pistonheads http://pistonheadstyres.tyregiant.com and I can probably advise you some options for your Galaxy. If you PM me your tyre sizes (Galaxys have three different sizes dependent on the wheels chosen by the purchasor) I'll have a look at whats out there for your car and come back to you with a few recommendations.
I run a sticky Tyre thread under General Gassing if anyone ever has any Qs about tyres
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Cheers
Travis
I don't think you can get them here in the UK but Continental makes an AS tyre called the Extreme Contact DWS, I had them on our Merc CLK500 back in the US and they were better in the dry than the summer only Contisportcontact 2's I replaced, yet still felt great in the wet and decent in the occasional light snow. I also had Scorpion ATR AS tyres on my BMW X3 2.5i and I drove that thing through a foot of snow without issue. I have Bridgestone Potenza RE92A all season tyres that came stock on my Genesis coupe 3.8...I have zero complaints about them, but again they are no replacement for proper snow tyres if you live in an area that gets a lot of snow. I myself cannot justify snow tyres when we get one or two days of snow a year.
Guess I'm going to be the only person to say "no". ?
I ran Vredestein Sessantas which are high performance summer tyres and they went fine for me in the winter. Went up hills that 4x4s were spinning their tyres on. Being gentle on the controls helped no end but the Sessanta's big, chunky tread pattern did me fine.
Compared to the Eagle F1's which left me stranded getting into a snowed off Bedford Autodrome which meant I had about 5 marshalls trying to push my car up the hill :-)
I think the sacrifice in performance in the summer is too much. Taking JC's quote on the "What's the best midi-SUV/Caravan towing car", you're sacrificing 9 months of grip for 3 months of POSSIBLE bad weather.
I've never had "all seasons" but I have had winters/summers.
I can sort of see the point but don't view it as a must have. I think if you live out in un-salted areas then obviously this is more important.
To me, unless you live in a particularly hard-to-access area or out in the sticks, I wouldn't bother.
I ran Vredestein Sessantas which are high performance summer tyres and they went fine for me in the winter. Went up hills that 4x4s were spinning their tyres on. Being gentle on the controls helped no end but the Sessanta's big, chunky tread pattern did me fine.
Compared to the Eagle F1's which left me stranded getting into a snowed off Bedford Autodrome which meant I had about 5 marshalls trying to push my car up the hill :-)
I think the sacrifice in performance in the summer is too much. Taking JC's quote on the "What's the best midi-SUV/Caravan towing car", you're sacrificing 9 months of grip for 3 months of POSSIBLE bad weather.
I've never had "all seasons" but I have had winters/summers.
I can sort of see the point but don't view it as a must have. I think if you live out in un-salted areas then obviously this is more important.
To me, unless you live in a particularly hard-to-access area or out in the sticks, I wouldn't bother.
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