online will- any good?

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steveo3002

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10,515 posts

174 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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im looking for a will but dont have alot of money to spend , all my stuff left to one person

should i consider an online service or not?

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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There are some things you can scrimp on, personally, I don't think this should be one of them.

If you want to be absolutely certain that your money will go to the person intended, and in the most tax efficient way possible, then do it with a proper solicitor.

Beggarall

550 posts

241 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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I don't know how old you are or how much money/assets you have but the principle of everyone having a will is good (essential!). If you die intestate your kin will have a lot more difficulty getting probate and there are set rules as to who can inherit. So, if you were proposing to leave money to someone other than a blood relation this will not happen if you don't make a will.
In answer to your question, if you are quite young and only have limited assts an on-line will would work fine - just make sure it is properly witnessed and that the executors know where it is (in case you break your neck skiing for example). Larger amounts/property probably merit a more formal legal construction particularly if your estate exceeds IHT thresholds - it doesn't cost that much to get one drawn properly and there are a lot of companies out there who will provide a service including holding the will safely for you.

steveo3002

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10,515 posts

174 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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im 41 house owner £150k worth ish and small amount in the bank , not married long term g/f that i wanted to make sure gets the house if i croak

annsxman

295 posts

242 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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In that case as she is not a blood relative you definitely need a will to ensure she receives the assets when you die.

As for whether you should take a solicitor's advice, I suggest that the relatively small amount of expense involved - I'll guess at c.£100 - to give you certainty is worth it rather than spending next to nothing on an online will and worrying whether you done the job properly. If you do go the online route remember that your other half cannot witness the will as she is the beneficiary.

keslake

657 posts

206 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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I would also add that you should attach an accompanying letter stating your reasons why this person will be the sole beneficiary.

My late Mother did this on advice and my Solicitor stated that the aforementioned letter made it so much more difficult for anyone to contest.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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steveo3002 said:
im looking for a will but dont have alot of money to spend , all my stuff left to one person
What happens if that person dies the day before you? Or a month after you?

Is she on the deeds of the house?

V8forweekends

2,481 posts

124 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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I have never died so I can't tell yet.

Lurking Lawyer

4,534 posts

225 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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keslake said:
I would also add that you should attach an accompanying letter stating your reasons why this person will be the sole beneficiary.

My late Mother did this on advice and my Solicitor stated that the aforementioned letter made it so much more difficult for anyone to contest.
Potentially helpful - but only really an issue if there are blood relatives who might otherwise expect to inherit, but who are being "passed over" in favour of the girlfriend.

Even then, it doesn't prevent a challenge to the will on the basis that it fails to make provision for someone whom the deceased had "maintained". (A necessarily simplistic summary, but hopefully it conveys the general gist).

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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TooMany2cvs said:
steveo3002 said:
im looking for a will but dont have alot of money to spend , all my stuff left to one person
What happens if that person dies the day before you? Or a month after you?

Is she on the deeds of the house?
That eventuality is taken care of in the will as a matter of course.

Well worth getting a will drawn up by a specialist solicitor. Not expensive and should give peace of mind.

OP don't forget to change the will if you fall out with gf...........

Lurking Lawyer

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225 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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REALIST123 said:
Well worth getting a will drawn up by a specialist solicitor. Not expensive and should give peace of mind.
Sage advice. Shouldn't cost much more than £90-100 for a straightforward will.

I don't do wills and probate work, but I've done quite a bit of contested probate litigation to know that it's much easier and much MUCH cheaper just to get the will right first time rather than leave enough doubt for people to have to fight over it, with most of those costs likely to come out of the estate.

steveo3002

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10,515 posts

174 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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i dont have much of family to contest anything but okay on the letter

as for that person dying a day before me well whats the usual thing there then

if i die i wish to leave my stuff to xyz , if shes not around then the dogs home?

and yeah id remember to change it lol

grumpyscot

1,277 posts

192 months

Friday 30th January 2015
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Online wills are generally only suitable for England & Wales. They are not suitable for N Ireland or Scotland or if any part of the estate (i.e.property) is outwith England or Wales.

If property is involved in any way, use a lawyer!

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Friday 30th January 2015
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steveo3002 said:
as for that person dying a day before me well whats the usual thing there then

if i die i wish to leave my stuff to xyz , if shes not around then the dogs home?
Or whoever/whatever, yep, and similar for if you predecease her by a shortish amount. Let's say you're both in a car crash or house fire - and you kick the bucket just before her.

SkinnyPete

1,419 posts

149 months

Friday 30th January 2015
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This is a naive question but a fairly obvious one, why must you use a solicitor?

Whats wrong with "My name is Skinny Pete from Albuquerque, New Mexico, all my assets are to go to XYZ".

I just so happened to read over a friends a will recently, it was nothing a GCSE student couldn't knock up or at least at first glance.

Very happy to be enlightened because I have no will and really ought to.

Jon1967x

7,220 posts

124 months

Friday 30th January 2015
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steveo3002 said:
i dont have much of family to contest anything but okay on the letter

as for that person dying a day before me well whats the usual thing there then

if i die i wish to leave my stuff to xyz , if shes not around then the dogs home?

and yeah id remember to change it lol
It pretty much is just that, although it's usually stated along the lines of her having to out live you by 30 days or so. The reason is if you both die in a car crash for instance, then the one estate would inherit the others, and then distributed to her family if she's younger than you, or vice versa if you're the youngest. Your situation doesn't sound complex.

If it is the dogs home, feel free to leave it to me and I'll make sure they get it....

Edited by Jon1967x on Friday 30th January 18:49

LoonR1

26,988 posts

177 months

Friday 30th January 2015
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SkinnyPete said:
This is a naive question but a fairly obvious one, why must you use a solicitor?

Whats wrong with "My name is Skinny Pete from Albuquerque, New Mexico, all my assets are to go to XYZ".

I just so happened to read over a friends a will recently, it was nothing a GCSE student couldn't knock up or at least at first glance.

Very happy to be enlightened because I have no will and really ought to.
As has been said above, what happens if the person you want to give the stuff to dies before you, or just after? What about the liabilities? You've covered all the assets, but do they get them before the debts are paid?

Just get a will, it takes an hour tops and costs bugger all for most people.

aw51 121565

4,771 posts

233 months

Friday 30th January 2015
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Beggarall said:
... If you die intestate your kin will have a lot more difficulty getting probate ...
I recently applied for Grant of Representation for my late wife (who died intestate), and I am under the impression that it's no more difficult than applying for Grant of Probate as far as getting to the stage of receiving Grant of Administration/Probate (the stage I had to go to).

smile

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Friday 30th January 2015
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SkinnyPete said:
This is a naive question but a fairly obvious one, why must you use a solicitor?

Whats wrong with "My name is Skinny Pete from Albuquerque, New Mexico, all my assets are to go to XYZ".
You don't have to. You can DIY it, with as much or as little research as you think it warrants. 90%+ of the time, something as simple as that'll be just fine. It's the other 10% that makes that small amount worth spending...

Lurking Lawyer

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225 months

Friday 30th January 2015
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aw51 121565 said:
I recently applied for Grant of Representation for my late wife (who died intestate), and I am under the impression that it's no more difficult than applying for Grant of Probate as far as getting to the stage of receiving Grant of Administration/Probate (the stage I had to go to).
Procedurally, there's not much difference between obtaining a Grant of Probate (where there is a will) and Letters of Administration (where there is not).

Dying without a will need not necessarily make life any more difficult. It just means that the deceased does not control who gets what - the statutory Intestacy Rules do, and they may not necessarily accord with what the deceased would have wanted.