2014 Cricket World Cup - Official Thread
Discussion
Fishtigua said:
WHO the hell would scare a batsman?
No one.
We do miss a strike bowler of the Starc, Johnson, Steyn variety that can really put the fear into the batsman. Most sides have one, then the others give variety with pace, or spin which either take wickets, or creates scoreboard pressure. No one.
We go with Anderson, Broad, Woakes and Finn who all bowl short of a length around the 80-85 mph which is meat and drink to these batsman. Where are the Yorkers, slower balls, round the wicket, cutters. It's just the same dross thrown down. Look at Starc against NZ he was bowling 90mph Yorkers....nothing you can do about those. Can't Finn ramp it up speed wise and fire it in??
I would bring treadwell back into the side. Dedicated spinner who can actually tie down an end and create pressure. Just someone who can stop the flow of runs and bowl a decent line and length or have a plan to a batsman.
chimster said:
zygalski said:
300's a good score. If your bowlers turn up.
I think this misses the point. Depending on the track 300 simply is not enough these days with power hitters and bigger bats. Look at England yesterday. Scored 300 even with lazy batting in the middle overs. Oh and yes with our bowling on that wicket we needed at least 340. Decent track, excellent bowlers... 303 runs both sides in total.
It really doesn't matter how good the batsmen are if the bowlers can repeatedly put it in the right place.
England bowlers must be broken mentally. Sri Lanka just chased 300 runs with ease.
Pakistan finally register a first win, though nothing too much to boast about, but a win is a win.
1992 Pakistan and England met in the final, 2015 Pakistan and England probably meet each other at the airport...
Pakistan finally register a first win, though nothing too much to boast about, but a win is a win.
1992 Pakistan and England met in the final, 2015 Pakistan and England probably meet each other at the airport...
thegreenhell said:
SA just topped 400 for the second match in succession, with a highly entertaining bash against Ireland. It's hard to imagine the current England side doing that against any opposition.
There have been some huge scores, but the Aus / NZ game showed what top-class bowling can do. I want to see how SA score against either of them.I can see SA making 400 against the current England side, but not vice versa.
hornetrider said:
What a garbage format this tournament is. Over a week between England games!
To be honest more time may be exactly hat the doctor ordered. The ICC are looking at reducing the number of teams playing next world cup but I don't know if that means there will be more frequent matches.speedy_thrills said:
hornetrider said:
What a garbage format this tournament is. Over a week between England games!
To be honest more time may be exactly hat the doctor ordered. The ICC are looking at reducing the number of teams playing next world cup but I don't know if that means there will be more frequent matches.speedy_thrills said:
hornetrider said:
What a garbage format this tournament is. Over a week between England games!
To be honest more time may be exactly hat the doctor ordered. The ICC are looking at reducing the number of teams playing next world cup but I don't know if that means there will be more frequent matches.
AW111 said:
I wonder if Morgan still thinks 300 is a good score?
Not only did he think it was a good score - he thought it was 20-25 OVER par ...Have to put it in context though. 300 is a decent score if your bowlers can leave the opposition at 150-5 off 25 etc when chasing ... but England's bowlers are for the most, toothless on these flat tracks.
You have to take calculated risks depending on the score in the game ... and England haven't learnt how to do this. I don't expect the players to be able to work all this out - I expect the management to have a plan and a lot more modern one than they have now, which is take the first 10 overs and play a few shots if the ball is slightly wide - although I've never seen a batting team leave so many! - then knock it around in the middle overs, leaving Butler to come in for the last 10. It happens game after game. Vaughan is right - we don't think of changing the order round, keeping the opposition guessing etc.
When you see players like McCullum looking to come down the wicket and hit their FIRST ball for six you think - jesus, this game has changed out of all recognition and England don't play it (or even try to) ... we're naturally TOO circumspect.
If we don't beat the other minnows in the next two games - and it is not going to be easy, we'll deserve to be on the plane.
Hales HAS to play next Monday and I'd put Jordan in as well - can't do any worse - with instructions to keep the ball up.
Lost a wicket as I was typing.uk66fastback said:
AW111 said:
I wonder if Morgan still thinks 300 is a good score?
Not only did he think it was a good score - he thought it was 20-25 OVER par ...Have to put it in context though. 300 is a decent score if your bowlers can leave the opposition at 150-5 off 25 etc when chasing ... but England's bowlers are for the most, toothless on these flat tracks.
You have to take calculated risks depending on the score in the game ... and England haven't learnt how to do this. I don't expect the players to be able to work all this out - I expect the management to have a plan and a lot more modern one than they have now, which is take the first 10 overs and play a few shots if the ball is slightly wide - although I've never seen a batting team leave so many! - then knock it around in the middle overs, leaving Butler to come in for the last 10. It happens game after game. Vaughan is right - we don't think of changing the order round, keeping the opposition guessing etc.
When you see players like McCullum looking to come down the wicket and hit their FIRST ball for six you think - jesus, this game has changed out of all recognition and England don't play it (or even try to) ... we're naturally TOO circumspect.
If we don't beat the other minnows in the next two games - and it is not going to be easy, we'll deserve to be on the plane.
Hales HAS to play next Monday and I'd put Jordan in as well - can't do any worse - with instructions to keep the ball up.
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