981 Spyder - Speculation
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PorscheGT4 said:
J-P said:
i have email from OPC saying production not limited. Where are you getting your info from?
same place all my Correct GT4 info came from ;-pMost people inc every mag posted b
ks about the GT4.
Same about the Spyder, but I have no info on that car whatsoever bar numbers.
I was told electric roof, every one else says it,s still manual, time will tell I guess only 5 weeks to wait.
If some OPC are saying unlimited then you will see issue of unhappy people like the GT4 threads not getting cars after leaving deposits.
ks about the GT4.Same about the Spyder, but I have no info on that car whatsoever bar numbers.
I was told electric roof, every one else says it,s still manual, time will tell I guess only 5 weeks to wait.
If some OPC are saying unlimited then you will see issue of unhappy people like the GT4 threads not getting cars after leaving deposits.
PorscheGT4 said:
Most people inc every mag posted bks about the GT4.
Same about the Spyder, but I have no info on that car whatsoever bar numbers.
I was told electric roof, every one else says it,s still manual, time will tell I guess only 5 weeks to wait.
If some OPC are saying unlimited then you will see issue of unhappy people like the GT4 threads not getting cars after leaving deposits.
Actually I think you might be correct on the electric roof. If you look closely at the latest prototype photos you can see that there is door/flaps that open up at the rear attachment points (which also have the "Spyder" logo embossed into them), which makes me think it's a automated closure. I just hope that you still have the function to use the roof the two different options with and without the back weather protector. I love that option on my Spyder now.ks about the GT4.Same about the Spyder, but I have no info on that car whatsoever bar numbers.
I was told electric roof, every one else says it,s still manual, time will tell I guess only 5 weeks to wait.
If some OPC are saying unlimited then you will see issue of unhappy people like the GT4 threads not getting cars after leaving deposits.
Edited by Navanod on Tuesday 24th February 00:49
PorscheGT4 said:
Most people inc every mag posted bks about the GT4.
Same about the Spyder, but I have no info on that car whatsoever bar numbers.
I was told electric roof, every one else says it,s still manual, time will tell I guess only 5 weeks to wait.
If some OPC are saying unlimited then you will see issue of unhappy people like the GT4 threads not getting cars after leaving deposits.
Very true, if they are limited. I guess nobody really knows at this stage.ks about the GT4.Same about the Spyder, but I have no info on that car whatsoever bar numbers.
I was told electric roof, every one else says it,s still manual, time will tell I guess only 5 weeks to wait.
If some OPC are saying unlimited then you will see issue of unhappy people like the GT4 threads not getting cars after leaving deposits.
Navanod said:
Actually I think you might be correct on the electric roof. If you look closely at the latest prototype photos you can see that there is door/flaps that open up at the rear attachment points (which also have the "Spyder" logo embossed into them), which makes me think it's a automated closure. I just hope that you still have the function to use the roof the two different options with and without the back weather protector. I love that option on my Spyder now.
Thanks for the clearer picture. I couldn't make out the flap section clearly enough.Edited by Navanod on Tuesday 24th February 00:49
When I saw the flaps I thought they had gone down a manual route again, but it also seemed very different to how they were attached before to the rear deck. What still gets me is that there isn't a clear separate opening for the main roof to operate and the boot is separate. However.
There is clearly a section which opens separately to the main rear deck. I think it might work a bit like an Audi R8 Spyder. I'm guessing the rear deck will raise, hinging from the rear, the main roof section will go on and the rear flaps get pulled out also but are floppy. The rear deck closes again except for the sections with the flaps, which then tension up and the flaps close.
You look at the targa and see what an over engineered system they have come up with just so someone doesn't have to manually put a targa section in place!
But why bother with the flaps if the main section is electric? Looks?
Maybe... If ... But... Who knows.
If it is an electric system like that, one thing it doesn't scream is weight efficient.
The one thing everyone moans about is the roof on the 987 Spyder. Will porsche persist with the same solution when it may keep sales low again. I'm not sure the new Spyder will be a limited run so you'd think they would chase sales.
But then if the car looks better and there is little to no roof compromise, what will people think buying a less good looking boxster. Price will obviously be a factor..
LOL - I bet you have to get out of the car - undo the flaps on either side then get back in and press a button for electrical operation.
Absolutely pointless - but Porsche will spin it and say:
'it combines the everyday ease of the electrically operated roof, with the puristic and emotional experience of manual interaction with the roof. This equals more fun for those that are not necessarily chasing every second when it comes to open top motoring, and we have done this with a lightweight fabric top which has half the weight (and insulation) of the normal Boxster top'
Sounds like it came from Andreas Preuninger himself!.
(Yes, I know this is not a GT Programme car)
Absolutely pointless - but Porsche will spin it and say:
'it combines the everyday ease of the electrically operated roof, with the puristic and emotional experience of manual interaction with the roof. This equals more fun for those that are not necessarily chasing every second when it comes to open top motoring, and we have done this with a lightweight fabric top which has half the weight (and insulation) of the normal Boxster top'
Sounds like it came from Andreas Preuninger himself!.
(Yes, I know this is not a GT Programme car)
For what it's worth, I read that last picture differently. An earlier picture I have seen shows the "inboard side" of the flaps referred to. The line on the inboard sign looks more like a molding line rather than a panel gap to my eyes. This leads me to think that the "flaps" are a part of the main engine cover in the same way is the red loops are on the current Spyder and work in the same way with the hood "tails" being hooked over some form of "anchor" with tension again being applied by the closing of the hood. Also I think that the rear window is a more rigid plastic than on the current model which leads me to think that the second/smaller part of the hood is some form of solid moulding rather than canvas (perhaps breaking down into a number of easily stowable/assembled parts. I realy do not see how any of this could be electric - i stand as much chance of being right as any of you of course!
As an addendum - I just got back from a visit to the Stuttgart factory. Fascinating !! No sign of any prototype/development m ules but did see a nice collection of four 918's being loaded onto a transporter. I was also surprised at the number of GT3's going down the line - including one in Gulf Orange. Very spectacular but a bit loud for my taste. One "factoid" I picked up and of which I was not aware is that ony 911 and Boxster are built there. All Cayman production is now at a VW plant in Osnabruck . You learn something every day. Also, production is limited to 200 cars per day which is current maximum capacity as they work a 2 shift system and due to proximity of residential areas are not permitted to introduce a third (night) shift. Might explain why some models are indeed limited production !
As an addendum - I just got back from a visit to the Stuttgart factory. Fascinating !! No sign of any prototype/development m ules but did see a nice collection of four 918's being loaded onto a transporter. I was also surprised at the number of GT3's going down the line - including one in Gulf Orange. Very spectacular but a bit loud for my taste. One "factoid" I picked up and of which I was not aware is that ony 911 and Boxster are built there. All Cayman production is now at a VW plant in Osnabruck . You learn something every day. Also, production is limited to 200 cars per day which is current maximum capacity as they work a 2 shift system and due to proximity of residential areas are not permitted to introduce a third (night) shift. Might explain why some models are indeed limited production !
The roof will be interesting to see, on one hand there is no doubt Porsche can engineer something very clever with an electric/semi electric roof and do it fairly light, though I suspect if its rear deck lifting and R8/Targa type engineering it would come with maybe more weight than the standard roof? Or a more intuitive manual roof which can be folded in one piece without the need for disconnecting components from the car.
Cant wait to see it and even more excited to see the differences between the old and new... just wish I could afford to have both in the garage!
Cant wait to see it and even more excited to see the differences between the old and new... just wish I could afford to have both in the garage!
I am just intrigued to what solution they have for the new Spyder. I certainly didn't expect the solution they came up with for the new targa and the sheer over engineered route instead of a lightweight panel to slot into place.
The one thing that probably put off buyers of the 987 Spyder was the roof.. So would they put to market another one with exactly the same solution?
I like the idea of another manual roof, but all the talk has been of an electric one. But then there has been talk of no more power but weight saving.
I'm edging towards thinking this new roof is electric judging from the pics.
- The roof is far more structured than the 987 Spyder. The 987 had a support at the windscreen and then only the bar on the roll hoop. Supported by the tensioning wire and rear flaps. The pics of the 981 clearly show support around the windscreen, another just over the drivers head, but also to the rear of the roll hoops. From the rear of the roof to above the drivers head looks like one supporting panel. I don't think a manual roof would allow that.
- The rear window section looks much more solid than the 987. Potentially the window is solid glass which wouldn't support a manual version. It also looks far more integrated into the roof.
- The section where the flaps meet the rear deck is definitely separate to the main rear deck. The bit where the writing is, forms part of the smaller section and that groove is just a styling line. That whole section it's on though is separate. I don't think there are any more gaps which would allow the flaps to stay in place whilst that section opens and the whole roof goes down as one. So why would that be separate to the rear deck if manual roof and a similar solution to the 987?
- I think the rear flaps on these pics could virtually be a solid piece which locks into place and may offer some support to the roof but doesn't pull it tight like the 987. It's almost become a Spyder styling feature only.
- I think the following would happen to open the roof. The rear flaps lift out of place. The little sections lift up to the side. The rear deck now lifts up and back or up at an angle. The main roof then folds in. The flaps have either gone in first or go in during the main roof process. The rear deck then closes followed by the little sections.
A bit of a guess.... I can't wait to see. Will need to see reviews, prices and spec etc, but I still think the 987 Spyder will be staying in the garage. The GT4 though has really got me interested... Fortunately it's too expensive and not available!
The one thing that probably put off buyers of the 987 Spyder was the roof.. So would they put to market another one with exactly the same solution?
I like the idea of another manual roof, but all the talk has been of an electric one. But then there has been talk of no more power but weight saving.
I'm edging towards thinking this new roof is electric judging from the pics.
- The roof is far more structured than the 987 Spyder. The 987 had a support at the windscreen and then only the bar on the roll hoop. Supported by the tensioning wire and rear flaps. The pics of the 981 clearly show support around the windscreen, another just over the drivers head, but also to the rear of the roll hoops. From the rear of the roof to above the drivers head looks like one supporting panel. I don't think a manual roof would allow that.
- The rear window section looks much more solid than the 987. Potentially the window is solid glass which wouldn't support a manual version. It also looks far more integrated into the roof.
- The section where the flaps meet the rear deck is definitely separate to the main rear deck. The bit where the writing is, forms part of the smaller section and that groove is just a styling line. That whole section it's on though is separate. I don't think there are any more gaps which would allow the flaps to stay in place whilst that section opens and the whole roof goes down as one. So why would that be separate to the rear deck if manual roof and a similar solution to the 987?
- I think the rear flaps on these pics could virtually be a solid piece which locks into place and may offer some support to the roof but doesn't pull it tight like the 987. It's almost become a Spyder styling feature only.
- I think the following would happen to open the roof. The rear flaps lift out of place. The little sections lift up to the side. The rear deck now lifts up and back or up at an angle. The main roof then folds in. The flaps have either gone in first or go in during the main roof process. The rear deck then closes followed by the little sections.
A bit of a guess.... I can't wait to see. Will need to see reviews, prices and spec etc, but I still think the 987 Spyder will be staying in the garage. The GT4 though has really got me interested... Fortunately it's too expensive and not available!
I am interested if it's either 3.4 with a healthy 360hp or the GT4 engine also be nice if it came with the -20mm X73 sports suspension as standard and not the -30 mm pasm affair on the GT4! GT4 brakes.The front and rear pu and ducktail of GT4 would also be nice with out the low front end splitter plus the sports design wing mirrors!,sub 1300kg weight also.
If as above it may be a better proposition over the GT4 as a road car for occasional track use!
If it's just going to be bgts engine of 330hp not worth getting excited about IMHO
If as above it may be a better proposition over the GT4 as a road car for occasional track use!
If it's just going to be bgts engine of 330hp not worth getting excited about IMHO
2010spy said:
How do we know? Is there an article we have missed?
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