981 Spyder - Speculation
Discussion
It's hard to define "worth" especially before we know the final spec. Personally, a decision to change is more emotional than financial. Cars normally cost a lot of money through up front cost and depreciation . We are lucky with our Spyders which seem to be holding their price well. I guess in terms of performance per pound then the new car will not justify its cost to change but there is nothing like having a new Porsche in the garage is there. I' ve had my Spyder for just over 5 years and likely to be nearer 6 years if/when I take delivery. It' s done only 11000 miles and I still enjoy driving it immensely but I just feel like a change- but only for the right spec which for me means PDK..
EricE said:
I doubt they will sound as good as the current engines but since the EU will ban valved exhausts in 2016, all cars will be limited to a maximum of 71dB under any condition, so sound won't really matter anymore.
The 71db limit is for tyres.I can't see how any performance car could be limited to 71db under any condition - it'd be a disgusting travesty if that comes in!
Quiet cars are dangerous! Even the Fisker has a noise generator so it doesn't squish people who can't hear the f
king thing!Jim1556 said:
The 71db limit is for tyres.
I can't see how any performance car could be limited to 71db under any condition - it'd be a disgusting travesty if that comes in!
Quiet cars are dangerous! Even the Fisker has a noise generator so it doesn't squish people who can't hear the fking thing!
Here's an article (german but you should be able to translate it: http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz/standard/Schne...I can't see how any performance car could be limited to 71db under any condition - it'd be a disgusting travesty if that comes in!
Quiet cars are dangerous! Even the Fisker has a noise generator so it doesn't squish people who can't hear the f
king thing!And here's the direct link to the EU regulation 540/2014:
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML...
540/2014 said:
The new test method is considered to be representative for sound levels during normal traffic conditions, but it is less representative for sound levels under worst case conditions. Therefore, it is necessary to lay down in this Regulation additional sound emission provisions. Those provisions should establish preventive requirements intended to cover driving conditions of the vehicle in real traffic outside the type-approval driving cycle and to prevent cycle beating. Those driving conditions are environmentally relevant and it is important to ensure that the sound emission of a vehicle under street-driving conditions does not differ significantly from what can be expected from the type-approval test result for the specific vehicle.
ANNEX III shows the table with the various limits. From what I can tell sports cars built after 1 July 2016 will be limited: power to mass ratio > 200 kW/1 000 kg
number of seats = 4
R point of driver seat = 450 mm from the ground
75 dB(A)
In any case valve exhausts like the current ones "cheat" in the the type approval test using valves that stay closed during testing will be a thing of the past.
Why nobody (pistonheads? hello?) reports on this is a mystery to me. Sorry for going offtopic.
Edited by EricE on Tuesday 31st March 15:47
I stand corrected, thanks... 
As I said, it's disgusting!
Why aren't the motorsport fraternity clubbing together and appealing this?
Another nail in the coffin of sports cars, which to me should be a little (or a lot) shouty!
A GT3, AMG or AM V8 sound glorious at WOT, why, when it's a small percentage of cars should there be a ridiculous restriction on their noise?
Cars are as good and as safe as they are today mainly due to motorsport, a big part of which is the noise!... It'll be a sad day when the only noise option on a car is fking synthetic ste piped through the speakers!
Too many do gooding PC brigade tts in positions of power! 
As I said, it's disgusting!
Why aren't the motorsport fraternity clubbing together and appealing this?
Another nail in the coffin of sports cars, which to me should be a little (or a lot) shouty!
A GT3, AMG or AM V8 sound glorious at WOT, why, when it's a small percentage of cars should there be a ridiculous restriction on their noise?
Cars are as good and as safe as they are today mainly due to motorsport, a big part of which is the noise!... It'll be a sad day when the only noise option on a car is f
king synthetic ste piped through the speakers!Too many do gooding PC brigade t
ts in positions of power! anonymous said:
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I don't see this happening because it would be no different from a dealer selling you a GT3 type approved for 100 bhp and offering a simple software upgrade to unlock 450bhp+. I do believe that aftermarket exhausts will be a lot more popular than they are now, even though they will be technically illegal, I doubt the police will be able to enforce the 73 db(A) limit.
We can thank idiots like this for the new regulation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIR68JyQ24s
PS: 24h hours and we finally get to see the new Spyder. You can tell we are all tired of speculating about its engine/roof/etc.
anonymous said:
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Surely the legal mitigation for Porsche would be to get a customer to sign a disclaimer that the car is illegal to drive on a public road. The principle by offering the service would be for intended track use only where public road laws need not apply. Its a bit like running slick tyres or a straight through D-cat, not illegal for track, but run the car on the street, sure its illegal but then how often is this going to get checked (unless your making a write off insurance claim) http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/lightwe...
Looks bloody lovely.
Not sure why but I think this is more desirable than the GT4, despite the lack of bespoke suspension etc.
If only I had the coin..........
Looks bloody lovely.
Not sure why but I think this is more desirable than the GT4, despite the lack of bespoke suspension etc.
If only I had the coin..........
Finally here to end speculation..
I think it looks nice, an improvement over 981 boxster.
Nice having more power, bigger engine.
The roof... So it is electric then, as I could pretty much tell from the early pics (just operating slightly differently). I don't understand which elements are manual as they are describing it. Rear deck is automatic, roof lifts away by motor by the look of it.
Do you think the manual bit is just undoing or reattaching the flaps?
987 v 981 Spyder will probably spark debate. I don't automatically have a 'must have' latest Spyder feeling. I think the 987 is pretty and still something special.
Only just woken up and looked at the pics, so just my early views.
I think it looks nice, an improvement over 981 boxster.
Nice having more power, bigger engine.
The roof... So it is electric then, as I could pretty much tell from the early pics (just operating slightly differently). I don't understand which elements are manual as they are describing it. Rear deck is automatic, roof lifts away by motor by the look of it.
Do you think the manual bit is just undoing or reattaching the flaps?
987 v 981 Spyder will probably spark debate. I don't automatically have a 'must have' latest Spyder feeling. I think the 987 is pretty and still something special.
Only just woken up and looked at the pics, so just my early views.
DS240 said:
The roof... So it is electric then, as I could pretty much tell from the early pics (just operating slightly differently). I don't understand which elements are manual as they are describing it. Rear deck is automatic, roof lifts away by motor by the look of it.
Do you think the manual bit is just undoing or reattaching the flaps?
Not sure I agree, looks like you pop open the boot and fold the hood under it to me. You'll still need to get out of the car to do it but it'll be two easy steps. Great idea.Do you think the manual bit is just undoing or reattaching the flaps?
Porsche site has video up... Tons of pics.
Nice one with black wheels... That did make me 'want' a bit.
Okay, roof on their videos does look manual or cut to look more manual than what it is.
The bloke is physically folding it away rather than being all electric.
They don't show the full thing though.
Nice one with black wheels... That did make me 'want' a bit.
Okay, roof on their videos does look manual or cut to look more manual than what it is.
The bloke is physically folding it away rather than being all electric.
They don't show the full thing though.
anonymous said:
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[-]1235kg DIN if true... that would be immense considering it does have the GT4 engine in it. I'd be rather pissed if I had a GT4 on order.[-]1.315 kg DIN and 1.390 kg EG according to Porsche's site, so "only" 35kg lighter, despite having the smal 54L tank "trick" and aircon delete. I suspect it weights the same as a GT4 when you spec them the same.
I agree with your comments regarding the looks. The 981 design looks like a tarted up 981 GTS which is not a bad thing at all but it doesn't completely transform the looks like it happened with the 987.
(edited the comment after I found the real weight numbers, sorry if it causes confusion)
Edited by EricE on Wednesday 1st April 08:31
EricE said:
anonymous said:
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1235kg DIN if true... that would be immense considering it does have the GT4 engine in it. I'd be rather pissed if I had a GT4 on order.I agree with your comments regarding the looks. The 981 design looks like a tarted up 981 GTS which is not a bad thing at all but it doesn't completely transform the looks like it happened with the 987.
Edited by EricE on Wednesday 1st April 08:20
Jalopnik is quoting 2900lb in its story, which also equates to 1315kg.
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