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dingg said:
NRS
what rota do you have working for statoil?
I'm mostly onshore. However I've lost around 8.5% of my colleagues onshore in the last year, and am in with a chance of losing my job in the next 8.5% to go in the next 1.5 years that they've promised. Salary increase this year was below inflation. what rota do you have working for statoil?
Don't get me wrong, I would be complaining in a similar situation with the increase in work hours. Onshore they're getting rid of people instead so the others have to work harder. But I completely understand why it has happened and there's not much that can be done about it. How can costs have increased for effectively the same job by 300% in 10 years? One of the main reasons has to be the high oil prices meaning companies had extra money (profits) which got passed on into the supplier industry through bidding wars increasing the cost of things. Those increased profits thus got passed onto supplier workers (through extra benefits/ jobs created). Well, guess what, with the oil price dropping by over 50% then those 300% increases cannot be afforded, and so something has to go.
I suspect the Norwegian 2 weeks on/ 4 weeks off cannot be sustained into the future assuming there is no big changes in the oil price. And I don't see that happening for a while because of the new industry reality. Shale oil and gas is quick to turn on and off, so if the price goes up too much then production can increase and drive the price down quickly again. If it goes to low they stop drilling. Yeap, some of it is expensive but since it's a new technology prices are dropping a lot as technology develops and improves, not to mention the lower prices for onshore rigs due to drop in demand with the low oil price etc. That said Norwegians tend to take a long term approach so they may be willing to let some production decrease now and wait for prices to pick up in the future whenever they do so.
thanks for the reply mostly onshore says quite a bit tbh.
I bet your offshore Norwegian colleagues think the Brits are mental for accepting 3/3 rotas without a fight.
I work for a Norwegian co. too , my Norwegian counterparts can't believe what is being thrust upon the UK offshore workforce.
It would not happen in Norway where these same majors are not forcing ANY change to offshore rotas. (2/4 in the main)
For me its quite simple - most companies only started to give holidays and 2/3 rotas once there was a threat of the WTD being forced onto the offshore oilfield jobs - now that argument has been put to bed this is the first chance the majors have had to about turn on those terms and conditions and they have jumped on it en masse.
Whats next after 3/3?
4/4?
When should the workforce make a stand?
Personally I think the offshore workforce is a simplistic easy cut to make by those who pull the strings BUT making that cut doesn't actually save that much in the big scheme of things. The non profit making installations should be shut down , the likes of BP, SHELL, CONOCO etc have passed them onto Talisman , taqa ,CNR and the rest of second tier oil co's.
As soon as that happened the writing was on the wall for those employed on those installations.
We currently do about 40k a day on the installation I work on - some crew on 2/4 , the majority on 2/3 and we're one of BP's most profitable fields in the UK even at $40bbl - no doubt my co. will be under some pressure from the client to 'toe the line' - I can't see it happen yet - but when the contract is renegotiated - who knows?
Hopefully I can eke out the rest of my days on 2/3 BUT we end up 3/3 and thats me away back overseas on 4/4 with some sun on my back.
I bet your offshore Norwegian colleagues think the Brits are mental for accepting 3/3 rotas without a fight.
I work for a Norwegian co. too , my Norwegian counterparts can't believe what is being thrust upon the UK offshore workforce.
It would not happen in Norway where these same majors are not forcing ANY change to offshore rotas. (2/4 in the main)
For me its quite simple - most companies only started to give holidays and 2/3 rotas once there was a threat of the WTD being forced onto the offshore oilfield jobs - now that argument has been put to bed this is the first chance the majors have had to about turn on those terms and conditions and they have jumped on it en masse.
Whats next after 3/3?
4/4?
When should the workforce make a stand?
Personally I think the offshore workforce is a simplistic easy cut to make by those who pull the strings BUT making that cut doesn't actually save that much in the big scheme of things. The non profit making installations should be shut down , the likes of BP, SHELL, CONOCO etc have passed them onto Talisman , taqa ,CNR and the rest of second tier oil co's.
As soon as that happened the writing was on the wall for those employed on those installations.
We currently do about 40k a day on the installation I work on - some crew on 2/4 , the majority on 2/3 and we're one of BP's most profitable fields in the UK even at $40bbl - no doubt my co. will be under some pressure from the client to 'toe the line' - I can't see it happen yet - but when the contract is renegotiated - who knows?
Hopefully I can eke out the rest of my days on 2/3 BUT we end up 3/3 and thats me away back overseas on 4/4 with some sun on my back.
I could say exactly the same about people offshore. My job tends to show me a lot of the big picture and why things have to be cut.
Yes and no. Thing is you are arguing about them not changing it here in Norway. However what you're missing is the part of Statoil having got rid of at least 2 rig contracts in the last year (and some others have been stuck onshore as the money situation meant it was better to pay a percentage of the rig rate than the full cost of them drilling now) and so these won't be renewed when it comes time.
I was involved in the rig that was most recently not renewed. Really great rig, extremely quick, but unfortunately the crew are being laid off now as there was nothing to drill. So 6 shifts of people are now out of work on that rig alone. So yes, maybe the 2/4 is not changing at the moment but the amount of jobs available is much less. If people (and companies) took a cut it would support a lot more jobs, but no one is willing to do that so it means jobs go instead. It will balance out with time, but a lot of people and companies will have pain for a while in adapting.
The workforce should make a stand whenever they want. However they should be well aware of their position to negotiate and at the moment costs are far too high to sustain this with the current oil prices.
You're saying it's ok to close existing fields not making a profit - but that would then flood the market with people looking for similar jobs (which is happening now anyway). Companies would then offer much lower wages/ conditions than they do now as people would be willing to do the job for less just to keep a job. Companies will pay market rate. In the good time that increases costs a lot due to bidding wars. In bad times things need to be cut to be sustainable. If people aren't willing to make similar cuts then they're going to be booted out without a job as someone else who just lost their job is willing to work that 3/3.
Yes and no. Thing is you are arguing about them not changing it here in Norway. However what you're missing is the part of Statoil having got rid of at least 2 rig contracts in the last year (and some others have been stuck onshore as the money situation meant it was better to pay a percentage of the rig rate than the full cost of them drilling now) and so these won't be renewed when it comes time.
I was involved in the rig that was most recently not renewed. Really great rig, extremely quick, but unfortunately the crew are being laid off now as there was nothing to drill. So 6 shifts of people are now out of work on that rig alone. So yes, maybe the 2/4 is not changing at the moment but the amount of jobs available is much less. If people (and companies) took a cut it would support a lot more jobs, but no one is willing to do that so it means jobs go instead. It will balance out with time, but a lot of people and companies will have pain for a while in adapting.
The workforce should make a stand whenever they want. However they should be well aware of their position to negotiate and at the moment costs are far too high to sustain this with the current oil prices.
You're saying it's ok to close existing fields not making a profit - but that would then flood the market with people looking for similar jobs (which is happening now anyway). Companies would then offer much lower wages/ conditions than they do now as people would be willing to do the job for less just to keep a job. Companies will pay market rate. In the good time that increases costs a lot due to bidding wars. In bad times things need to be cut to be sustainable. If people aren't willing to make similar cuts then they're going to be booted out without a job as someone else who just lost their job is willing to work that 3/3.
Se7enheaven said:
Dean-k68wf said:
moan moan moan
Sounds like u need a change of career mate. Worked with wingeing gits like you offshore for over 25 years and your whining gets right on my wick.
Get a job at home if it's that bad.
Dean-k68wf, no one is forcing you to do this job.
Dry your eyes.
rossybee said:
Couldn't agree more.
Dean-k68wf, no one is forcing you to do this job.
Dry your eyes.
Errr, Actually YES, my mortgage provider is forcing me to do this job, I can't afford my mortgage without a job a f*****g bellend....Dean-k68wf, no one is forcing you to do this job.
Dry your eyes.
So much narrow-mindedness in this thread.
Again some utter drivel leaving peoples mouths.
People say....why dont u go onshore if its that bad? I've never once said it's unbearable. the fact is, the wages and the time off is what makes this job worth it. Which is why I do it. If it goes 3/3 I will certainly be looking for an ONshore Job. OR at least a job that offers more time off than at work.
Why do u all think that we don't deserve the same rights as yourselves? Why do u think YOU deserve MORE time off than us? Who says that largely the offshore workforce are 'mongs' and unqualified? Your SPEAKING OUT OF YOUR ARSE. Modern apprenticeships train to DEGREE LEVEL for just a tech role....shows what u actually know doesn't it? The older folk, fair enough, probably haven't had the same level of training and go off their experience....but thats the same with most old timers in their jobs. I bet theres more training involved with these types of jobs than 70% of jobs going.
AND DON'T BE SO F*****G NIAVE TO SAY 'OH YOU HAVE TO WORK 3/3 OR THE INDUSTRY WILL GO BUST'. ARE YOU REALLY THAT STUPID!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Do u really think that this is gonna be the make or break of a company!? REALLY?! Do you realise that 'making a loss' in most cases means 'MAKING LESS PROFIT THAN WHAT WAS FORECAST IN THE BUSINESS PLAN' .....THEY'RE STILL MAKING PROFIT.
This downturn in the oil price is just being used as an excuse to save even more money, shaft the workforce, and make yet EVEN MORE PROFIT.....when will people realise that these major companies ONLY CARE ABOUT PROFIT!!!!
I FEEL WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING, and definitely there are people worse off than me, i know that i'm not stupid. But it doesn't mean people shouldn't stand up for their rights.
IF EVERYONE BOWED DOWN TO EVERY COMPANIES DEMAND WE'D BE BACK INTO SLAVE LABOUR!
Edited by Dean-k68wf on Wednesday 1st July 19:38
Dean-k68wf said:
Errr, Actually YES, my mortgage provider is forcing me to do this job, I can't afford my mortgage without a job a f*****g bellend....
So much narrow-mindedness in this thread.
Again some utter drivel leaving peoples mouths.
People say....why dont u go onshore if its that bad? I've never once said it's unbearable. the fact is, the wages and the time off is what makes this job worth it. Which is why I do it. If it goes 3/3 I will certainly be looking for an offshore Job.
Why do u all think that we don't deserve the same rights as yourselves? Why do u think YOU deserve MORE time off than us? Who says that largely the offshore workforce are 'mongs' and unqualified? Your SPEAKING OUT OF YOUR ARSE. Modern apprenticeships train to DEGREE LEVEL for just a tech role....shows what u actually know doesn't it? The older folk, fair enough, probably haven't had the same level of training and go off their experience....but thats the same with most old timers in their jobs. I bet theres more training involved with these types of jobs than 70% of jobs going.
AND DON'T BE SO F*****G NIAVE TO SAY 'OH YOU HAVE TO WORK 3/3 OR THE INDUSTRY WILL GO BUST'. ARE YOU REALLY THAT STUPID!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Do u really think that this is gonna be the make or break of a company!? REALLY?! Do you realise that 'making a loss' in most cases means 'MAKING LESS PROFIT THAN WHAT WAS FORECAST IN THE BUSINESS PLAN' .....THEY'RE STILL MAKING PROFIT.
This downturn in the oil price is just being used as an excuse to save even more money, shaft the workforce, and make yet EVEN MORE PROFIT.....when will people realise that these major companies ONLY CARE ABOUT PROFIT!!!!
I FEEL WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING, and definitely there are people worse off than me, i know that i'm not stupid. But it doesn't mean people shouldn't stand up for their rights.
IF EVERYONE BOWED DOWN TO EVERY COMPANIES DEMAND WE'D BE BACK INTO SLAVE LABOUR!
So much narrow-mindedness in this thread.
Again some utter drivel leaving peoples mouths.
People say....why dont u go onshore if its that bad? I've never once said it's unbearable. the fact is, the wages and the time off is what makes this job worth it. Which is why I do it. If it goes 3/3 I will certainly be looking for an offshore Job.
Why do u all think that we don't deserve the same rights as yourselves? Why do u think YOU deserve MORE time off than us? Who says that largely the offshore workforce are 'mongs' and unqualified? Your SPEAKING OUT OF YOUR ARSE. Modern apprenticeships train to DEGREE LEVEL for just a tech role....shows what u actually know doesn't it? The older folk, fair enough, probably haven't had the same level of training and go off their experience....but thats the same with most old timers in their jobs. I bet theres more training involved with these types of jobs than 70% of jobs going.
AND DON'T BE SO F*****G NIAVE TO SAY 'OH YOU HAVE TO WORK 3/3 OR THE INDUSTRY WILL GO BUST'. ARE YOU REALLY THAT STUPID!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Do u really think that this is gonna be the make or break of a company!? REALLY?! Do you realise that 'making a loss' in most cases means 'MAKING LESS PROFIT THAN WHAT WAS FORECAST IN THE BUSINESS PLAN' .....THEY'RE STILL MAKING PROFIT.
This downturn in the oil price is just being used as an excuse to save even more money, shaft the workforce, and make yet EVEN MORE PROFIT.....when will people realise that these major companies ONLY CARE ABOUT PROFIT!!!!
I FEEL WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING, and definitely there are people worse off than me, i know that i'm not stupid. But it doesn't mean people shouldn't stand up for their rights.
IF EVERYONE BOWED DOWN TO EVERY COMPANIES DEMAND WE'D BE BACK INTO SLAVE LABOUR!
quoted for the next time I'm feeling a little down.Mike22233 said:
Exactly - and living up to their wage (big mortgage, cars, bikes) so stuck in the position with little choice. Hence the anger.
Hahaha, such a laughable comment. EVERYONE LIVES TO WITHIN THEIR MEANS. If you earned £80k a yr would u live in a 2 bed town house worth £60k and drive a P reg escort? NO, no you f
king wouldn't. Just sounds like a bitter, ahole comment to be quite honest.Mike22233 said:
DeanK68 - some decent points, I will give you that...some horrible ones too...typical angry offshore worker victim mentality. You really think all the office jobs are 37.5hrs on the nose?!
No they're not 37.5 hours on the nose, but neither are offshore jobs 2/3 on the nose.With 3/3 rota your already forced to be away from home more time than your actually AT HOME (how can u not see how this is utterly disgraceful???). The problem with 3/3 rota is it gets rid of 1 shift worth of workers....so any sickness/compassionate has to be filled with the people that are already doing equal time, not to mention days stuck offshore due to weather/technical issues. Your actually talking more like 190+ days per year on an oil rig....now i'm sorry BUT NOBODY WANTS TO DO THAT.....they do it because it pays well and gives adequate time off. ONLY REASON.
190days of my life every year spent on an oil rig.....think about it....it's not right regardless of what ANY OF YOU SAY.
The only people that are happy to do it are likely the money driven and selfish....I wouldn't expect my family to live without me for most of my working life. simple as that.
Dean-k68wf said:
No they're not 37.5 hours on the nose, but neither are offshore jobs 2/3 on the nose.
With 3/3 rota your already forced to be away from home more time than your actually AT HOME (how can u not see how this is utterly disgraceful???). The problem with 3/3 rota is it gets rid of 1 shift worth of workers....so any sickness/compassionate has to be filled with the people that are already doing equal time, not to mention days stuck offshore due to weather/technical issues. Your actually talking more like 190+ days per year on an oil rig....now i'm sorry BUT NOBODY WANTS TO DO THAT.....they do it because it pays well and gives adequate time off. ONLY REASON.
190days of my life every year spent on an oil rig.....think about it....it's not right regardless of what ANY OF YOU SAY.
The only people that are happy to do it are likely the money driven and selfish....I wouldn't expect my family to live without me for most of my working life. simple as that.
You have serious anger management issues, I would hate to be working alongside you or near anything you are working on. An accident waiting to happen, seriously need to calm yourself down my man.With 3/3 rota your already forced to be away from home more time than your actually AT HOME (how can u not see how this is utterly disgraceful???). The problem with 3/3 rota is it gets rid of 1 shift worth of workers....so any sickness/compassionate has to be filled with the people that are already doing equal time, not to mention days stuck offshore due to weather/technical issues. Your actually talking more like 190+ days per year on an oil rig....now i'm sorry BUT NOBODY WANTS TO DO THAT.....they do it because it pays well and gives adequate time off. ONLY REASON.
190days of my life every year spent on an oil rig.....think about it....it's not right regardless of what ANY OF YOU SAY.
The only people that are happy to do it are likely the money driven and selfish....I wouldn't expect my family to live without me for most of my working life. simple as that.
Dean-k68wf said:
rossybee said:
Couldn't agree more.
Dean-k68wf, no one is forcing you to do this job.
Dry your eyes.
Errr, Actually YES, my mortgage provider is forcing me to do this job, I can't afford my mortgage without a job a f*****g bellend....Dean-k68wf, no one is forcing you to do this job.
Dry your eyes.
So much narrow-mindedness in this thread.
Again some utter drivel leaving peoples mouths.
People say....why dont u go onshore if its that bad? I've never once said it's unbearable. the fact is, the wages and the time off is what makes this job worth it. Which is why I do it. If it goes 3/3 I will certainly be looking for an ONshore Job. OR at least a job that offers more time off than at work.
Why do u all think that we don't deserve the same rights as yourselves? Why do u think YOU deserve MORE time off than us? Who says that largely the offshore workforce are 'mongs' and unqualified? Your SPEAKING OUT OF YOUR ARSE. Modern apprenticeships train to DEGREE LEVEL for just a tech role....shows what u actually know doesn't it? The older folk, fair enough, probably haven't had the same level of training and go off their experience....but thats the same with most old timers in their jobs. I bet theres more training involved with these types of jobs than 70% of jobs going.
AND DON'T BE SO F*****G NIAVE TO SAY 'OH YOU HAVE TO WORK 3/3 OR THE INDUSTRY WILL GO BUST'. ARE YOU REALLY THAT STUPID!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Do u really think that this is gonna be the make or break of a company!? REALLY?! Do you realise that 'making a loss' in most cases means 'MAKING LESS PROFIT THAN WHAT WAS FORECAST IN THE BUSINESS PLAN' .....THEY'RE STILL MAKING PROFIT.
This downturn in the oil price is just being used as an excuse to save even more money, shaft the workforce, and make yet EVEN MORE PROFIT.....when will people realise that these major companies ONLY CARE ABOUT PROFIT!!!!
I FEEL WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING, and definitely there are people worse off than me, i know that i'm not stupid. But it doesn't mean people shouldn't stand up for their rights.
IF EVERYONE BOWED DOWN TO EVERY COMPANIES DEMAND WE'D BE BACK INTO SLAVE LABOUR!
Edited by Dean-k68wf on Wednesday 1st July 19:38
Your pension, ISA investments will be pushing for reduction in costs in the companies to ensure profits remain as high as possible.
Of course companies only care about profit, agree there has to be a balance and at the moment that balance for yourself is to agree to a 3 / 3 or look elsewhere.
Life sucks sometimes but you need to work at it and take the hard times or do something else.
I never had a 2/3 and worked many years offshore ad hoc and equal time, now working onshore doing a 37.5 hour week ( I wish) so your comment on onshore people having no clue and an easy life is way off the mark.
What rights are you going to stand up for, plenty out there who will work equal time to ensure they can provide for their family.
Count yourself lucky on the position you are in, get on with it or get out if it.
Dean-k68wf said:
rossybee said:
Couldn't agree more.
Dean-k68wf, no one is forcing you to do this job.
Dry your eyes.
Errr, Actually YES, my mortgage provider is forcing me to do this job, I can't afford my mortgage without a job a f*****g bellend....Dean-k68wf, no one is forcing you to do this job.
Dry your eyes.
So much narrow-mindedness in this thread.
Again some utter drivel leaving peoples mouths.
People say....why dont u go onshore if its that bad? I've never once said it's unbearable. the fact is, the wages and the time off is what makes this job worth it. Which is why I do it. If it goes 3/3 I will certainly be looking for an ONshore Job. OR at least a job that offers more time off than at work.
Why do u all think that we don't deserve the same rights as yourselves? Why do u think YOU deserve MORE time off than us? Who says that largely the offshore workforce are 'mongs' and unqualified? Your SPEAKING OUT OF YOUR ARSE. Modern apprenticeships train to DEGREE LEVEL for just a tech role....shows what u actually know doesn't it? The older folk, fair enough, probably haven't had the same level of training and go off their experience....but thats the same with most old timers in their jobs. I bet theres more training involved with these types of jobs than 70% of jobs going.
AND DON'T BE SO F*****G NIAVE TO SAY 'OH YOU HAVE TO WORK 3/3 OR THE INDUSTRY WILL GO BUST'. ARE YOU REALLY THAT STUPID!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Do u really think that this is gonna be the make or break of a company!? REALLY?! Do you realise that 'making a loss' in most cases means 'MAKING LESS PROFIT THAN WHAT WAS FORECAST IN THE BUSINESS PLAN' .....THEY'RE STILL MAKING PROFIT.
This downturn in the oil price is just being used as an excuse to save even more money, shaft the workforce, and make yet EVEN MORE PROFIT.....when will people realise that these major companies ONLY CARE ABOUT PROFIT!!!!
I FEEL WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING, and definitely there are people worse off than me, i know that i'm not stupid. But it doesn't mean people shouldn't stand up for their rights.
IF EVERYONE BOWED DOWN TO EVERY COMPANIES DEMAND WE'D BE BACK INTO SLAVE LABOUR!
Edited by Dean-k68wf on Wednesday 1st July 19:38
Your pension, ISA investments will be pushing for reduction in costs in the companies to ensure profits remain as high as possible.
Of course companies only care about profit, agree there has to be a balance and at the moment that balance for yourself is to agree to a 3 / 3 or look elsewhere.
Life sucks sometimes but you need to work at it and take the hard times or do something else.
I never had a 2/3 and worked many years offshore ad hoc and equal time, now working onshore doing a 37.5 hour week ( I wish) so your comment on onshore people having no clue and an easy life is way off the mark.
What rights are you going to stand up for, plenty out there who will work equal time to ensure they can provide for their family.
Count yourself lucky on the position you are in, get on with it or get out if it.
I could dream of 3/3, hell ill even do 4/4 and not even batter an eyelid, theres always someone worse of than you!! Albeit i dont work in the offshore industry as im in the Forces (RN). Last year i spent 12 weeks at home. the other remaining weeks of the year i was at Sea.... No internet, no sky, just a phone card with 30 mins a week on. Every day doing 8am-8pm... And im on call at any time.. So i could go to bed at 10pm, get shook to go fix a piece of kit, and be up through the night and morning. The longest ive been awake fixing a piece of kit is for 36 hours straight. Last year i spent 7 months away from my family in 1 stint.. The remainder was at sea doing trials, training, bullst exercises..... And to top it off the food was ste.. And thats not even on rockstar offshore wages, im on 40k / year. For every day at sea, i get £9 a day extra to be away at sea... Little compared to your industry. Im still looking to go offshore next year when i leave, i would take any rotation on a technical role without moaning like a sceptic tank, you just get on with it, keep your head down, and look forward to the next time your at home.
t exercises..... And to top it off the food was ste.. And thats not even on rockstar offshore wages, im on 40k / year. For every day at sea, i get £9 a day extra to be away at sea... Little compared to your industry. Im still looking to go offshore next year when i leave, i would take any rotation on a technical role without moaning like a sceptic tank, you just get on with it, keep your head down, and look forward to the next time your at home. I have anger management isssues!? And you've come up with this conclusion from reading a post on a forum, sorry but, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. What a load of rubbish!
You've never met me in person, who do you think you are!? I'm actually one of the easiest guys to get on with, I just feel VERY STRONGLY about not getting trampled on by the company you work for!!
Gazza I feel for you, Like i said, i know there are people worse off than me....i'm not stupid! What you have described there is living hell....and you'll even agree with that yourself by the sounds of it, you've even said it yourself, you're looking to move on and quite rightly so! What they're expecting of you is ridiculas and nobody should have to do it...but I will also say, you chose to go down that path.
The point I'm making is offshore workers chose to go down their path with a 2/3 rotation....a FAIR rotation. Now they want to take that away.
Because of 3/3 rotation, I think, will put huge strain on my family/relationship and I'mn guessing eventually i'll have to quit....technically you could say I would have been forced out of a job. I didn't sign up for 3/3 but now it's being pushed upon us and they think we should have to 'just deal with it'.
But yeh, according to you lot, we haven't got the right to see our family or have as much time off as you...total discrimination!
You've never met me in person, who do you think you are!? I'm actually one of the easiest guys to get on with, I just feel VERY STRONGLY about not getting trampled on by the company you work for!!
Gazza I feel for you, Like i said, i know there are people worse off than me....i'm not stupid! What you have described there is living hell....and you'll even agree with that yourself by the sounds of it, you've even said it yourself, you're looking to move on and quite rightly so! What they're expecting of you is ridiculas and nobody should have to do it...but I will also say, you chose to go down that path.
The point I'm making is offshore workers chose to go down their path with a 2/3 rotation....a FAIR rotation. Now they want to take that away.
Because of 3/3 rotation, I think, will put huge strain on my family/relationship and I'mn guessing eventually i'll have to quit....technically you could say I would have been forced out of a job. I didn't sign up for 3/3 but now it's being pushed upon us and they think we should have to 'just deal with it'.
But yeh, according to you lot, we haven't got the right to see our family or have as much time off as you...total discrimination!
Dean-k68wf said:
I have anger management isssues!? And you've come up with this conclusion from reading a post on a forum, sorry but, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. What a load of rubbish!
You've never met me in person, who do you think you are!? I'm actually one of the easiest guys to get on with, I just feel VERY STRONGLY about not getting trampled on by the company you work for!!
Gazza I feel for you, Like i said, i know there are people worse off than me....i'm not stupid! What you have described there is living hell....and you'll even agree with that yourself by the sounds of it, you've even said it yourself, you're looking to move on and quite rightly so! What they're expecting of you is ridiculas and nobody should have to do it...but I will also say, you chose to go down that path.
The point I'm making is offshore workers chose to go down their path with a 2/3 rotation....a FAIR rotation. Now they want to take that away.
Because of 3/3 rotation, I think, will put huge strain on my family/relationship and I'mn guessing eventually i'll have to quit....technically you could say I would have been forced out of a job. I didn't sign up for 3/3 but now it's being pushed upon us and they think we should have to 'just deal with it'.
But yeh, according to you lot, we haven't got the right to see our family or have as much time off as you...total discrimination!
Don't know where to start - but let's start with the last part of that slur.You've never met me in person, who do you think you are!? I'm actually one of the easiest guys to get on with, I just feel VERY STRONGLY about not getting trampled on by the company you work for!!
Gazza I feel for you, Like i said, i know there are people worse off than me....i'm not stupid! What you have described there is living hell....and you'll even agree with that yourself by the sounds of it, you've even said it yourself, you're looking to move on and quite rightly so! What they're expecting of you is ridiculas and nobody should have to do it...but I will also say, you chose to go down that path.
The point I'm making is offshore workers chose to go down their path with a 2/3 rotation....a FAIR rotation. Now they want to take that away.
Because of 3/3 rotation, I think, will put huge strain on my family/relationship and I'mn guessing eventually i'll have to quit....technically you could say I would have been forced out of a job. I didn't sign up for 3/3 but now it's being pushed upon us and they think we should have to 'just deal with it'.
But yeh, according to you lot, we haven't got the right to see our family or have as much time off as you...total discrimination!
You do know that a huge number of service and operator roles involve a significant proportion of travel? You know, the type where you don't see your family and you go from airport to office to hotel, maybe to site and repeat.
Having to interact with narrow minded people like you makes me very glad I am done with offshore North Sea a long time ago.
You tell gazza that he chose his path - like others have said - you chose yours, and if you know anything about oil you know it's volatile and subject to big changes following price falls. Take the good with the bad and since most offshore workers have degrees according to you - you are all very qualified and should easily find positions onshore....
Dean-k68wf said:
I have anger management isssues!? And you've come up with this conclusion from reading a post on a forum, sorry but, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. What a load of rubbish!
You've never met me in person, who do you think you are!? I'm actually one of the easiest guys to get on with, I just feel VERY STRONGLY about not getting trampled on by the company you work for!!
Gazza I feel for you, Like i said, i know there are people worse off than me....i'm not stupid! What you have described there is living hell....and you'll even agree with that yourself by the sounds of it, you've even said it yourself, you're looking to move on and quite rightly so! What they're expecting of you is ridiculas and nobody should have to do it...but I will also say, you chose to go down that path.
The point I'm making is offshore workers chose to go down their path with a 2/3 rotation....a FAIR rotation. Now they want to take that away.
Because of 3/3 rotation, I think, will put huge strain on my family/relationship and I'mn guessing eventually i'll have to quit....technically you could say I would have been forced out of a job. I didn't sign up for 3/3 but now it's being pushed upon us and they think we should have to 'just deal with it'.
But yeh, according to you lot, we haven't got the right to see our family or have as much time off as you...total discrimination!
Exactly what you have done, presumed all that work onshore work 37.5 hours a week, you don't know what people work and I can tell you some weeks and weekends a lot of time is taken up with when working onshore during operational periods. You have shown no respect to anyone and are away off the mark using onshore workers for your argument.You've never met me in person, who do you think you are!? I'm actually one of the easiest guys to get on with, I just feel VERY STRONGLY about not getting trampled on by the company you work for!!
Gazza I feel for you, Like i said, i know there are people worse off than me....i'm not stupid! What you have described there is living hell....and you'll even agree with that yourself by the sounds of it, you've even said it yourself, you're looking to move on and quite rightly so! What they're expecting of you is ridiculas and nobody should have to do it...but I will also say, you chose to go down that path.
The point I'm making is offshore workers chose to go down their path with a 2/3 rotation....a FAIR rotation. Now they want to take that away.
Because of 3/3 rotation, I think, will put huge strain on my family/relationship and I'mn guessing eventually i'll have to quit....technically you could say I would have been forced out of a job. I didn't sign up for 3/3 but now it's being pushed upon us and they think we should have to 'just deal with it'.
But yeh, according to you lot, we haven't got the right to see our family or have as much time off as you...total discrimination!
Your time off is what it is your time off, onshore your time off regularly can be taken up due to operational issues.
Just wondered why you needed the capital letters to get your point across, usually signs of some anger.
I understand your frustration but it's not as easy as you may think, suppose you have a choice but ranting on here is not doing anything bar getting you more frustrated.
If you feel so strongly pen a letter to your company tell them of your dissatisfaction and take it from there, I know what the answer will be.
Dean has made a few valid points to be fair although I will disagree with him on one point, the vast majority of folk working offshore are not educated, a fair good few wouldn't be able to tell you the square root of 9 if you asked them. Some are educated, most are not.
You ever talked to an offshore scaff or painter? .
I still do the odd trip offshore when I am forced to do (10-15 days a year) but now work onshore in what I regard is a better position with more time off and a similar salary. I work Mon-Thurs in Dyce, 07:00-16:30 and have Fri/Sat/Sun off every week. I am always out the door at 16:15-16:30 due to the hectic traffic in Dyce and never work extra so for those that say onshore folk do way more than 37.5hr weeks, nope, certainly not the case in my company. I'm mid-senior management level too and everyone has a relaxed attitude to timings. If something is urgent and needs addressing on my commute home via hands free or even at home, night, weekends, I get the time back plus double rate overtime. People that work more than their contracted hours for no extra pay are mugs in my opinion, they should not do it. Out of the year including my holiday entitlement, I am in the office 178 days per year and at home 187 days a year. (178 days x 9hrs = 1602hrs per year) - I guess if you take my 9.5hr day including my half hour lunch break then its (178 x 9.5hrs = 1691hrs) - Commuting wise, 45mins each day = 133hrs a year over 178 days.
When I worked offshore on a 3:3, I would do around 188 days a year on average with delays. I did not have a big commute but some others did, often arriving in Aberdeen the night before for an early check in after a 6hr train journey so offshore workers do not escape commuting times either. The time you leave your front door to the time you get in that rig is commuting time, it could be 24hrs or even more in some cases just to get there.
188 days at 12hrs = 2256hrs on shift, and then obviously the other 12hrs have to be accounted for too as you are still at work and restricted (+2256hrs)
When you sit down and look at the figures, offshore workers are literally spending more than half of their lives at work. When they do get home, a third or more of that is spent sleeping and the other 2/3 is their own free time to do as they please. Lets be honest, when you do get home for 2-3 weeks at a time, boredom soon kicks in, kids at school, missus at work, mates at work, there's a lot of time spent just waiting around watching shi*e on the box until the weekends and then you get a bit of a life with the kids, wife, friends.
You miss practically everything, Christmas, birthdays, weddings, funerals, stag parties, childrens plays, football games and presentations etc etc.
It took me nearly 7yrs to realise all that above, I was working offshore for the money and the time off but when I sat down and thought about it, there's far more to life than living to work, rather than working to live. I have to literally be forced now to spend any more hours offshore away from normality.
Saying all that, I was lucky that I was in the right place at the right time and found a great position onshore that offered that, some people have no choice based on where they come from and the opportunities that are on their doorsteps. I mean, where do you find a £50k salary in Middlesbrough when you don't even know the square root of 9
You ever talked to an offshore scaff or painter? .
I still do the odd trip offshore when I am forced to do (10-15 days a year) but now work onshore in what I regard is a better position with more time off and a similar salary. I work Mon-Thurs in Dyce, 07:00-16:30 and have Fri/Sat/Sun off every week. I am always out the door at 16:15-16:30 due to the hectic traffic in Dyce and never work extra so for those that say onshore folk do way more than 37.5hr weeks, nope, certainly not the case in my company. I'm mid-senior management level too and everyone has a relaxed attitude to timings. If something is urgent and needs addressing on my commute home via hands free or even at home, night, weekends, I get the time back plus double rate overtime. People that work more than their contracted hours for no extra pay are mugs in my opinion, they should not do it. Out of the year including my holiday entitlement, I am in the office 178 days per year and at home 187 days a year. (178 days x 9hrs = 1602hrs per year) - I guess if you take my 9.5hr day including my half hour lunch break then its (178 x 9.5hrs = 1691hrs) - Commuting wise, 45mins each day = 133hrs a year over 178 days.
When I worked offshore on a 3:3, I would do around 188 days a year on average with delays. I did not have a big commute but some others did, often arriving in Aberdeen the night before for an early check in after a 6hr train journey so offshore workers do not escape commuting times either. The time you leave your front door to the time you get in that rig is commuting time, it could be 24hrs or even more in some cases just to get there.
188 days at 12hrs = 2256hrs on shift, and then obviously the other 12hrs have to be accounted for too as you are still at work and restricted (+2256hrs)
When you sit down and look at the figures, offshore workers are literally spending more than half of their lives at work. When they do get home, a third or more of that is spent sleeping and the other 2/3 is their own free time to do as they please. Lets be honest, when you do get home for 2-3 weeks at a time, boredom soon kicks in, kids at school, missus at work, mates at work, there's a lot of time spent just waiting around watching shi*e on the box until the weekends and then you get a bit of a life with the kids, wife, friends.
You miss practically everything, Christmas, birthdays, weddings, funerals, stag parties, childrens plays, football games and presentations etc etc.
It took me nearly 7yrs to realise all that above, I was working offshore for the money and the time off but when I sat down and thought about it, there's far more to life than living to work, rather than working to live. I have to literally be forced now to spend any more hours offshore away from normality.
Saying all that, I was lucky that I was in the right place at the right time and found a great position onshore that offered that, some people have no choice based on where they come from and the opportunities that are on their doorsteps. I mean, where do you find a £50k salary in Middlesbrough when you don't even know the square root of 9
Edited by MitchyRS on Thursday 2nd July 09:53
Dean-k68wf said:
rossybee said:
Couldn't agree more.
Dean-k68wf, no one is forcing you to do this job.
Dry your eyes.
Errr, Actually YES, my mortgage provider is forcing me to do this job, I can't afford my mortgage without a job a f*****g bellend....Dean-k68wf, no one is forcing you to do this job.
Dry your eyes.
So much narrow-mindedness in this thread.
Again some utter drivel leaving peoples mouths.
People say....why dont u go onshore if its that bad? I've never once said it's unbearable. the fact is, the wages and the time off is what makes this job worth it. Which is why I do it. If it goes 3/3 I will certainly be looking for an ONshore Job. OR at least a job that offers more time off than at work.
Why do u all think that we don't deserve the same rights as yourselves? Why do u think YOU deserve MORE time off than us? Who says that largely the offshore workforce are 'mongs' and unqualified? Your SPEAKING OUT OF YOUR ARSE. Modern apprenticeships train to DEGREE LEVEL for just a tech role....shows what u actually know doesn't it? The older folk, fair enough, probably haven't had the same level of training and go off their experience....but thats the same with most old timers in their jobs. I bet theres more training involved with these types of jobs than 70% of jobs going.
AND DON'T BE SO F*****G NIAVE TO SAY 'OH YOU HAVE TO WORK 3/3 OR THE INDUSTRY WILL GO BUST'. ARE YOU REALLY THAT STUPID!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Do u really think that this is gonna be the make or break of a company!? REALLY?! Do you realise that 'making a loss' in most cases means 'MAKING LESS PROFIT THAN WHAT WAS FORECAST IN THE BUSINESS PLAN' .....THEY'RE STILL MAKING PROFIT.
This downturn in the oil price is just being used as an excuse to save even more money, shaft the workforce, and make yet EVEN MORE PROFIT.....when will people realise that these major companies ONLY CARE ABOUT PROFIT!!!!
I FEEL WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING, and definitely there are people worse off than me, i know that i'm not stupid. But it doesn't mean people shouldn't stand up for their rights.
IF EVERYONE BOWED DOWN TO EVERY COMPANIES DEMAND WE'D BE BACK INTO SLAVE LABOUR!
Edited by Dean-k68wf on Wednesday 1st July 19:38
Your mortgage provider is forcing you to do what? hahahahahaha
Did he twist your arm to sign on the line?
I'm guessing you're an adult with a spine so I reckon you had an option, unless the gun he had in your neck distorted your judgement.
Sell the house, buy a smaller abode, have a smaller mortgage, get a lesser paying job onshore, and be happier. Life really is too short mister
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