RE: Honda Civic Type R - more details

RE: Honda Civic Type R - more details

Wednesday 11th February 2015

Honda Civic Type R - more details

Proper aero package and impressive 167mph top speed should help with that much talked over 'ring lap



The morning headlines boasting 'Honda announces technical details of new Civic Type R!' should, in fairness, be prefixed 'some technical details'. Because this ain't the full tech spec or eagerly awaited - and promised - record breaking FWD 'ring lap time.

Proper aero should help that 'ring lap
Proper aero should help that 'ring lap
Instead a few more drip-fed details ahead of the Geneva debut, as if we haven't been kept waiting long enough already, mutter, grumble. Oh well, only another couple of weeks to go now.

Confirmed features include a 2.0-litre direct-injection VTEC Turbo (yo) engine, its power output not yet disclosed. We can see from the dash photo that it's redlined at 7K though; can it maintain the high-revving character we know and love from Type Rs of old? We'll have to see. "All the typical Honda attributes... these are characteristics that will remain intact," said project leader Hisayuki Yagi when we spoke with him about the car at the Paris show last September.

As per that Paris interview Honda continues to make big boasts about the new Type R's aero, claiming "exceptional high speed stability and high levels of downforce" as contributory factors in a pretty damned impressive top speed figure of 167mph, with the caveat this is subject to final homologation. Nonetheless, Honda describes this as "unrivalled amongst its front-wheel drive competitors", front-driven 'ring lap rivals like the SEAT Leon Cupra capped at 155mph by virtue of its German parent company and theMegane Trophy-R only slightly quicker at 158mph. This alone should increase Honda's confidence in being able to set that new FWD Nordschleife benchmark, long-stated as a development goal long before SEAT and Renaultsport went sub-eight.

Looks like a 7K redline for the VTEC Turbo
Looks like a 7K redline for the VTEC Turbo
Tyres played a big part in both of those lap times of course, Michelin's Pilot Sport Cup 2 used by both the SEAT and Renault. Honda has confirmed Brembo four-piston calipers and 350mm front discs within the wheels but not the rubber surrounding them, the teaser image of the wheel released today suspiciously bereft of manufacturer's logos on the tyre's sidewall.

No doubt to be revealed in due course. But meanwhile how relieved must Honda's engineers be that the Focus RS has been confirmed as four-wheel drive, and therefore not a direct threat to that ambition? Very, you'd think, though whether it'll matter in the showroom as much as it does in the Pistenklause will be the deciding factor. For sure the Focus will be on the same shopping list more many potential Type R customers, this assuming they haven't already been won over by proven contenders like the Golf GTI or R, Megane Trophy, Leon Cupra or more premium alternatives like the A45 AMG and Audi S3.

Suffice to say, against rivals like that the new Type R needs to make some noise. Noise that'll no doubt be increasing in the days leading up to that Geneva debut. Watch this space.


[Verbatim press release as issued by Honda, 11/2/2015]

DESIGNED TO PERFORM: SUPERIOR AERODYNAMICS FOR BRITISH BUILT ALL-NEW HONDA CIVIC TYPE R

  • 2.0 litre direct injection VTEC TURBO engine and aerodynamic performance deliver class-best top speed of 270km/h (167mph)*
  • Unique vents, grilles, spoilers and skirts contribute to enhanced downforce and minimised drag
  • All-new Honda Civic Type R in Championship White will make global debut at 2015 Geneva Motor Show

The all-new British built Honda Civic Type R - which will make its world premiere at the 2015 Geneva Motor Show - will feature a host of eye-catching design enhancements that have been heavily influenced by extensive aerodynamic development and testing, both on computer and in the wind tunnel. The result is a car with exceptional high speed stability and high levels of downforce.

The superior aerodynamic performance helps make the most of the Civic Type R's 2.0 litre direct injection VTEC TURBO engine, enabling the car to achieve a top speed of 270km/h (167mph)* unrivalled amongst its front wheel-drive competitors.

A new, almost completely flat underside aids airflow under the vehicle and combines with a rear diffuser to optimise downforce - effectively 'sucking' the car onto the road. A bespoke rear wing gives the car enhanced visual presence and delivers powerful additional downforce, thanks notably to the structure of its airfoil section.

A wide front splitter and deep side skirts also manage airflow and reduce lift, while the front bumper has been shaped specifically to inhibit air turbulence around the front wheels, cutting drag and enhancing high-speed stability.

To help the driver manage the Type R's prodigious power, the car is equipped with a high performance Brembo brake package, developed specifically for the car. At the front, four-piston calipers apply braking force to 350 mm drilled discs. New 19-inch alloy wheels, unique to the Type R, complement the visual changes, filling the wheel arches and accommodating the larger brakes.

Heat management was another major focus for the design team, influencing several prominent external design modifications. Enlarged upper and lower grilles in the front bumper, vents above the wheels on the front quarter panels and vents at the trailing edges of the front wheel arches combine to provide greater cooling and ventilation for the high-output engine.

Leon Brannan, Head of Car, Honda (UK) said "We've already seen huge customer interest for this much anticipated and unique car with over 100 orders already in the bank. With the release of these new technical details I think we can expect many more."

The Civic Type R will be unveiled at Geneva Motor Show in Championship White - a colour shared with successive generations of iconic Type R vehicles.

Honda can be found at stand 4250 in Hall 4 at the 85th Geneva Motor Show (3 - 15 March)[Ends].

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Johnny

Original Poster:

9,652 posts

284 months

Wednesday 11th February 2015
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The more I see the more I want.

Now show us the back end.

zeppelin101

724 posts

192 months

Wednesday 11th February 2015
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My favourite bit:

"To help the driver manage the Type R's prodigious power"

Any use of prodigious goes down well in a press release for hyperbole.

gordlaing

11 posts

114 months

Wednesday 11th February 2015
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Or..... the BMW M135i?

greggy50

6,168 posts

191 months

Wednesday 11th February 2015
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Don't get boast about the top speed I am sure FWD cars like the Leon 280 and the Astra VXR would do 160+ if it was for the limiters...

Personally think this car will be a let down seeing as the build up has been so long and to be honest a new meganne will be due in the next 18 months or so which will most likely demolish this on track anyway!

thatdude

2,655 posts

127 months

Wednesday 11th February 2015
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If I get a permanent job...I might buy one of these brand new.

Of course I'll have to pay it on finance

But....

...worth it, maybe

Terminator X

15,058 posts

204 months

Wednesday 11th February 2015
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You just know this will be good! 7k rev limit a tad disappointing though given that we used to own a DC2 and DC5 ITR frown

TX.

Edit - rear detail left out from pics? They must keep that "devil" rear end!

Frimley111R

15,646 posts

234 months

Wednesday 11th February 2015
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gordlaing said:
Or..... the BMW M135i?
This is much more hardcore and doesn't look like any other diesel variant.

Calza

1,994 posts

115 months

Wednesday 11th February 2015
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Very disappointed at the 7k redline, Get another 1k on that please!

LukeR94

2,218 posts

141 months

Wednesday 11th February 2015
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God Honda are a tease...

JUST SHOW US THE REAR LIGHTS!


By the time, this is released and is 3-4 years old, I will have started and finished University, this could be the perfect graduation present wink


(Please sell very well and then deprieciate like a stone please)

chrisABP

1,112 posts

148 months

Wednesday 11th February 2015
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Looking closely at the tyres in the images they are labelled Continental and the size can be seen as 235/35x19

Doubt Honda would fit the superb Michelin Cup 2's for road use as very compromised in wet or cold weather but think it would need them for the lap-time. Maybe an option tyre...

unsprung

5,467 posts

124 months

Wednesday 11th February 2015
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If there's any car that could be splashed with all sorts of modern art (like the BMW art cars of the 70s and 80s), it's this one. Would be fun.

rob.e

2,861 posts

278 months

Wednesday 11th February 2015
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chrisABP said:
Looking closely at the tyres in the images they are labelled Continental and the size can be seen as 235/35x19

Doubt Honda would fit the superb Michelin Cup 2's for road use as very compromised in wet or cold weather but think it would need them for the lap-time. Maybe an option tyre...
yep, its what SEAT did.. fit super-sticky tyres for the lap and make them available as an expensive option that they know no-one will ever order.



Although i love type-Rs, i have to say that the long drawn out gestation of this iteration has been painful, and i fear that many of the target demographic may simply get bored of teasers and press- release hyperbole and just buy a cupra, or a golf R, or a 135i, or a 235i, or a focus RS, or a notimpreza etc etc..

DanielSan

18,786 posts

167 months

Wednesday 11th February 2015
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Please let Championship White be on the colour list!

HannsG

3,045 posts

134 months

Wednesday 11th February 2015
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Is this the version with a dual fking exhaust?

Ridiculous

davidcharles

400 posts

194 months

Wednesday 11th February 2015
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and the other big elepephant in the room, price....anything over £30k is going to make alot of people cough and splutter

cava

160 posts

159 months

Wednesday 11th February 2015
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I like Hondas but the build up of hype for this car has been dragging on for years now. And unless it is truly amazing, it isn't going to live up to all that hype. And in typical Japanese fashion, the production car will look nothing like the concept cars. I mean look at that front spoiler - it looks nothing like what was on the concept. If it has the devil rear lights I'll eat my S2000.

DanielSan

18,786 posts

167 months

Wednesday 11th February 2015
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cava said:
I like Hondas but the build up of hype for this car has been dragging on for years now. And unless it is truly amazing, it isn't going to live up to all that hype. And in typical Japanese fashion, the production car will look nothing like the concept cars. I mean look at that front spoiler - it looks nothing like what was on the concept. If it has the devil rear lights I'll eat my S2000.
Yes, Honda have never followed up with cars that look like the concept, apart from the FN2 Type R, and the new NSX just to name 2 of the most recent. Or indeed the s2000 concept...

greggy50

6,168 posts

191 months

Wednesday 11th February 2015
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davidcharles said:
and the other big elepephant in the room, price....anything over £30k is going to make alot of people cough and splutter
To be honest can get a Golf R 3Dr with discount for £26,500 new and the Leon 280 for £24k

This needs to be sub £27.5k to make sense really as don't think it can compete with something like a Golf R/M135i as just a FWD hatch and not 4WD or the premium badge.

Can get the Focus ST for £20k near enough with discount and can't see this being £10k more car at all.

Crusoe

4,068 posts

231 months

Wednesday 11th February 2015
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If you take the previous civic type R with a top speed of 141 for 200ish bhp you would need about 335bhp to make it go 167 mph. Going to need at least 300bhp I would think unless it is very low drag.

knebworth01

162 posts

120 months

Wednesday 11th February 2015
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Sub £30k would be the right price for this car, if you're a Honda fan (which I am), it doesnt really have much competition:

• VAG Products - Yawwwwwnn. Pass me another body shell for that floorpan please Fritz..
• Renault - Good dynamics, rubbish quality.
• BMW M135i - Loads of power in a squishy chassis and looks like a converse boot.
• A Class AMG - Lovely motor, but in a different price bracket.
• Focus ST - Much the same as the Renault, only for people that wont buy a French motor.

If you want one of these nothing else will do.