Can we talk about Sweden for a bit?

[Looket]

Finlandia said:

You have a point there, and definitely on the quoted bit.
Was that the plan from the very beginning, or was it something that grew in his mind as the axe was swaying from the leftist camps, remember the difficulties to form a government and appoint ministers during the first period. Later on the local councils (the left leaning ones) did everything they could to hinder and mess up the new legislations brought in.

Who knows, but the insanity seemed to definitely kick up a gear after he went to bed with the Green Party. But by then, a lot of the groundwork in the form of lower taxes was already done. Back in the very early Alliance days I used to think that his goal was to slowly and democratically bring the country as close as possible in line with the ideals of his youth. Either that was never the plan, or something burst along the way and the realisation that it would never be possible via general election hit him like a tonne of bricks and so we are where we are. Or he was just a reasonably well-spoken village idiot whose actions lead to completely accidental yet suspiciously comfortable (for him) consequences.

[Finlandia]

It certainly was an odd partnership.

[Finlandia]

And here we go again, the two biggest actors in Swedish news media showing the full force of the divided opinions.

The level (the volume of refugees/immigrants) can not be taboo in the refugee debate, vs. Scrap debate on volumes - now.

http://www.aftonbladet.se/ledare/ledarkronika/ande...
http://www.expressen.se/ledare/anna-dahlberg/nivan...

[Halb]

Is there a translate button?

[ChemicalChaos]

Looket said:

permanently and irreversibly overwhelm the welfare system by using the leftist rhetoric against itself. Done.

How on earth would you achieve that?

[hidetheelephants]

ChemicalChaos said:

Looket said:

permanently and irreversibly overwhelm the welfare system by using the leftist rhetoric against itself. Done.

How on earth would you achieve that?

He means giving them enough rope to hang themselves with; allow unfettered access to the piggy bank and demonstrate that hosing down the welfare state with money like New Labour did is not a sustainable plan and gives a poor return on investment.

[ChemicalChaos]

hidetheelephants said:

ChemicalChaos said:

Looket said:

permanently and irreversibly overwhelm the welfare system by using the leftist rhetoric against itself. Done.

How on earth would you achieve that?

He means giving them enough rope to hang themselves with; allow unfettered access to the piggy bank and demonstrate that hosing down the welfare state with money like New Labour did is not a sustainable plan and gives a poor return on investment.

Just like Labour did... and yet STILL there's so many people that believe its the right solution! Unfortunately, they wont believe they are in the wrong, they'll still believe it everyone elses fault

[Finlandia]

On news right now, state funded arbetsförmedlingens etableringslotsar för nyanlända, jobcentre coaches for newly arrived, have been trying to recruit people to IS.

Quite astonishing really.

[ChemicalChaos]

Finlandia said:

On news right now, state funded arbetsförmedlingens etableringslotsar för nyanlända, jobcentre coaches for newly arrived, have been trying to recruit people to IS.

Quite astonishing really.

And yet I bet the very same people come out with these sorts of things:

[MikeT66]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31831601

Can anyone shed any light on this piece of news? I wasn't even aware of any 'defence co-operation'.

[Finlandia]

Sweden is selling defence and surveillance systems to Saudi, these systems are then used to oppress the people and women in particular, this has been criticised massively in Sweden for a long time.

[Looket]

So in the past six months the new government has managed to ps off Israel, the Russians and pretty much the entire Muslim community. Diplomatic relations are at an all-time low.

Quite an achievement, actually. Only 3.5 years to go.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

I have had a few days in Stockholm this week, have not been there in 12 or so months. A lovely city, but the number of beggars out on the street, sleeping rough was remarkable. It must be a new phenomena, because I do not remember them being there on my last trip. What is going on ?

[JB!]

Holy crap:

http://10news.dk/malmo-sweden-after-36-bombs-in-20...

http://cphpost.dk/news/bomb-attack-and-shooting-la...

Thats mental.

Edited by JB! on Wednesday 11th March 14:29

[BrabusMog]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

I have had a few days in Stockholm this week, have not been there in 12 or so months. A lovely city, but the number of beggars out on the street, sleeping rough was remarkable. It must be a new phenomena, because I do not remember them being there on my last trip. What is going on ?

they are everywhere nowadays, outside most supermarkets and Systembolaget. Even in really small towns like Lilla Edet.

[Looket]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

I have had a few days in Stockholm this week, have not been there in 12 or so months. A lovely city, but the number of beggars out on the street, sleeping rough was remarkable. It must be a new phenomena, because I do not remember them being there on my last trip. What is going on ?

'EU-migrants'.

JB! said:

Holy crap:

http://10news.dk/malmo-sweden-after-36-bombs-in-20...

http://cphpost.dk/news/bomb-attack-and-shooting-la...

Thats mental.

Edited by JB! on Wednesday 11th March 14:29

I've said it before but I'll say it again - Malmö is the official bomb capital of Europe.

Funnily enough it is also the spiritual home of lentil-munching Guardianistas. As a city it's a 30-year old social experiment in all things 'progressive' and socialist. Incidentally it also runs a £400m annual budget deficit.

[BrabusMog]

Looket said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

I have had a few days in Stockholm this week, have not been there in 12 or so months. A lovely city, but the number of beggars out on the street, sleeping rough was remarkable. It must be a new phenomena, because I do not remember them being there on my last trip. What is going on ?

'EU-migrants'.

JB! said:

Holy crap:

http://10news.dk/malmo-sweden-after-36-bombs-in-20...

http://cphpost.dk/news/bomb-attack-and-shooting-la...

Thats mental.

Edited by JB! on Wednesday 11th March 14:29

I've said it before but I'll say it again - Malmö is the official bomb capital of Europe.

Funnily enough it is also the spiritual home of lentil-munching Guardianistas. As a city it's a 30-year old social experiment in all things 'progressive' and socialist. Incidentally it also runs a £400m annual budget deficit.

It is better than Stockholm for clothes shopping, that's about the only good thing I can say

[JB!]

Looket said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

I have had a few days in Stockholm this week, have not been there in 12 or so months. A lovely city, but the number of beggars out on the street, sleeping rough was remarkable. It must be a new phenomena, because I do not remember them being there on my last trip. What is going on ?

'EU-migrants'.

JB! said:

Holy crap:

http://10news.dk/malmo-sweden-after-36-bombs-in-20...

http://cphpost.dk/news/bomb-attack-and-shooting-la...

Thats mental.

Edited by JB! on Wednesday 11th March 14:29

I've said it before but I'll say it again - Malmö is the official bomb capital of Europe.

Funnily enough it is also the spiritual home of lentil-munching Guardianistas. As a city it's a 30-year old social experiment in all things 'progressive' and socialist. Incidentally it also runs a £400m annual budget deficit.

Bonkers.

I wonder what the stats are like vs London for British born vs Immigrants, and Swedish born vs Immigrants, as I'm sure London must be over the 40% quoted, yet its pretty bomb free...

[Finlandia]

JB! said:

Bonkers.

I wonder what the stats are like vs London for British born vs Immigrants, and Swedish born vs Immigrants, as I'm sure London must be over the 40% quoted, yet its pretty bomb free...

Luckily we only have two or three cars torched per night in my town, and the police say they can't do anything about it...

[Randy Winkman]

BrabusMog said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

I have had a few days in Stockholm this week, have not been there in 12 or so months. A lovely city, but the number of beggars out on the street, sleeping rough was remarkable. It must be a new phenomena, because I do not remember them being there on my last trip. What is going on ?

they are everywhere nowadays, outside most supermarkets and Systembolaget. Even in really small towns like Lilla Edet.

London's changed in the same way since about 2008 though.