Using a vacuum pump to change the oil.

Using a vacuum pump to change the oil.

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Northernchimp

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1,282 posts

132 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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Apologies, not the most exciting topic ever, but are there any major downsides to doing this vs. dropping it in the conventional manner?

Is the sump plug a consumable part, or as long as I'm getting all the dirty old oil out, does it not really matter?

SuperchargedVR6

3,138 posts

220 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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They don't suck all the dregs out from the bottom of the sump, otherwise they're OK for a quick and dirty interim oil change I guess.

motco

15,940 posts

246 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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As VR6 says. IMO If it's that or no oil change then no contest, but a rapidly drained (via drain plug) sump of hot oil will take more detritus out with it than a pump I would think.

buzzer

3,543 posts

240 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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They are OK, better to use one and change 95% of the oil, than not change it at all. Some cars now are a real pain to change with under trays in the way.

Lidl have one for sale, battery powered for £11.99 with a 3 year warranty...


http://www.lidl.co.uk/en/our-offers-2491.htm?actio...


Rickyy

6,618 posts

219 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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I believe one PH'er lost a bit of tubing down the dipstick sleeve doing this. So be careful!



littleredrooster

5,537 posts

196 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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I've used one almost exactly like that for the past five years or so. Great idea (from the boating fraternity originally) which makes oil changes easy-peasy.

At that price, I may get a spare one just to keep.

liner33

10,690 posts

202 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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You dont get all the dregs out by using the sump plug either, i use the pela/sealey one

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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You get a lot of guesswork / ill informed statements that there will be stuff left or it won't get out the bits. Prompted by someone on here doing the same thing I have actually tried extracting via dipstick (hot oil from a recently running engine cuts the time it takes dramatically) and then taking the sump plug out when it's done. About a tablespoon, maybe 1.5 tablespoons trickled out.

If there are any "bits" of any sort in the sump the oil filter will catch them in the course of normal operation. They use this exact same method to change the oil on small marine engines and they go on forever. On a car with the filter accessible from the top it makes a complete oil and filter change a 15-20 minute mess free job, providing you don't spill any on your shoes when you're emptying the used oil down the drain.

Rickyy

6,618 posts

219 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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dme123 said:
You get a lot of guesswork / ill informed statements that there will be stuff left or it won't get out the bits. Prompted by someone on here doing the same thing I have actually tried extracting via dipstick (hot oil from a recently running engine cuts the time it takes dramatically) and then taking the sump plug out when it's done. About a tablespoon, maybe 1.5 tablespoons trickled out.

If there are any "bits" of any sort in the sump the oil filter will catch them in the course of normal operation. They use this exact same method to change the oil on small marine engines and they go on forever. On a car with the filter accessible from the top it makes a complete oil and filter change a 15-20 minute mess free job, providing you don't spill any on your shoes when you're emptying the used oil down the drain.
Not with that Lidl one it won't be! 0.2L/minute! That's over 20 minutes just sucking out the oil on a normal 4 cylinder engine! Although, with an electric pump you reduce the risk of mess by putting the outlet tube straight into the drain...... hehe

liner33

10,690 posts

202 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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dme123 said:
You get a lot of guesswork / ill informed statements that there will be stuff left or it won't get out the bits. Prompted by someone on here doing the same thing I have actually tried extracting via dipstick (hot oil from a recently running engine cuts the time it takes dramatically) and then taking the sump plug out when it's done. About a tablespoon, maybe 1.5 tablespoons trickled out.

If there are any "bits" of any sort in the sump the oil filter will catch them in the course of normal operation. They use this exact same method to change the oil on small marine engines and they go on forever. On a car with the filter accessible from the top it makes a complete oil and filter change a 15-20 minute mess free job, providing you don't spill any on your shoes when you're emptying the used oil down the drain.
Yep my experience as well, plus you can suck the oil out at a higher temperature than you may be comfortable risking getting all over your hands etc

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

255 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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liner33 said:
You dont get all the dregs out by using the sump plug either, i use the pela/sealey one
Exactly thumbup On my previous car I could actually get more oil out using the Pela in my driveway than I could with the sump plug.

TurboHatchback

4,159 posts

153 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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I've got a hand pumped one and I think it's great. As mentioned already, if the oil filter is accessible from above it makes an oil change a 15 minute job with no jacks, stands, spanners etc required and it gets as much oil out as the sump plug does.

Sump

5,484 posts

167 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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People go on about this stuff at the bottom of the sump. Last time I removed a sump I didn't see anything like that confused

Sounds like some BS someone came up with one day on the internet and it's just spiralled from there.

andy-xr

13,204 posts

204 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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I've never seen any bad oil somewhere either, I think really whatevers left just dilutes and then when the next change happens it all gets sucked out.

Besides, the sump nut way tends to leave st dripping as well. There's no complete 100% way while the engine's in and operational.

Northernchimp

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1,282 posts

132 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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Thanks. I used a hand operated pump earlier, looks a bit like a bong. Took longer to take the engine cover off than it did to change the oil and filter. We're talking 5k changes on a rattly old diesel so not risking much, and it worked really well. Just feels a bit like I'm cheating and the plug will eventually perish and fall out.

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

167 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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We have one on a diesel engined pump and it's chuffin' marvelous.

mon the fish

1,415 posts

148 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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What model of Pela are people using?

Drive Blind

5,091 posts

177 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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Pela 6000 user here

last 2 cars have been VAG TDi's. Oil change is now a 15-20 min job with no faffing about with ramps, jacks or undertrays.

DrDoofenshmirtz

15,217 posts

200 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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I think it depends on the car really.
If you need to get under it to unscrew the oil filter, then you may as well remove the drain plug while you're there.
If the oil filter is easily accessible, and the drain plug is hidden above a plastic sump guard, then a pump is an ideal solution.


Edited by DrDoofenshmirtz on Thursday 19th February 20:28

RedAlfa

476 posts

184 months

Monday 16th February 2015
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dme123 said:
.... when you're emptying the used oil down the drain.
I hope you don't pour used engine oil down the drain. Used engine oil is highly carcinogenic.... long term exposure or ingestion can cause cancer frown