The problem with Islam.

[Cheese Mechanic]

p1stonhead said:

You think one book is sufficient to cite as the basis of such extreme views and numbers?

Presumably if the book is wrong, you know the facts that prove such?

Plus of course, whats said , rings big bells. Inconvenient to you is it?

[blindswelledrat]

Cheese Mechanic said:

p1stonhead said:

You think one book is sufficient to cite as the basis of such extreme views and numbers?

Presumably if the book is wrong, you know the facts that prove such?

Plus of course, whats said , rings big bells. Inconvenient to you is it?

Well, to start with in the 'article' you posted there aren't actually any facts to disprove. JUst rhetoric. But don't let that get in the way of your hatred and fear, as that is clearly all the proof you need.
I could dismantle the stupidity bit by bit, but I cant be arsed because it would take too much time for the benefit of someonw who will completely ignore it because what I type doesn't fit into their hatred pigeonhole.

It is a shame that people like you need such hard 'facts' to prove that muslims are actually okay on the whole and yet you so readily accept such st to 'prove' that they are a problem.

[p1stonhead]

blindswelledrat said:

Cheese Mechanic said:

p1stonhead said:

You think one book is sufficient to cite as the basis of such extreme views and numbers?

Presumably if the book is wrong, you know the facts that prove such?

Plus of course, whats said , rings big bells. Inconvenient to you is it?

Well, to start with in the 'article' you posted there aren't actually any facts to disprove. JUst rhetoric. But don't let that get in the way of your hatred and fear, as that is clearly all the proof you need.
I could dismantle the stupidity bit by bit, but I cant be arsed because it would take too much time for the benefit of someonw who will completely ignore it because what I type doesn't fit into their hatred pigeonhole.

It is a shame that people like you need such hard 'facts' to prove that muslims are actually okay on the whole and yet you so readily accept such st to 'prove' that they are a problem.

Thanks for answering I couldnt be bothered.

For the record Cheese Mechanic, im firmly in the atheist camp so not inconvenient at all - your book of 'facts' is just utter nonsence.

[Cheese Mechanic]

blindswelledrat said:

I could dismantle the stupidity bit by bit, but I cant be arsed because it would take too much time for the benefit of someonw who will completely ignore it because what I type doesn't fit into their hatred pigeonhole.

Of course you cannot be arsed, far easier to say something is inaccurate, just because you want it to be.

How about this then From the pen of Lefty Dan Hodges in todays DT

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11434695/...

"Two weeks ago I took part in a debate on free speech, hosted by the Islamic Education and Research Academy. It was a good discussion, well attended, with an almost exclusively Muslim audience. Near the end, one audience member began to defend the killing of apostates. I challenged him, as did the other non-Muslim panelists. None of the Muslim panelists challenged him. No members of the audience challenged him. Instead, when he’d finished defending the murder of apostates, a significant section of the audience applauded him. "

Yep, murder being justified in a public meeting in the UK . Islam is not looked at with deep suspicion because people want to do that, they do it because of what it preaches and what its followers practise.Inconvenient eh?

[Cheese Mechanic]

p1stonhead said:

Thanks for answering I couldnt be bothered.
For the record Cheese Mechanic, im firmly in the atheist camp so not inconvenient at all - your book of 'facts' is just utter nonsence.

If its nonsense, then disprove it, because a lot of what it says rings big bells. As to whether you are an atheist or not is irrelevant.

[p1stonhead]

Cheese Mechanic said:

p1stonhead said:

Thanks for answering I couldnt be bothered.
For the record Cheese Mechanic, im firmly in the atheist camp so not inconvenient at all - your book of 'facts' is just utter nonsence.

If its nonsense, then disprove it, because a lot of what it says rings big bells. As to whether you are an atheist or not is irrelevant.

There is nothing to disprove! You are a scaredy little Daily Mail reading idiot. Disprove that! You cant disprove an opinion.

I can just as easily say 'every terrorist strangely has at least one pair of shoes'. Time to ban shoes in your opinion?

Edited by p1stonhead on Wednesday 25th February 17:24

[Cheese Mechanic]

p1stonhead said:

There is nothing to disprove! You are a scaredy little Daily Mail reading idiot. Disprove that! You cant disprove an opinion.
I can just as easily say 'every terrorist strangely has at least one pair of shoes'. Time to ban shoes in your opinion?

Course there is nothing to disprove, Islam is a peaceful tolerant religion, we see its peaceloving ways all the time,and they are no problem in Paris, Amsterdam etc, eh?

[Bill]

So that's where that steaming pile of horsest comes from, some bible thumping nutjob.

[AreOut]

Potatoes said:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100069830/the-muslim-population-has-grown-from-1-65-million-to-2-87-million-since-2001-say-researchers-what-does-this-mean-for-liberal-britain/

[scherzkeks]

Cheese Mechanic said:

If you were not ignorant you would see that it was not a Breitbart article at all, but a mention/link on that site to an article in the Jordan Times, part of which was quoted. Which if you read it, may help curtail your ignorance.

Never mind, you carry on.

I will, thanks. The content of the piece speaks for itself; that Breitbart is regurgitating it simply reinforces the fact that it's a bunch of nonsense.

[NoNeed]

Cheese Mechanic said:

If its nonsense, then disprove it, because a lot of what it says rings big bells. As to whether you are an atheist or not is irrelevant.

I don't know much about islam but as the Paris incident took 1400 years to happen I would hazard a guess that it is people poor interpretation of islam that is the issue and not islam itself

[Cheese Mechanic]

scherzkeks said:

I will, thanks. The content of the piece speaks for itself; that Breitbart is regurgitating it simply reinforces the fact that it's a bunch of nonsense.

Proof positive of how easy it is for people make themselves look stupid. If you actually read the article in its entirety in the Jordan Times you would find out firstly that you are wrong in your assumption, and that its really not a good idea to applaud your own ignorance publicly.

[JustAnotherLogin]

Cheese Mechanic said:

p1stonhead said:

You think one book is sufficient to cite as the basis of such extreme views and numbers?

Presumably if the book is wrong, you know the facts that prove such?

Plus of course, whats said , rings big bells. Inconvenient to you is it?

Well it is of course hard to propve a negative. bUt lets take this section for a start- the first level at whicbh there will be much evidence

Your Link said:

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:

Guyana -- Muslim 10%

India -- Muslim 13.4%

Israel -- Muslim 16%

Kenya -- Muslim 10%

Russia -- Muslim 15%

I cannot see any evidence that there is anything like daily lawlessness caused by Muslimes in Guyana or Russia for example (just looking at first and last), or at least no more lawlessness than the rest of the population. And blaming the troubles in Israel on Islam seems a bit odd.


As we progress through the higher levels, seeking to blame what happens in Bosnia or Albanie on the muslims shows a complete lack of historical perspective - to remind you, NATO went into Bosnia to stop persecution of muslims

[AreOut]

just recently there was a terrorist attack in Grozny...not to mention there were 2 huge wars before only a decade or so

[wc98]

Cheese Mechanic said:

Of course you cannot be arsed, far easier to say something is inaccurate, just because you want it to be.

How about this then From the pen of Lefty Dan Hodges in todays DT

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11434695/...

"Two weeks ago I took part in a debate on free speech, hosted by the Islamic Education and Research Academy. It was a good discussion, well attended, with an almost exclusively Muslim audience. Near the end, one audience member began to defend the killing of apostates. I challenged him, as did the other non-Muslim panelists. None of the Muslim panelists challenged him. No members of the audience challenged him. Instead, when he’d finished defending the murder of apostates, a significant section of the audience applauded him. "

Yep, murder being justified in a public meeting in the UK . Islam is not looked at with deep suspicion because people want to do that, they do it because of what it preaches and what its followers practise.Inconvenient eh?

i would be interested in a response to this from bsr and jali . while i am not in the all muslims are terrorists camp,incidents like this do concern me .

[Liokault]

NoNeed said:

Cheese Mechanic said:

If its nonsense, then disprove it, because a lot of what it says rings big bells. As to whether you are an atheist or not is irrelevant.

I don't know much about islam but as the Paris incident took 1400 years to happen I would hazard a guess that it is people poor interpretation of islam that is the issue and not islam itself

But by poor interpretation of islam, you mean an interpretation that is acceptable to the west, not an interpretation that is understood by most muslims worldwide.


"Most" islam in the world isn't acceptable to the west.

[telecat]

Liokault said:

NoNeed said:

Cheese Mechanic said:

If its nonsense, then disprove it, because a lot of what it says rings big bells. As to whether you are an atheist or not is irrelevant.

I don't know much about islam but as the Paris incident took 1400 years to happen I would hazard a guess that it is people poor interpretation of islam that is the issue and not islam itself

But by poor interpretation of islam, you mean an interpretation that is acceptable to the west, not an interpretation that is understood by most muslims worldwide.


"Most" islam in the world isn't acceptable to the west.

I think that it is the "Wahab" interpretation and the adherence to them that tolerant society's find unacceptable.

[WinstonWolf]

JustAnotherLogin said:

Cheese Mechanic said:

p1stonhead said:

You think one book is sufficient to cite as the basis of such extreme views and numbers?

Presumably if the book is wrong, you know the facts that prove such?

Plus of course, whats said , rings big bells. Inconvenient to you is it?

Well it is of course hard to propve a negative. bUt lets take this section for a start- the first level at whicbh there will be much evidence

Your Link said:

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:

Guyana -- Muslim 10%

India -- Muslim 13.4%

Israel -- Muslim 16%

Kenya -- Muslim 10%

Russia -- Muslim 15%

I cannot see any evidence that there is anything like daily lawlessness caused by Muslimes in Guyana or Russia for example (just looking at first and last), or at least no more lawlessness than the rest of the population. And blaming the troubles in Israel on Islam seems a bit odd.


As we progress through the higher levels, seeking to blame what happens in Bosnia or Albanie on the muslims shows a complete lack of historical perspective - to remind you, NATO went into Bosnia to stop persecution of muslims

Would you like to live in an Islamic country? If so, why don't you move to one?

[zygalski]

WinstonWolf said:

Would you like to live in an Islamic country? If so, why don't you move to one?

I'm thinking you're actually quite jealous of these radical Muslim nutjobs.
They actually act out their bizarre beliefs to the full. The closest you get is hammering away at your keyboard....

[WinstonWolf]

zygalski said:

WinstonWolf said:

Would you like to live in an Islamic country? If so, why don't you move to one?

I'm thinking you're actually quite jealous of these radical Muslim nutjobs.
They actually act out their bizarre beliefs to the full. The closest you get is hammering away at your keyboard....

It's called "typing", not hammering.

How about you, you seem to have a lot of love for them, would you like to live in an Islamic country?