Thank god for angle grinders

Thank god for angle grinders

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Pumaracing

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207 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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It's a pain building engines when you don't have your own mill and lathe currently, (long story which I won't go into). There's always something you need to make which would be a five minute job with the right equipment and hours of grief if you don't. One of today's tasks was to make a port sizing tool from an old valve which is how I make sure all the ports in a head are to a specific size. Only works with round ports of course but most are.

For those starting out in porting their own heads if you decide on your target port size, turn down the head of an old valve to a bit under that size to allow for final polishing, keep checking the port as you open it up to see where the valve head will and won't fit through, eventually you'll get the whole port nice and round and to the right size without choke points which will hurt your flow and final power.

Anyhoo, I made a couple of sizing tools on someone else's lathe a while back but I hate pestering him for a loan of it and needed another sized valve turning down today for the exhaust ports I'm working on which I forgot to make last time. Angle grinder to the rescue though. Spin the valve up in a drill and angle grinder against the head of it until it's down to the right size. The poor man's lathe I suppose.

What size should your ports be though? Now there's a question although I have covered it previously.

stevieturbo

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247 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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Flap wheel in a grinder is superb for removing material. Much better even than a grinding disc most times.

I doubt we need to thank any gods though, I'm fairly sure they wouldnt lower themselves to invent such a thing, if indeed they exist.

Pumaracing

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Friday 20th February 2015
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Talking about flapwheels, the price of those seems to have gone mental since I last bought some. I usually finish round ports off with little 30mm x 10mm 80 grit flapwheels on a 3mm shank and to gain extra reach I made up a couple of 4" mandrel extensions to fit the porting gear. Those have a 6mm shank on one end for the collet and a 3mm hole drilled in the other for the flapwheel. Loctite to hold it in and once that's set you're good to go and can reach all the way down most ports.

I used to buy those flapwheels for about a quid each from Cromwell Tools down south but since the house move I can't find any knocking about. Not sure if I'd used them all up or they went missing. Anyway a couple of weeks ago I tried to source some online to finish a head off and they're a ridiculous £30 for a box of ten now, even on Ebay. Still, emery roll wrapped round a stick does a similar job and at least I have plenty of that left over.

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PS. Yes I know you can get the 6mm shank ones cheap enough on Ebay. I guess there just isn't much demand for the 3mm shank ones.

Edited by Pumaracing on Friday 20th February 22:50

stevieturbo

17,263 posts

247 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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I meant these, they're great


imagineifyeswill

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166 months

Saturday 21st February 2015
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Got to agree Stevie much better than grinding discs and when tidying up body welding they give a much tidier finish.

PeterBurgess

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146 months

Saturday 21st February 2015
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Perfect Stevie, Ollie from NMS gave us one to tidy up some weld work, it was brilliant so we bought some smile

We have been using 60 grit Bibielle flapwheels on 6mm stems for some years but now looking for alternative due to the price. We buy them in in 100 at a time and they have gone up from 70 odd p to 1.60 in a few years. We are looking at Standard Abrasive ones to try for longevity and finish. We try and balance stock removal/finish/price which can be difficult...cheap ones tend to wear out/fly apart and not give the desired stock removal rate and/or finish. We have used Norton 60 grit by 25mm x 25 m rolls of emery cloth for many a year and pleased with the wear rate and finish achieved. Carbide burrs can be awkward to source, we use Master Abrasives and Merlin Tools and resort to having them made to our shapes sometimes, usually 25-50 burrs at a time or they won't make em! Standard abrasive Cross Buffs give a beautiful surface finish on ally but very low stock removal.
http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3MIndu...

I attach a link to Standard Abrasives porting techniques pdf.
http://www.lcengineering.com/pdf/Head%20Porting%20...

Peter

Pumaracing

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Saturday 21st February 2015
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PeterBurgess said:
Carbide burrs can be awkward to source, we use Master Abrasives and Merlin Tools and resort to having them made to our shapes sometimes, usually 25-50 burrs at a time ...

Peter
Struth. Just the other day when I was looking for my favourite carbide burr to work on a head it occurred to me I got that burr with my Foredom porting equipment 25 years ago, it's done every head and manifold I've ever worked on, it still appears to be as sharp as the day I got it and it's never chipped a tooth. It's a 3/8" diameter oval on a 4" long 6mm shank with a general cut tooth pattern. Not quite as fast as an open tooth burr on aluminium or a cross cut tooth pattern on iron but quick enough for me on either. Long enough to reach down most ports but not so long you lose control.

Occasionally I resort to one of the other 20 or so burrs the guy threw in for free to give me a good range to work with. One on a 6" shank if I'm trying to work all the down an inlet manifold and blend into the port, smaller diameter ones for tight radii, but otherwise it's all been done with that one apparently everlasting carbide since I started out.

Pumaracing

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Saturday 21st February 2015
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stevieturbo said:
I meant these, they're great

Hmmm. Don't think they'd quite fit down a cylinder head port though.

MGJohn

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183 months

Saturday 21st February 2015
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Thanks indeed. Multi-purpose and with a little ingenuity, you can have your own lathe. By setting car in first gear at idle. Not recommended except to those that know exactly what they are doing.



The above set-up means you can remove the wear lip on a Disc on both sides of the friction area if you go about things carefully.

Ideal for removing a wear ridge in a brake disc provided the remaining thickness of the Brake Disc is in specification.

You can use the set-up to DIY refurbish Alloy Wheels using abrasive tape or lightly applied flappy wheel in an Angle Grinder. Works well but again, NOT recommended except by those who know exactly what they're doing.

Click on image :~


Pumaracing

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Saturday 21st February 2015
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We used the angle grinder to regap the new piston rings on a mate's race engine last year. At 12 thou gap they were a bit tight for my liking in an 83.5mm bore in something revving to beyond 8000. It was a bit heart in mouth but with my mate holding the angle grinder hard down on the bench and me holding each ring, sliding the gap over the grinding disc and then just dabbing one side carefully against the disc we knocked 4 thou off each ring and it all worked very nicely. I'm not sure I'm brave enough to do that on a daily basis though. I had visions of the grinder grabbing a ring, ripping it out of my hand and hurling it in bits across the workshop.

Those 1mm thick metal cutting discs are really good though. The sides are smooth enough to give you real control over how much stock you remove. I wouldn't have tried it with one of those old 3mm cutting discs with the spongy sides.

M11 MFP

687 posts

193 months

Saturday 21st February 2015
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Pumaracing said:
. It was a bit heart in mouth but with my mate holding the angle grinder hard down on the bench and me holding each ring, sliding the gap over the grinding disc and then just dabbing one side carefully against the disc we knocked 4 thou off each ring and it all worked very nicely. I'm not sure I'm brave enough to do that on a daily basis though. I had visions of the grinder grabbing a ring, ripping it out of my hand and hurling it in bits across the workshop.
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This stuff gives me shivers. Nearly hand my rh thumb cut clean off by some clamped 20mm steel tube which grabbed in a 12" chop saw disc. An "assistant" pulled the handle down hard for unknown reasons, probably due to not having used one before.

I'll never have anyone assist where grinders are concerned now, even a dinky 4 1/2" can do a lot of damage if used improperly.

It happened really fast but I'm sure my hand never contacted the disc. I think the pipe itself tore out of the clamp and pinched my thumb down on the bench so quickly it cut like a blade.

Luckily the nerve survive on one side so it reattached ok.

MGJohn

10,203 posts

183 months

Saturday 21st February 2015
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M11 MFP said:
I'll never have anyone assist where grinders are concerned now, even a dinky 4 1/2" can do a lot of damage if used improperly.
Very, very wise. Only one person you should trust ... yourself. Hence my :~

MGJohn said:
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Not recommended except to those that know exactly what they are doing.
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That applies with any tools! Even simple Hammers.

blade7

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216 months

Sunday 22nd February 2015
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Pumaracing said:
For those starting out in porting their own heads if you decide on your target port size, turn down the head of an old valve to a bit under that size to allow for final polishing, keep checking the port as you open it up to see where the valve head will and won't fit through, eventually you'll get the whole port nice and round and to the right size without choke points which will hurt your flow and final power.
I seem to remember Nick Waples doing that 25 years ago.

Pumaracing

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Sunday 22nd February 2015
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I freely confess I've been far too hacksaw oriented for my entire life until recently. If a bolt needed shortening then I'd automatically use a hacksaw. I'd never even think to use the angle grinder. Not having a really good carbide parting off tool for the lathe when a piece of stock needed parting off then out with the hacksaw again. I've finally realised how much faster and easier almost any metal chopping activity is with a 1mm disc in the angle grinder. I've used it more in the last few months than for the previous 25 years.

One useful tool any race engine builder can make is a centre punch for marking piston crowns down the valve guides so you see where the valve centre is to check that valve cutouts are in the right place or if they'll clear big valves. Fit a rod and piston to the block, bring it to TDC, pop the head on with an old gasket and a couple of bolts and then you can fit the punch down the valve guides and make a little centre pop on the piston crown for the inlet and exhaust valves. Those points are the centering datums for the machinist if you need to send the pistons for the valve cutouts to be enlarged or deepened.

Make the punch from an old inlet valve with the head cut off and then machine a point on the end. I made a 7mm stem one for the engine I helped build last year and as usual grabbed a hacksaw without thinking. Valve stems are bloody tough though and I had to try a couple of blades before finding one sharp enough to cut through. Recently I had to make a 6mm punch for the current engine I'm working on. Now I'm finally savvy enough to get the angle grinder out instead. 2 seconds and zip, valve head off and in the bin. If you spin the valve stem in a drill you can even make the pointed end with the angle grinder although in my case I was able to do that on a machine.

Mr2Mike

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255 months

Sunday 22nd February 2015
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Pumaracing said:
I freely confess I've been far too hacksaw oriented for my entire life until recently. If a bolt needed shortening then I'd automatically use a hacksaw.
This isn't a bad thing IMO. I have a large selection of hacksaw blades and decent metal files and they are my go-to tools for general metal cutting/shaping. Possibly a result of my apprenticeship where I spent many hours shaping block of metal with hand tools.

I rarely reach for the angle grinder unless actually doing bodywork; they are noisy, messy, dangerous and just plain inconvenient for small jobs. The 1mm discs cut sheet metal impressively quickly compared to the older, thick cutting discs, but they also slice through leather gauntlets in the blink of an eye and are very easy to shatter.


Edited by Mr2Mike on Sunday 22 February 20:04