RE: Lexus RC F vs BMW M4

RE: Lexus RC F vs BMW M4

Monday 23rd February 2015

Lexus RC F vs BMW M4

BMW goes turbo, Lexus sticks with a big V8 - is the fast coupe world order going topsy turvy?



Never pick your favourite before the test begins. But it's tough isn't it? Faced with two utterly different approaches and two great badges this is some head to head. Turbo versus natural aspiration. Japan versus Germany. Straight-six versus V8. If you don't have an inkling of a favourite already you're probably reading the wrong website.

But clear your minds of all preconceptions. And follow us around winter B-roads, and to a slithery Bedford Autodrome. Let's settle this.


Lexus RC F
Slide into that distinctly Japanese cockpit of the RC F and you're already being pushed into decisions about your allegiances. It's very techy, and steadfastly not European in feel. Some of the black plastic could have been lifted straight from an Avensis. But the RC F is blessed with some satisfyingly cool touches, like the wonderful LFA-inspired multi-function display. Yet cursed with a touchpad interface from the 90s, only reliably operated while driving on bowling greens and billiard tables. Oh, and an indicator stalk that plays tricks on you.

LFA influence evident in the Lexus
LFA influence evident in the Lexus
But let's stick with the good stuff for now. Push that button, let that big double-VVT-i eight-cylinder rumble into life and the world is already a better place. If anything was to sway an early decision, it would be the muffled roar of the RC F's 5.0-litre V8. It tugs at the heartstrings, though it's certainly not as raw or compelling as classics from the archives. Nor is it as high-revving as the old M3. Still way cooler than the M4 though.

Flick the dial to ECO mode and the squishy throttle pedal and seamlessly smooth shifts remind you of traditional Lexus. In this mode the RC F is almost perfect for cruising through the urban jungle, the fixed rate dampers just unhappy enough to remind you this is a car built for faster speeds. Vertical motions are fast and choppy, only just contained. Steering is still feelsome, brakes are wonderfully accurate, but the sensation of pent-up force is undeniable.

Japan does old school tech? Role reversal!
Japan does old school tech? Role reversal!
The answer is ... just go faster. As the national speed limit is approached, only then does the RC F deliver on those hinted promises of steering feel and road holding. Every manhole cover that unsettled your cup of coffee at 30mph becomes a satisfying bump under your hands. The steering might be a little muted but in isolation it's still a lively wheel to grip down your favourite A- or B-road. Flowing between corners, surging on a wave of V8 noise, the RC F really begins to carve out some space in your heart.

There are still some niggles though. The eight-speed 'box is quick enough to shift when asking for one gear at a time. But it struggles to stack those changes. And the final drive ratio is just far too long. Why have so many ratios if the first five aren't packed nice and short? Instead, the rev limiter in third gear is enough to have you picking up rubbish, looking after the elderly or even playing "don't drop that soap" for a couple of weeks.

RC F's trick diff doing its job
RC F's trick diff doing its job
And you'll want to rev it out, that's for sure. Below 4,000rpm the car makes some wonderful noises, but hardly rushes to pick up speed. Over 5,500rpm it pushes you in the back. We're not talking 'VVT-i just kicked in, yo!", but instead an exponential power curve that just climbs steeply into the rev limiter as weight-blunted low-rev sluggishness is forgotten.

Yes, those GS underpinnings and mandatory automatic gearbox are both incongruous and weighty for a car as overtly sporty as this. While rivals shed pounds in 2015, this 2+2 coupe is actually a bit of a porker. Nowhere is it felt more than in cornering transitions and braking into tighter corners. The torque vectoring diff does a sterling job in hiding this most of the time. In pure Top Trumps terms, it's a superior unit to the Active M Differential of the BMWs.

But it's only on track that the trick diff really start to shine.

Bedford South is the chosen venue for Lexus to take on Bavaria's finest. It's a cold day at the Autodrome, a little damp around the edges. A good mix of low- and high-speed turns will give each car the chance to prove itself. Both cars shod with identical Michelin Super Sport tyres.


BMW M4
The RC F is the underdog. From sales predictions to spec sheets. It's an easy car to cheer for, but the M4 just picks it apart. Blow by blow, stitch by stitch, tenth by tenth, the RC F can't resist the onslaught.

Yes, this happened quite a lot
Yes, this happened quite a lot
It starts with the engine. Where the Lexus builds power slowly, reaching an urgent climax just before the rev-limiter, the M4 explodes forward at any given speed or rpm. The fact that it's turbocharged divides opinion. When compared to an E92's V8 at peak rpm, it's definitely a touch softer at providing instant on-demand poke. But these few milliseconds are not laggy, not at all.

The amount of shove is dangerous enough with the driver aids turned off, but couple it to that to a sharp DCT transmission and the M4 is an animal. Every shift, every squeeze of the throttle, the BMW is just looking for trouble. This harder, faster, sharper mentality continues to the handling too. With the aids turned on, both cars are easily as capable as each other.

Character, yes, but is it of the likeable type?
Character, yes, but is it of the likeable type?
Turn it all off and the story changes distinctly. Where the Lexus is a little softer to turn in, the BMW continually stuns with its eagerness to dive to an apex. The electric steering is ridiculously sharp, and actually a little hard to judge at times.

No such worries in the slightly more sluggish Lexus though. You have to push the RC F hard to make it oversteer, and the results can sometimes be a little unpredictable as that super-clever differential finds grip you didn't even think was there. Corner exits should be the domain of the M4, but more often than not it's the RC F that's deploying all of its torque more easily.

Only in the second gear hairpin does the 'disconnect' in the automatic gearbox of the Lexus really become an issue, the lock-up disappearing somewhat randomly to leave you coasting to the apex bereft of engine braking.

Special enough inside the BMW?
Special enough inside the BMW?
While the BMW will find a car length or two in the middle of the straight again, the surprise is that the RC F doesn't really lose out more than a tenth on the brakes. Considering the M4 is blessed with a set of carbon ceramics adding about 10 per cent of the sticker price, that's seriously impressive. In fact, it takes some real talent (or lack thereof) to worry the brakes on either car. From first press to deep within the turn-in point, the BMW always feels a touch superior. Maybe not a full £6,250 superior though.

Ultimately it's the BMW that sets the faster time against the clock, scoring two laps in the 1min 6sec range. But there are plenty of 8s and 9s too when the back end breaks away. The Lexus? A best of 1min 7.1sec but this was repeatable all day long.


Contrived victory
Much has already been said about the M4's sister car on these pages. Unconvincing aurally, and a disappointingly bland at sane speeds. These are fair complaints, but worth re-iterating in this test of the M4 too.

It's not quite as clear cut as it seems
It's not quite as clear cut as it seems
The stark contrast between that twitchy ten-tenths monster that just bested the RC F on track and the slightly vague M4 driven home is amazing. And yes, it's definitely the same car. Nobody swapped it.

The BMW is a brilliant car in so many ways. The cabin is infinitely superior to the RC F in everyday use, with the dials and sat nav knocking the Lexus clean off its perch. Then there are the optional LED lights, which turn night into day and burn wildlife back into the bushes. But that fake engine noise soon begins to grate. And the stereo isn't a patch on the Lexus.

Messing with the economy modes and driving sensibly will honestly net you around 33 per cent more miles for your gallon than equivalent speeds in the bigger RC F too. Low 30s being possible for the M4, but a pipe dream for the RC F.

But mess with the settings too much, soften that suspension, embrace the eco mode too often and the big M car just becomes a well-appointed 335i. It's like going to bed with a Page 3 model and waking up with her mum. Only in fleeting moments of insanity will the BMW force you to remember the vicious speed it can display on track. By comparison, there's a little bit of magic to the RC F that never lets you forget its potential.

Down but my no means out for the Lexus
Down but my no means out for the Lexus
Foregone conclusions?
We wanted a clear winner. But neither car can be fully commended, not yet.

The F in RC F is supposed to stand for Fuji circuit, remember? And the team behind this car spend weekends racing and spannering at the Nurburgring just as much as the BMW M guys and girls. Yet while their brief allowed such delightful extravagances as the M-humbling, twin-motored, torque vectoring differential, it also left them lumbered with a GS chassis 300kg too heavy and a gearbox some focus group probably said was essential for brand values.

So Lexus did a mighty fine job, but the BMW was never hobbled by such inherited problems, being a whole new car. Though there's still something slightly incoherent and otherworldly about its technology and fakery. The noises, the feedback of the steering wheel and a Jekyll and Hyde character can be the only true objective criticisms of this likewise very good car.

Foregone conclusions, biased or not, are actually very necessary. Pick the one you liked first, and you'll be happy. But the M4 is fastest. But the RC F has a V8.

C63, the stage is yours...


LEXUS RC F
Engine:
 4,969cc V8
Transmission: 8-speed automatic, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 477@7,100rpm
Torque (lb ft): 391@4,800-5,600rpm
0-62mph: 4.5sec
Top speed: 168mph (limited)
Weight: 1,840kg (EU, including driver)
MPG: 26.2mpg (claimed)
CO2: 252g/km
Price: £60,995 (£65,790 as tested including £3,500 for Torque Vectoring Differential and £1,295 for cruise control)

BMW M4
Engine:
 2,979cc 6-cyl twin-turbo
Transmission: 6-speed manual/7-speed dual-clutch auto (M DCT), rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 431@5,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 406@1,850-5,500rpm
0-62mph: 4.3 sec/4.1 sec M DCT
Top speed: 155mph (limited)
Weight: 1,595kg/1,635kg M DCT (EU, with driver)
MPG: 32.1mpg/34mpg M DCT (NEDC combined)
CO2: 204g/km/194g/km M DCT
Price: £55,235 (£73,770 as tested including £545 for Advanced Parking package, £2,645 for M DCT gearbox, £6,250 for M carbon ceramic brakes, £175 for 19-inch black wheels, £265 for Sun protection glass, £155 for extended storage, £140 for front sliding armrest, £395 for Interior carbon trim, £1,600 for Adaptive LED headlights, £440 for Lane change warning system, £370 for Driving Assistant, £500 for Surround-view, £825 for M head-up display, £675 for Harmon/Kardon stereo upgrade, £95 for Internet, £325 for Online Entertainment and £220 for Speed limit display.)

Photos: Anthony Fraser









   
   
   
   

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Discussion

wst

Original Poster:

3,494 posts

161 months

Sunday 22nd February 2015
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Bloody hell, those brake disks! That's something I never expected to see from a road car, even on a track.

iacabu

1,349 posts

149 months

Sunday 22nd February 2015
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I doubt that Lexus front end will ever grow on me, not good looking from that angle. The rest is ok.

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 22nd February 2015
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What I take from this is that both are very good, but different enough to appeal to slightly different groups. Surely that's a good thing?

Personally I'd have the Lexus both for the joy of hearing a big V8 rumble into life every time I drove it and for the confidence that it will be engineered like almost nothing else on the road.

Of course that's a total pipe dream because I can't afford to buy or run either of them smile

Andy665

3,618 posts

228 months

Sunday 22nd February 2015
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Whilst the Lexus is the heavier, to my eyes its he M4 that looks far more bloated, does absolutely nothing for me in the looks and sound department

cerb4.5lee

30,476 posts

180 months

Sunday 22nd February 2015
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Interesting test...yet I still cant choose which one I like best and I think the new C63 could be very successful indeed when it comes up against these two in future tests.

Selmer Mk6

245 posts

127 months

Sunday 22nd February 2015
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Hmm the M4 is no longer the class leader. A Lexus that is too heavy and only fractions behind the pace is an achievement.

Let's see how the C63 compares. Will Infiniti and Jaguar step up!

chelme

1,353 posts

170 months

Sunday 22nd February 2015
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coffee Good article-enjoyed reading it.

Personally, if I had to choose between the two, I'd opt for the Lexus. That V8 does sound special,(rather like the Ferrari V8 in the Maserati 4200)I think it looks quite good and there won't be that many of them about. I wager residuals would therefore remain strong, so it would be an all round better proposition for me.

I've seen and heard the M4 in the metal, and it doesn't do it for me -it does look bloated as mentioned above and the engine does sound odd. I would hate the 'enhanced/fake' sound through the speakers too.

SteveS Cup

1,996 posts

160 months

Sunday 22nd February 2015
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The difference in price between the standard car and a specced up one never ceases to amaze me!!

panholio

1,079 posts

148 months

Sunday 22nd February 2015
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I hope the c63 is great.

Something appealing about this Lexus, I'd love to take one for a drive. Not sure I'd be signing up to buy one though, even if I could afford it.

ThreeP

153 posts

130 months

Sunday 22nd February 2015
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Having come back from a recent RC F test drive, here are a few observations. I think while the RC F is a fair bit heavier it really doesn't feel it on the road. The V8 sounds fantastic, and has a slight hint of LFA (possibly synthesised) but still so much better than the BMW's fakery and fart can exhaust note. The power delivery is a lot more linear and it wants to be revved out where as the M4 was fun initially but got boring after a while to be as it started to feel like a diesel.

I think on the road the RC F is a fantastic car, despite its supposedly "track" pretentious. personally I find the cabin better than the BMWs too, which looks too much like every other car in the range. Same goes for the exterior. The RC just has presence I don't think the M4 can muster.

I sort of wanted it to feel like a bigger, more powerful and expensive GT86, and to a certain degree it did. Upcoming C63 will probably be a good compromise between both, but I'll take a red RC F.


Patrick Bateman

12,172 posts

174 months

Sunday 22nd February 2015
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When they said the Lexus was too heavy I was expecting in the region of 1700kg. Didn't think it'd be e39/e60 M5 heavy.

kambites

67,543 posts

221 months

Sunday 22nd February 2015
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Hmm, sounds like they're both rather flawed as road cars? It'll be interesting to see what Audi and Mercedes can do with their next generation cars in this sector.

Baryonyx

17,995 posts

159 months

Sunday 22nd February 2015
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The Lexus looks amazing. The M4 on the other hand, just looks st. BMW have really dropped the ball here.

TurboDiesel

17 posts

211 months

Sunday 22nd February 2015
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I would choose that Lexus over the M4. V8 heart is much more to my heart, throaty and deep, its got MORE character than the M4.

Its like that kid we had in highschool, the one that does everything well and scores really well but comes off as a tt. Thats the M4.

The RCF is a loveable big guy, plenty of soul, big heart and can dance despite the weigh advantage.

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 22nd February 2015
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The M4 with a Quaife would be my choice. Pretty serious performance figures from both smile

vz-r_dave

3,469 posts

218 months

Sunday 22nd February 2015
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I'd take the RCF everytime, for two reasons, V8 the M4 could just as easily be a 318 with m sport kit/options. Yes I have seen the M4 in the flesh and whilst it looks much better than in the photo's the RCF is on another level in terms of presence, be it ugly or not.


belleair302

6,842 posts

207 months

Sunday 22nd February 2015
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I fail to understand why track performance gets people so excited. I could build a track 'slag' for £12,000 that would blow these two away on both the road and track....but what really matters is how these cars deal with the M25 on a wet Sunday....a blast across France for the weekend and driving to and fro with wife, children....to see clients etc.

For me the Lexus wins.....it looks different, is beautifully built, will not break as easily as the BMW and the dealer network will look after customers where BMW dealers just want your money. As an ex BMW M5 owner I won't be going back to the Germans again.

SaqibCTR

464 posts

134 months

Sunday 22nd February 2015
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Lexus for me, thanks.

I suspect the RCF will be the better car to own at higher mileages with (what should be) superior build quality and reliability? And from what I've read on here, their dealership network trounces BMW's.

Thinking about this from an ownership perspective, and when they do depreciate so poor people like me can afford one.

Numeric

1,395 posts

151 months

Sunday 22nd February 2015
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I realise this is a VERY personal thing - but I'd have an M3 over the M4 because it just looks better to my eyes. Of course I might be getting old and wrinkly but I remember that Mercedes found the avaerage age of the W126 saloon buyer was way lower than the coupe so I pretend it's cos I'm young at heart.

Schnellmann

1,893 posts

204 months

Sunday 22nd February 2015
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belleair302 said:
I fail to understand why track performance gets people so excited. I could build a track 'slag' for £12,000 that would blow these two away on both the road and track....but what really matters is how these cars deal with the M25 on a wet Sunday....a blast across France for the weekend and driving to and fro with wife, children....to see clients etc.

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If you apply this sort of (sensible) logic then you would of course end up buying a 330D or 335D instead of the M4 as they would be as good as or better than the M4 in those areas, not any slower on the road and deliver better (if not great) economy.