E60 / E90 BMW diesels - how to they take high mileage?

[sixpistons]

Mario149 said:

Apologies, I suspect this one has probably been done to death on the BMW forum, but just to put this one to bed quickly on this thread: can we clarify what we mean by "not an issue"? Is it:

a) they're not fitted
b) they're an improved design and so fail less
c) something else

If I do pull the trigger on the E90 330d I'm seeing shortly, is it something I should budget a few hundred quid for (blanking plates and fitting) and get done asap (probably along with a DMS remap ), or is it rare enough on the 330d cars that there's no need to bother?

Note the car I'm looking at is this one: http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...

Later cars still have swirl flaps but the design was improved. If you're still worried you can buy some blanking plugs. I fitted some to my 2003 320d, which are known for failing - cost about 35 quid for four of them and maybe a couple of hours to fit myself.

[kenyon]

I have e92 330d which has reached 240,000 miles which is on February 2009 plate from new and keeps going. Still on its original turbo, battery and alternator and exhaust. No mechanic trouble whatsoever just changing tyres, brakes. Awesome car still.

[kenyon]

I have e92 330d which has reached 240,000 miles which is on February 2009 plate from new and keeps going. Still on its original turbo, battery and alternator and exhaust. No mechanic trouble whatsoever just changing tyres, brakes. Awesome car still.

[Welshbeef]

kenyon said:

I have e92 330d which has reached 240,000 miles which is on February 2009 plate from new and keeps going. Still on its original turbo, battery and alternator and exhaust. No mechanic trouble whatsoever just changing tyres, brakes. Awesome car still.

No DPF
No fuel pipe leaks
No swirl flap failure
Nothing over routine servicing.


240k from new is bloody good going guessing one set of tyres a year and every two years pads discs 3rd year?

[Welshbeef]

kenyon said:

I have e92 330d which has reached 240,000 miles which is on February 2009 plate from new and keeps going. Still on its original turbo, battery and alternator and exhaust. No mechanic trouble whatsoever just changing tyres, brakes. Awesome car still.

I guess also at this mileage its market value or the number of people who would consider (what is a perfectly fine car) "past it" so would be of lower value/appeal.

Is your intention given that to simply keep running year on year until something does break on it eventually - heck another 5 years you'd be a half a million mile car.


Wonder if I should have kept my e90 330d and given it to the wife at the time over chopping a very good example in. Hindsight a a great thing.

[kenyon]

Welshbeef said:

kenyon said:

I have e92 330d which has reached 240,000 miles which is on February 2009 plate from new and keeps going. Still on its original turbo, battery and alternator and exhaust. No mechanic trouble whatsoever just changing tyres, brakes. Awesome car still.

No DPF
No fuel pipe leaks
No swirl flap failure
Nothing over routine servicing.


240k from new is bloody good going guessing one set of tyres a year and every two years pads discs 3rd year?

Still on the same DPF, I have force regen every 30k miles, no fuel leaks, no swirl flap failure just routine servicing. I drive motorway every day between the North and South! Okay have had three windscreens, set of shockers at 183k miles. Headlight covers are stoned chipped like the front bonnet. Car only worth £3k on a trade in. I want to hit 300,000 miles in it. It's a keep owned since new and full BMW history and only has ever had v-power in it. Car is bullet proof, since doing 9 track days it it too at Cadwell park.

Edited by kenyon on Saturday 28th February 20:25

[Welshbeef]

kenyon said:

Still on the same DPF, I have force regen every 30k miles, no fuel leaks, no swirl flap failure just routine servicing. I drive motorway every day between the North and South! Okay have had three windscreens, set of shockers at 183k miles. Headlight covers are stoned chipped like the front bonnet. Car only worth £3k on a trade in. I want to hit 300,000 miles in it. It's a keep owned since new and full BMW history and only has ever had v-power in it. Car is bullet proof, since doing 9 track days it it too at Cadwell park.

Edited by kenyon on Saturday 28th February 20:25

Can I ask if you've done similar previously ie buy brand new then run it properly for big miles until it breaks then dispose start again - or was this different ie felt like new so kept going still nothing wanting on it and the new replacement was so much more £ the step change would be negligible and hard to justify even if easily affordable.


My F10 just past 60k miles am looking to be doing 15-18k a year in it I can see me happily using this for a long time as running costs should be very low perfoance good - with the desire to put in a Hartage upgrade to. 365hp . Gets to the point you then just run and run it as its value becomes low miles high. (Only thing I could see me changing it for is the estate version + always want a silly petrol toy though far too often the grass is greener when it really isn't).

[kenyon]

Welshbeef said:

kenyon said:

Still on the same DPF, I have force regen every 30k miles, no fuel leaks, no swirl flap failure just routine servicing. I drive motorway every day between the North and South! Okay have had three windscreens, set of shockers at 183k miles. Headlight covers are stoned chipped like the front bonnet. Car only worth £3k on a trade in. I want to hit 300,000 miles in it. It's a keep owned since new and full BMW history and only has ever had v-power in it. Car is bullet proof, since doing 9 track days it it too at Cadwell park.

Edited by kenyon on Saturday 28th February 20:25

Can I ask if you've done similar previously ie buy brand new then run it properly for big miles until it breaks then dispose start again - or was this different ie felt like new so kept going still nothing wanting on it and the new replacement was so much more £ the step change would be negligible and hard to justify even if easily affordable.


My F10 just past 60k miles am looking to be doing 15-18k a year in it I can see me happily using this for a long time as running costs should be very low perfoance good - with the desire to put in a Hartage upgrade to. 365hp . Gets to the point you then just run and run it as its value becomes low miles high. (Only thing I could see me changing it for is the estate version + always want a silly petrol toy though far too often the grass is greener when it really isn't).

This is the first everyday car I bought brand new through my own company, I have lost loads on it and done the mileage so it
Paid for itself. I would like the 335d e92 but I would just put loads miles on it too and loose money, so will keep what I got, know the car too. I always used to drive bangers from the auction for around £200-£500 for a year then bin/scrap. Only because I have a Ferrari for the weekends so my everyday car did not matter. The bm was always going to be a long term car as I travel to Europe in it for my company.

[cerb4.5lee]

Welshbeef said:

Wonder if I should have kept my e90 330d and given it to the wife at the time over chopping a very good example in. Hindsight a a great thing.

Agree and the amount of mistakes I have made with buying the wrong car which I have thought would be the right one yet selling the right one which I already had is legendary and I totally agree if only I had known and hindsight is massive, its just a shame that you don't ever know that until you have done it.

[Welshbeef]

kenyon said:

This is the first everyday car I bought brand new through my own company, I have lost loads on it and done the mileage so it
Paid for itself. I would like the 335d e92 but I would just put loads miles on it too and loose money, so will keep what I got, know the car too. I always used to drive bangers from the auction for around £200-£500 for a year then bin/scrap. Only because I have a Ferrari for the weekends so my everyday car did not matter. The bm was always going to be a long term car as I travel to Europe in it for my company.

And you are achieving good mpg?

[kenyon]

Yes between 40-50mpg

[RMac]

My experience:
Currently trying to sell ae92 330d sport with 140k on it
Had a rod and piston after ingesting water but other than that nothing but routine servicing.
Previous:
E92 320d sport sold with 264k on it
E46 330d sport touring sold with 186k on it
All nothing but routine servicing and all felt / feel bullit proof. My old e46 visited most of European racetracks too including quite a bit of time at the Nurburgring.

I think bm diesels are awesome. None have lost economy or power or had any major issues.

I am aware of some issues though and I guess I've been lucky!

[joropug]

I have a facelift 530d e60 with the 231bhp engine and revised gearbox software.

I got the flaps out because there's no point risking it.

Mines on 95k now

Likely issues:
-Thermostats x2 - which when faulty lead to dpf not regenerating
-dpf needing gutting if driven around town a lot or above not working
-egr issues (can be disconnected)

So far mines had flaps removed, EGR disabled, remapped (mainly because I needed the egr coded out) and both thermostats.

I'd also like to do a gearbox oil change as it's really expensive. Can't justify it at the moment.

Great cars though now it's mapped it gets to triple figures so quick. 275bhp and 450lbs/ft ish. Get 33 mpg average and 45mpg on motorway

[Welshbeef]

joropug said:

I have a facelift 530d e60 with the 231bhp engine and revised gearbox software.

I got the flaps out because there's no point risking it.

Mines on 95k now

Likely issues:
-Thermostats x2 - which when faulty lead to dpf not regenerating
-dpf needing gutting if driven around town a lot or above not working
-egr issues (can be disconnected)

So far mines had flaps removed, EGR disabled, remapped (mainly because I needed the egr coded out) and both thermostats.

I'd also like to do a gearbox oil change as it's really expensive. Can't justify it at the moment.

Great cars though now it's mapped it gets to triple figures so quick. 275bhp and 450lbs/ft ish. Get 33 mpg average and 45mpg on motorway

You gut the DPF = MOT failure.

[joropug]

Incorrect,

DPF being visibly removed = MOT failure

DPF being carefully cut open, gutted, refitted, back out of sight (very awkward to get to on these cars) = not an MOT failure

Technicality FTW - But essentially unless they change the test for backpressure or something they have no way of knowing.

[FurryExocet]

Any opinions on this one?
My concern is it's an early model
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...

[hman]

The answer to the ops question is - badly.

If you want reliability and the volvo D5 from 2010 on is the engine to have.

[cerb4.5lee]

FurryExocet said:

Any opinions on this one?
My concern is it's an early model
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...

Lovely colour and it looks a nice example with low miles.

[Welshbeef]

FurryExocet said:

Any opinions on this one?
My concern is it's an early model
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...

Exactly like my old one - apart from stick shift.

Note the tech specs are incorrect for the economy those are for the 245bhp 330d engine not the 231bhp it makes a notable difference.

[FurryExocet]

Welshbeef said:

Exactly like my old one - apart from stick shift.

Note the tech specs are incorrect for the economy those are for the 245bhp 330d engine not the 231bhp it makes a notable difference.

What are the correct specs?