Do you 'engage' with cyclists?
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JagXJR said:
I overtook many vehicles which were approaching an obstruction a quarter of a mile...
...Since I have had advanced driving tuition (I could claim to have passed the test but that would be untrue despite getting to the standard required to be able to) I am quite capable of reasoning things out before they surprise me .
One of those two statements you made doesn't ring true. I'm pretty sure that to an advanced motorist, anticipating that a vehicle in front of you will move out to pass an obstruction, and that they may have to slow down and hence close up the gap you were intending to pull back in to, would suggest that it's a really stupid place to be overtaking....Since I have had advanced driving tuition (I could claim to have passed the test but that would be untrue despite getting to the standard required to be able to) I am quite capable of reasoning things out before they surprise me .
Finlandia said:
By following the rules that are there for the protection of all road users.
Cool. So no speeding, red light jumping, changing lanes without indicating, using mobile phone, passing with less than a metre clearance, or overtaking someone already performing an overtake on a single carriageway, right?JagXJR said:
I overtook many vehicles which were approaching an obstruction a quarter of a mile (ish didn't pace it out) away
Why were you attempting an overtake of slow moving traffic if you could see there was an obstacle ahead? Unless you were sure you could complete the overtake before you reached the obstacle then surely you can see it was ill thought out, unless you were expecting the traffic to stop in order for you to complete your overtake.As I've said before, would you have attempted the same overtake if the line of slow moving traffic was a convoy of caravans, or tractors, or lorries or grannies out for a bimble? If the answer is no then why do you think it acceptable to try the overtake when the line of slow moving traffic happens to be a line of cyclists?
Mave said:
Finlandia said:
By following the rules that are there for the protection of all road users.
Cool. So no speeding, red light jumping, changing lanes without indicating, using mobile phone, passing with less than a metre clearance, or overtaking someone already performing an overtake on a single carriageway, right?heebeegeetee said:
DonkeyApple said:
The only time it's genuinely an issue is when there are pedestrians crossing, especially under a green man. Whether this is an issue across the UK I've no idea but it is a right royal pain in the City where it's not uncommon to see a pedestrian get hit by a cyclist who has jumped a red light and tried to sail through the pedestrian crossing zone full of pedestrians.
And as London is totally flat in the City it isn't exactly an issue to stop for lights and given the enormous number of pedestrians it would seem even more logical to do so.
They are adults and are fully aware of the increased risk of being hit by a car at that point so it's no real concern to any of us should two people ignoring the law should meet.
I agree, I agree that these cyclists are a PITA.And as London is totally flat in the City it isn't exactly an issue to stop for lights and given the enormous number of pedestrians it would seem even more logical to do so.
They are adults and are fully aware of the increased risk of being hit by a car at that point so it's no real concern to any of us should two people ignoring the law should meet.
So yet another 20 page+ thread. With the same usual handful of f
kwits trying to blame cyclists for their failure to negotiate past them safely.
I know this is not the majority of road users. I doubt most decent PHers have the same troubles on a daily basis this minority of idiots have. Mainly because I'd like to hope the clientele here take a bit of pride in their driving ability. Whether that's on a track or passing a group of cyclists without getting all het up because "they don't pay road tax" or "they held me up for 30 seconds and that's 30 seconds I can't now use for wking at home"
Rather amusingly though the fkwits assume that because this is a car site, that people will side with them simply because they were in a car and the other person was a bike/cyclist/scooter/invalid mobile. Thankfully that never proves to be the case. The majority call out crap driving regardless. Look at the recent Shmee bashing thread
Now don't get it twisted. Whilst out on my bike yesterday I saw 2 or 3 guys on bikes yesterday jump red lights and I shouted at them they weres for it - they never hear me strangely. Just like I saw a car this evening jump a light so there are selfish dicks on all sides. But I guess most people don't judge an entire type of traveller based on the actions of 1 or 3.
Personally I'd like to see the Moderators cut down on these threads. This thread was only started by a troll, but continues in circles. And seeing people legally and blatantly in the wrong constantly trying to justify their actions reflect badly on PH. Whether that's locking them or temp bans for the persistent OPs who seem to have a weird vendetta against bikes and obviously the same vice versa (not that I see too many, maybe I'm not looking hard enough)
kwits trying to blame cyclists for their failure to negotiate past them safely.I know this is not the majority of road users. I doubt most decent PHers have the same troubles on a daily basis this minority of idiots have. Mainly because I'd like to hope the clientele here take a bit of pride in their driving ability. Whether that's on a track or passing a group of cyclists without getting all het up because "they don't pay road tax" or "they held me up for 30 seconds and that's 30 seconds I can't now use for w
king at home"Rather amusingly though the f
kwits assume that because this is a car site, that people will side with them simply because they were in a car and the other person was a bike/cyclist/scooter/invalid mobile. Thankfully that never proves to be the case. The majority call out crap driving regardless. Look at the recent Shmee bashing threadNow don't get it twisted. Whilst out on my bike yesterday I saw 2 or 3 guys on bikes yesterday jump red lights and I shouted at them they were
s for it - they never hear me strangely. Just like I saw a car this evening jump a light so there are selfish dicks on all sides. But I guess most people don't judge an entire type of traveller based on the actions of 1 or 3.Personally I'd like to see the Moderators cut down on these threads. This thread was only started by a troll, but continues in circles. And seeing people legally and blatantly in the wrong constantly trying to justify their actions reflect badly on PH. Whether that's locking them or temp bans for the persistent OPs who seem to have a weird vendetta against bikes and obviously the same vice versa (not that I see too many, maybe I'm not looking hard enough)
Rich, I have to agree with 95% of your post, but there is a huge positive that shines out from this'troll bait' thread and the cauldron the is GG in general... Stick your head above the parapet and declare your inability to deal with other road users safely, expect to have it rightfully dispatched.
Rich_W said:
So yet another 20 page+ thread. With the same usual handful of fkwits trying to blame cyclists for their failure to negotiate past them safely.
I know this is not the majority of road users. I doubt most decent PHers have the same troubles on a daily basis this minority of idiots have. Mainly because I'd like to hope the clientele here take a bit of pride in their driving ability. Whether that's on a track or passing a group of cyclists without getting all het up because "they don't pay road tax" or "they held me up for 30 seconds and that's 30 seconds I can't now use for wking at home"
Rather amusingly though the fkwits assume that because this is a car site, that people will side with them simply because they were in a car and the other person was a bike/cyclist/scooter/invalid mobile. Thankfully that never proves to be the case. The majority call out crap driving regardless. Look at the recent Shmee bashing thread
Now don't get it twisted. Whilst out on my bike yesterday I saw 2 or 3 guys on bikes yesterday jump red lights and I shouted at them they weres for it - they never hear me strangely. Just like I saw a car this evening jump a light so there are selfish dicks on all sides. But I guess most people don't judge an entire type of traveller based on the actions of 1 or 3.
Personally I'd like to see the Moderators cut down on these threads. This thread was only started by a troll, but continues in circles. And seeing people legally and blatantly in the wrong constantly trying to justify their actions reflect badly on PH. Whether that's locking them or temp bans for the persistent OPs who seem to have a weird vendetta against bikes and obviously the same vice versa (not that I see too many, maybe I'm not looking hard enough)
after 30 years of cycling and competing I stopped cycling on the road 10 years ago it became just too dangerous and my wife begged me to stop. I have lost a number of friends and have a few friends who have been left disabled impact with Cars.kwits trying to blame cyclists for their failure to negotiate past them safely.I know this is not the majority of road users. I doubt most decent PHers have the same troubles on a daily basis this minority of idiots have. Mainly because I'd like to hope the clientele here take a bit of pride in their driving ability. Whether that's on a track or passing a group of cyclists without getting all het up because "they don't pay road tax" or "they held me up for 30 seconds and that's 30 seconds I can't now use for w
king at home"Rather amusingly though the f
kwits assume that because this is a car site, that people will side with them simply because they were in a car and the other person was a bike/cyclist/scooter/invalid mobile. Thankfully that never proves to be the case. The majority call out crap driving regardless. Look at the recent Shmee bashing threadNow don't get it twisted. Whilst out on my bike yesterday I saw 2 or 3 guys on bikes yesterday jump red lights and I shouted at them they were
s for it - they never hear me strangely. Just like I saw a car this evening jump a light so there are selfish dicks on all sides. But I guess most people don't judge an entire type of traveller based on the actions of 1 or 3.Personally I'd like to see the Moderators cut down on these threads. This thread was only started by a troll, but continues in circles. And seeing people legally and blatantly in the wrong constantly trying to justify their actions reflect badly on PH. Whether that's locking them or temp bans for the persistent OPs who seem to have a weird vendetta against bikes and obviously the same vice versa (not that I see too many, maybe I'm not looking hard enough)
Cyclists always come of worse than motorists ALWAYS yet some on here still don't understand the carnage a Car can deliver to a human body.
If you have seen a cyclist after a major road traffic accident I guarantee you will for the rest of your life give them time and space regardless of whether or not they are idiots.
JustinF said:
Rich, I have to agree with 95% of your post, but there is a huge positive that shines out from this'troll bait' thread and the cauldron the is GG in general... Stick your head above the parapet and declare your inability to deal with other road users safely, expect to have it rightfully dispatched.
It doesn't change anything though. Jag matey will NEVER admit he was wrong. No matter how many people post and try and engage with him to see the error of his ways.We have a 17yo at work with the same attitude. Never wrong. Lies often. In the end you just have to think "
" and leave him to it. MehJohnnytheboy said:
Perhaps the mods could start by weeding out posters who can't contribute to a thread without getting all potty-mouthed...
Weeding out. I see what you did there florist. 
Potty mouthed or not. I like to think it was relevant and the fact I swore doesn't really change that does it? Funny given I can normally prove a point using a pretty broad vocabulary. I guess todays not the day.
Of course IF you are one of the aforementioned f
kwits who can't drive properly then I guess my opinion of you isn't that high to start with.If of course you can drive around the country without getting annoyed by other road users or feeling the need to post on multiple cycling bashing threads then you have my apologies.
If...
johnxjsc1985 said:
after 30 years of cycling and competing I stopped cycling on the road 10 years ago it became just too dangerous and my wife begged me to stop. I have lost a number of friends and have a few friends who have been left disabled impact with Cars.
Cyclists always come of worse than motorists ALWAYS yet some on here still don't understand the carnage a Car can deliver to a human body.
If you have seen a cyclist after a major road traffic accident I guarantee you will for the rest of your life give them time and space regardless of whether or not they are idiots.
I appreciate that you have some personal experience but the majority of cyclists will be fine. Statistically speaking it is more dangerous per mile than driving but not massively and it isn't anything like as dangerous as motorcycling.Cyclists always come of worse than motorists ALWAYS yet some on here still don't understand the carnage a Car can deliver to a human body.
If you have seen a cyclist after a major road traffic accident I guarantee you will for the rest of your life give them time and space regardless of whether or not they are idiots.
I understand that knowing people who have died will give you a different perspective on the situation but I don't think we should overplay the actual risks.
Devil2575 said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
after 30 years of cycling and competing I stopped cycling on the road 10 years ago it became just too dangerous and my wife begged me to stop. I have lost a number of friends and have a few friends who have been left disabled impact with Cars.
Cyclists always come of worse than motorists ALWAYS yet some on here still don't understand the carnage a Car can deliver to a human body.
If you have seen a cyclist after a major road traffic accident I guarantee you will for the rest of your life give them time and space regardless of whether or not they are idiots.
I appreciate that you have some personal experience but the majority of cyclists will be fine. Statistically speaking it is more dangerous per mile than driving but not massively and it isn't anything like as dangerous as motorcycling.Cyclists always come of worse than motorists ALWAYS yet some on here still don't understand the carnage a Car can deliver to a human body.
If you have seen a cyclist after a major road traffic accident I guarantee you will for the rest of your life give them time and space regardless of whether or not they are idiots.
I understand that knowing people who have died will give you a different perspective on the situation but I don't think we should overplay the actual risks.
Rich_W said:
Johnnytheboy said:
Perhaps the mods could start by weeding out posters who can't contribute to a thread without getting all potty-mouthed...
Weeding out. I see what you did there florist. Potty mouthed or not. I like to think it was relevant and the fact I swore doesn't really change that does it? Funny given I can normally prove a point using a pretty broad vocabulary. I guess todays not the day.
Of course IF you are one of the aforementioned f
kwits who can't drive properly then I guess my opinion of you isn't that high to start with.If of course you can drive around the country without getting annoyed by other road users or feeling the need to post on multiple cycling bashing threads then you have my apologies.
If...
kwit'. I hesitate to use the term "strawman" is it's a bit 'forum', but it's going in that direction.One might equally argue that failing to ride a bike without getting annoyed by other road users, or feel the need to post about it on a car forum makes you a bad cyclist. But I wouldn't do that because it would be a daft generalisation. But at the least the reciprocal point's established.
Plus, along with Yonex earlier in the thread, top marks for trying to base an insult on someone's profile. Always classy...
JustinF said:
Devil2575 said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
after 30 years of cycling and competing I stopped cycling on the road 10 years ago it became just too dangerous and my wife begged me to stop. I have lost a number of friends and have a few friends who have been left disabled impact with Cars.
Cyclists always come of worse than motorists ALWAYS yet some on here still don't understand the carnage a Car can deliver to a human body.
If you have seen a cyclist after a major road traffic accident I guarantee you will for the rest of your life give them time and space regardless of whether or not they are idiots.
I appreciate that you have some personal experience but the majority of cyclists will be fine. Statistically speaking it is more dangerous per mile than driving but not massively and it isn't anything like as dangerous as motorcycling.Cyclists always come of worse than motorists ALWAYS yet some on here still don't understand the carnage a Car can deliver to a human body.
If you have seen a cyclist after a major road traffic accident I guarantee you will for the rest of your life give them time and space regardless of whether or not they are idiots.
I understand that knowing people who have died will give you a different perspective on the situation but I don't think we should overplay the actual risks.
Is it better to be dead because it was someone elses fault or your own?
Johnnytheboy said:
Plus, along with Yonex earlier in the thread, top marks for trying to base an insult on someone's profile. Always classy...
As I said, why would I watch my language when others can make sweeping generalizations about my level of riding, especially as I make as much effort as I can with other traffic, mainly to get on with the enjoyment of cycling.Only on PH.
yonex said:
carlove said:
Why would you not get your daughter a helmet? It's like having your daughter in the car and saying "you don't need a seatbelt", probably with more swearing in your case though.
It's actually not the same at all. I choose to wear one but that is still what it is, a choice not mandatory. I take it you have never ridden a bike at any point in your life, you don't seem to have the slightest clue about the subject. It's not rocket science.Most injuries to adults from riding a bike are caused by impact with other vehicles, and as a result, most injuries are not head related.
For children it's the opposite. They are injured more often when they fall off their bikes, and are more likely to impact their head. Helmets are a much more important safety feature for children than adults.
yonex said:
As I said, why would I watch my language when others can make sweeping generalizations about my level of riding, especially as I make as much effort as I can with other traffic, mainly to get on with the enjoyment of cycling.
Only on PH.
Some just don't get it mate. thats why I mention seeing the results of a car and cyclist collision makes for difficult viewing.Only on PH.
I doubt any motorist goes out with the intention of harming a cyclist ( which is why they don't go to jail for long) so would it be too much to ask to just show a little patience. If the cyclist is being a knob take the higher ground. I would hate it for any PH motorist to have to face the rest of their lives with the knowledge they had caused the death of a cyclist which is what happens when a motorist comes into collision with a cyclist.
There are as many bad cyclists as bad drivers.
As many inconsiderate cyclists as inconsiderate drivers.
As many doltish cyclists as idiotic drivers.
Drivers...
As many inconsiderate cyclists as inconsiderate drivers.
As many doltish cyclists as idiotic drivers.
Drivers...
My old blog said:
Over the past three weeks I have made some casual observations. There are five types of drivers at half five in the morning.
1/ The "I should have gone to bed two hours earlier" type who drive six feet at a time because the can't concentrate enough to see any further up the road. These will SMIDSY you.
2/ The "I've overslept and now I have twenty minutes to drive a forty minute journey". After three cans of Redbull and four Pro-Plus these guys will take back roads to avoid the authorities but don't use them often enough to know the road well. Slowing to 20mph for bends and driving up to 100+mph between corners.
3/ The ones who get out of their boring bed leaving their boring wife (who's probably looking forward to the window cleaner because at least with him the sex isn't as boring), eating a boring breakfast while listening to tiresome FM (Radio 2), only to put on their boring clothes get into their boring car and drive the same boring route every day for the rest of their lives to their boring jobs. All to pay for the children that have been raised so nonchalantly they can hardly be arsed to get up for school let alone have the will or have been encouraged to get a paper round. I call these drivers "Autopilots". They have driven the same route so many times they know if a leaf has moved on the tree outside that house on the corner near the hedge that looks like like a cow. Every bump in the road, every braking point at every corner. They will also SMIDSY you because they're used to you being ten feet further up the road.
4/ The Vigulantees. These drivers get up extra early so they can critique other drivers. The would have joined the I.A.M if it was free. Would have joined the Police if they didn't have that caution for shoplifting Kylies greatest hits from HMV. They're more than happy to shout at cyclist for holding the world up with the classic "I pay road tax" chant just before hitting a line traffic.
5/ Careful and considerate drivers. Who take the time to overtake safely and actually see cyclist in the first place.
Cyclists...1/ The "I should have gone to bed two hours earlier" type who drive six feet at a time because the can't concentrate enough to see any further up the road. These will SMIDSY you.
2/ The "I've overslept and now I have twenty minutes to drive a forty minute journey". After three cans of Redbull and four Pro-Plus these guys will take back roads to avoid the authorities but don't use them often enough to know the road well. Slowing to 20mph for bends and driving up to 100+mph between corners.
3/ The ones who get out of their boring bed leaving their boring wife (who's probably looking forward to the window cleaner because at least with him the sex isn't as boring), eating a boring breakfast while listening to tiresome FM (Radio 2), only to put on their boring clothes get into their boring car and drive the same boring route every day for the rest of their lives to their boring jobs. All to pay for the children that have been raised so nonchalantly they can hardly be arsed to get up for school let alone have the will or have been encouraged to get a paper round. I call these drivers "Autopilots". They have driven the same route so many times they know if a leaf has moved on the tree outside that house on the corner near the hedge that looks like like a cow. Every bump in the road, every braking point at every corner. They will also SMIDSY you because they're used to you being ten feet further up the road.
4/ The Vigulantees. These drivers get up extra early so they can critique other drivers. The would have joined the I.A.M if it was free. Would have joined the Police if they didn't have that caution for shoplifting Kylies greatest hits from HMV. They're more than happy to shout at cyclist for holding the world up with the classic "I pay road tax" chant just before hitting a line traffic.
5/ Careful and considerate drivers. Who take the time to overtake safely and actually see cyclist in the first place.
My old blog said:
Okay having had a crack at drivers here are the the five types of cyclist you get on the roads...
1/ PoB "Pedestrians on Bikes". No lights, reflective gear, helmets or any road sense whatsoever. Ropey, neglected bikes that if there were a pedal powered M.O.T would fail on at least a dozen different things. These are a menace to any other road user even other cyclists. The will turn into traffic without looking or incapable of looking due to wearing a hooded jacket, deliberately wobble when you overtake and if you do hit one they have injury shysters for you on speed-dial.
2/ Ecocyclementalists. Ever stopped at a red light and a tramp looking hippy type on an old basket bike (probably nicked from the nearest Post Office) taps on your window and asked you...
"Why don't you cycle to work? Your car puts out the same amount of Carbon into the atmosphere every day as burning down a football field of trees".
...if so then you have met an ecocyclementalist (or Rob Newman). If you say anything other than...
"Really? How interesting; I'll look into that, or didn't you used to be the funny one in the Mary Whitehouse Experience? How is David Bladybum?".
...they will wobble in front of you for the next half an hour at a steady three to five miles an hour. If you manage to overtake, you will be bombarded with abuse. "You've just killed another tree you sideways with a cabbage!"
Whatever you do, never point out the Carbon footprint of making a bicycle.
3/ DoB's "Drivers on Bikes" or BaC's "Born again Cyclist". New Years Resolutionists, midlife crises and people who can't afford Petrol anymore. As drivers they are well aware of the hazards both the road and cyclist present. Wear more hi-viz than is strictly necessary and are lit up like Blackpool pleasure beach. One problem with DoB's is whatever little things that annoy you in a car with be the most irritating thing in the world when you cycle. I think it's because in a car you're traveling several time the speed you are on a bike so when you see something in a car you barely have enough time to roll your eyes, on a bike you can dwell a little too much about it. Weapon of choice for DoB's (like me) is dual suspension (due to the potholes) mountain bike with slicks or a Hybrid. BaC's are in for a shock. Probably haven't been on the saddle for twenty years and the shock of doing exercise, not being in their nice warm cars and bikes never used to chafe when they were younger. Means for the first couple of weeks they'll be covered in sweat and walking around like a George Michael fan. Needless to say after three weeks they'll be back in their cars waiting for fair weather or the bike will be on eBay.
4/ Lycralists. Usually hunt in packs and ride three or four abreast on country lanes. Several thousand Pounds worth of metal under them. Looking over their shoulders often, not for hazards or traffic but for the imaginary Mario Chipolini, Lance Armstrong, that Scotish bloke who sells Wheatabix (Mark Have-a-dish?) chasing them (other cerials are available and some even taste better than the box). Single L.E.D lights to save as much weight as possible when it gets dark so SMIDSY's waiting to happen and it's never their fault. In towns and cities Lycrlists will not use cycle lanes as they are for lesser cyclists and treat the road like their own private overtaking lane.
5/ Cycle-antees also known as Cycyoutube-ists, Basically a bunch of aholes with cameras strapped to their bikes (front and rear views) or their helmets. If you drive with the tiniest lack of consideration expect your number plate to appear on a YouTube search with "cut me up, tailgated me, left hook, failed to this, failed to that"...
Completely self absorbed and with an air of smugness that makes the Ecocyclementalists look easy going. Preaching the gospel of the "Road Traffic Act" to every single driver they come across who puts a foot wrong and then posting videos of themselves doing between 5 and 10mph over the speed limit in other clips. With the excuse "Section eighty-something of the RTA 1988 says "Motor Vehicles" and cycles don't have engines so we are above the Law" despite the fact you are on the road you are Traffic and since the Road Traffic Act was revised in 2006 to include all Traffic something else you can thank the G-Wizz for. Criticising drivers on one video whilst showing a disregard for the same set of laws in another in my book makes them tts of the highest order. Some even stop and have a go at drivers only to edit the video in such a way the number plate will appear later with "road rage cycle hater" in the title. A classic case of something that started out as a good idea, posting videos to help raise awareness; that has sadly become a battle to get Youtube views and Twitter followers, tuning their commute into a popularity contest for the wrong reasons.
We're as bad as one and other and being a keen cyclist and pretty handy behind the wheel I see both sides and feel as arguments go this is one of the most futile. Drivers and cyclists need to change, look out for each other and ourselves. 1/ PoB "Pedestrians on Bikes". No lights, reflective gear, helmets or any road sense whatsoever. Ropey, neglected bikes that if there were a pedal powered M.O.T would fail on at least a dozen different things. These are a menace to any other road user even other cyclists. The will turn into traffic without looking or incapable of looking due to wearing a hooded jacket, deliberately wobble when you overtake and if you do hit one they have injury shysters for you on speed-dial.
2/ Ecocyclementalists. Ever stopped at a red light and a tramp looking hippy type on an old basket bike (probably nicked from the nearest Post Office) taps on your window and asked you...
"Why don't you cycle to work? Your car puts out the same amount of Carbon into the atmosphere every day as burning down a football field of trees".
...if so then you have met an ecocyclementalist (or Rob Newman). If you say anything other than...
"Really? How interesting; I'll look into that, or didn't you used to be the funny one in the Mary Whitehouse Experience? How is David Bladybum?".
...they will wobble in front of you for the next half an hour at a steady three to five miles an hour. If you manage to overtake, you will be bombarded with abuse. "You've just killed another tree you
sideways with a cabbage!"Whatever you do, never point out the Carbon footprint of making a bicycle.
3/ DoB's "Drivers on Bikes" or BaC's "Born again Cyclist". New Years Resolutionists, midlife crises and people who can't afford Petrol anymore. As drivers they are well aware of the hazards both the road and cyclist present. Wear more hi-viz than is strictly necessary and are lit up like Blackpool pleasure beach. One problem with DoB's is whatever little things that annoy you in a car with be the most irritating thing in the world when you cycle. I think it's because in a car you're traveling several time the speed you are on a bike so when you see something in a car you barely have enough time to roll your eyes, on a bike you can dwell a little too much about it. Weapon of choice for DoB's (like me) is dual suspension (due to the potholes) mountain bike with slicks or a Hybrid. BaC's are in for a shock. Probably haven't been on the saddle for twenty years and the shock of doing exercise, not being in their nice warm cars and bikes never used to chafe when they were younger. Means for the first couple of weeks they'll be covered in sweat and walking around like a George Michael fan. Needless to say after three weeks they'll be back in their cars waiting for fair weather or the bike will be on eBay.
4/ Lycralists. Usually hunt in packs and ride three or four abreast on country lanes. Several thousand Pounds worth of metal under them. Looking over their shoulders often, not for hazards or traffic but for the imaginary Mario Chipolini, Lance Armstrong, that Scotish bloke who sells Wheatabix (Mark Have-a-dish?) chasing them (other cerials are available and some even taste better than the box). Single L.E.D lights to save as much weight as possible when it gets dark so SMIDSY's waiting to happen and it's never their fault. In towns and cities Lycrlists will not use cycle lanes as they are for lesser cyclists and treat the road like their own private overtaking lane.
5/ Cycle-antees also known as Cycyoutube-ists, Basically a bunch of a
holes with cameras strapped to their bikes (front and rear views) or their helmets. If you drive with the tiniest lack of consideration expect your number plate to appear on a YouTube search with "cut me up, tailgated me, left hook, failed to this, failed to that"... Completely self absorbed and with an air of smugness that makes the Ecocyclementalists look easy going. Preaching the gospel of the "Road Traffic Act" to every single driver they come across who puts a foot wrong and then posting videos of themselves doing between 5 and 10mph over the speed limit in other clips. With the excuse "Section eighty-something of the RTA 1988 says "Motor Vehicles" and cycles don't have engines so we are above the Law" despite the fact you are on the road you are Traffic and since the Road Traffic Act was revised in 2006 to include all Traffic something else you can thank the G-Wizz for. Criticising drivers on one video whilst showing a disregard for the same set of laws in another in my book makes them t
ts of the highest order. Some even stop and have a go at drivers only to edit the video in such a way the number plate will appear later with "road rage cycle hater" in the title. A classic case of something that started out as a good idea, posting videos to help raise awareness; that has sadly become a battle to get Youtube views and Twitter followers, tuning their commute into a popularity contest for the wrong reasons.Johnnytheboy said:
I love the logical fallacy that anyone that disagrees with some of the posts from a cycling perspective is automatically a bad driver, sorry 'fkwit'. I hesitate to use the term "strawman" is it's a bit 'forum', but it's going in that direction.
If you can't negotiate past a cyclist, safely whilst adhering to the highway code or law. Then Yes, you are a fkwit'. I hesitate to use the term "strawman" is it's a bit 'forum', but it's going in that direction.kwit. There's no middle ground here 
Either you can or you can't. Ask yourself which one you category you fall into.This isn't anti car/pro bike like you want to make it sound. This is about s
t driving standards. We all know they seem to be getting worse. And of course as you seem to forget I also drive a car. Heaven forbid, so unlike you I have the benefit of seeing the situation from BOTH sides. Someone earlier suggested the anti bike types cycle to work and home once. Give you some perspective.Johnnytheboy said:
One might equally argue that failing to ride a bike without getting annoyed by other road users, or feel the need to post about it on a car forum makes you a bad cyclist. But I wouldn't do that because it would be a daft generalisation. But at the least the reciprocal point's established.
When a car (or ttty bloke on a Honda Crosser like it was last sunday - Given he was showing off to his mates, it was deliberate since he veered back to the centre of the lane afterwards) passes me at 2 foot away at 60mph and quite frankly makes me fear for life/future mobility. Then I fail to see how it can be MY fault? It doesn't happen every day or even every week. But the sooner the s that can't operate a road vehicle properly learn to and stop doing it the happier I will be. 
Everything else doesn't faze me. I'm happy to be overtaken by cars. I stop at red lights. I don't squeeze past cars or damage them. So if I'm making an effort to ride considerately for others. Is it too much to ask for others to give me the same courtesy?As for posting it on a car forum. Well I like cars, I've been on this site longer than you (have a more interesting car history - you'll note it's not listed) and I get sick of threads like this one over and over and over again where certain posters feel the need to decry a cyclist right to be on the road as some personal offence to them. The same, sad, tired, old clowns who every time there's a cycling thread on this site feel the need to roll out the same stereotypes "lycra lout" "don't pay road tax" "jump red lights" "they should have number plates and insurance" etc etc. I'm not saying all cyclists are saints, clearly not. But the majority are fine. So given the majority of car drivers are also fine. Why does there seem to be a correlation between the vocal w
ky ones on forums also being the same ones that feel everyone on the road is less important than them and shouldn't be there?Bottom line to the gobs
tes is simple. No government blue, red, yellow or purple is going to change the way cycling is in the UK in favour of car drivers. So either you can learn to deal with bikes on the road like a grown up or continue to be a wky whiney bd. And if you can't do that eventually you'll see penalties for car drivers going up and up. And as a car driver 6 days a week I'd rather not see the majority penalised because a minority just don't get it.I do wonder if back when Cars started to outnumber horses early 1900s whether the same "arguments" were had? "These cars are a menace with their fumes and racing around"
Johnnytheboy said:
Plus, along with Yonex earlier in the thread, top marks for trying to base an insult on someone's profile. Always classy...
If you didn't want people to know you are a florist. Why would you put it on your profile Darling? xGassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff