Migration into UK soars

[DeanR32]

Yazar said:

Why does she only work part time? why not full time.

The migrant workers are happy to both work fulltime, you lazy brit so and so's.

She fits 2/3 nights per week in whilst looking after our two kids, 5 and 2.

[LucreLout]

Bluebarge said:

Those people eventually need expensive medical care, whereas EU migrants (who largely come here, work and pay taxes, then go home to retire) don't.

Total myth unfortunately. There is zero evidence that most eu migrants return home.
I know at least 8 ladies who won't be because they've married British guys and made a home here. I know none that have left.
Open door immigration does not and has not worked. We need selective rights of entry and we need to move to a visa system rather than residency after no time at all.
Immigration is both necessary and positive, just not the kind of immigration labour gifted us.

[PlankWithANailIn]

The government likes not really being in control of immigration because it enables them to avoid making tough decisions. CMD said he wanted 100,000 a year net in public, behind the scene's the UK governments wants "As many as we can get".

If we had full control of our borders can you imagine the outcry when the yearly target is set at 500,000 with over half being allowed for unskilled workers?

[pork911]

DeanR32 said:

I bought the Nissan Skyline as a gift to myself when I got my first mortgage on a flat.

huh????

[Art0ir]

JagLover said:

oyster said:

The bit I struggle with is the view many people take that it's ok for people from Bristol to take jobs in London, but it's not ok for people from Bulgaria.

No-one buys goods nowadays just because they're British, so why treat labour the same?

In a pure capitalist world where everyone is responsible for the welfare of themselves and there is no welfare available such an approach might be feasible.

In the current UK all that happens is that we subsidise the earnings of the guy from Bulgaria and pay the benefits of the guy from Bristol and find our own housing costs increased by subsidies we are paying for out of our own tax revenue. On pure economic grounds it is a poor deal before we move into the social sphere.

Indeed, Friedman spoke in detail about this for anyone truly interested.

[BlackLabel]

Yeah sure you will Theresa.

telegraph said:

Theresa May, the Home Secretary, has promised that a future Conservative government would reduce immigration to below 100,000 – defying colleagues who say the target cannot be met.

In a move which will burnish her credentials with the right of her party in the event of a future leadership contest, Mrs May reaffirmed the party’s commitment to David Cameron’s “no ifs, no buts” promise to reduce the annual figure to the tens of thousands.

There was embarrassment for the Prime Minister last week when official figures revealed that the Government had missed the target by a substantial margin, with nearly 300,000 entering the UK last year.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11446218/Theresa-May-defies-Cabinet-colleagues-with-pledge-to-meet-migration-target.html

[Mr_B]

She is normally a bit smarter than that. They must really think Tory voters are dumb if they are going to recycle that old line and get away with it. I think she just scored a goal for Ukip.

[Mermaid]

Mr_B said:

She is normally a bit smarter than that. They must really think Tory voters are dumb if they are going to recycle that old line and get away with it. I think she just scored a goal for Ukip.

Sad, but true.


Just say all the entry door are out of order, for the next 5 years.

[JagLover]

Mr_B said:

She is normally a bit smarter than that. They must really think Tory voters are dumb if they are going to recycle that old line and get away with it. I think she just scored a goal for Ukip.

It theoretically can be done.

The UK would have to scrap the human rights act and secure a renegotiation of EU membership to restrict right to free movement.

Only the first of those is Tory policy however.

[KFC]

ATG said:

It was a stupid promise made to attract stupid voters. It was clearly undeliverable. Furthermore delivering it would have been a bad thing. We attract a lot of cheap foreign labour and a lot of extremely highly skilled foreign labour. If that's more competition for our homegrown workers at either end of the skills scale, good. Competition is good. Diversity is good. Anyone who feels threatened by it, tough.

I think anyone who thinks that level of competition at lower end jobs that can't be outsourced out of the UK (say care support staff, builders labourers, fast food workers, office cleaners, etc etc) is good, is completely clueless.

In what way does it benefit UK as a whole if say my uncle (works as a labourer for a building company, 50's, no real other skills) gets priced out of jobs by romanians living 12 to a house. They're working for less than my uncles bills are, so he's now effectively priced out of working altogether and stuck on benefits. So now you're paying his rent and so on. And the Romanians are generally repatriating most of the money they make rather than spending it locally like my uncle would have done.

How can you possibly see a positive in that situation?

[Hooli]

fblm said:

Hooli said:

& the other 90% who are the feckless scum who tend to turn up here expecting a free life?

Who can blame them. For some reason I can't for the life of me understand, that's what you're offering!

I can't blame them, I blame the utterly stupid system that allows them to do it.

[Mrr T]

KFC said:

I think anyone who thinks that level of competition at lower end jobs that can't be outsourced out of the UK (say care support staff, builders labourers, fast food workers, office cleaners, etc etc) is good, is completely clueless.

In what way does it benefit UK as a whole if say my uncle (works as a labourer for a building company, 50's, no real other skills) gets priced out of jobs by romanians living 12 to a house. They're working for less than my uncles bills are, so he's now effectively priced out of working altogether and stuck on benefits. So now you're paying his rent and so on. And the Romanians are generally repatriating most of the money they make rather than spending it locally like my uncle would have done.

How can you possibly see a positive in that situation?

I am not saying this did not happen to your uncle or that it has not happened to others. However, the employment figures, unemployment falling to 5.8% and job vacancies at 2001 level suggests its not happening much.

[MKnight702]

Vee8man said:

Teach our own and end the dream of the Romanian criminals who pour in for the easy pickings.
Otherwise as a nation we are fked.

Apathy among even young teenagers is rife, as in some areas of the UK they see overwhelming evidence that they're unlikely to get a job driving a van/ assembly work/ factory as they have the misfortune of being born British. The greedy agencies tasked with filling these vacancies would rather tap into the endless stream of temporary workers ££££££££££
Shameful.
Really.

I haven't read to the end of the thread yet, however, this is rubbish. How many of these teenagers and the like don't want a low paid, unskilled job because they "deserve" more and get more by being unemployed? We have bred a generation and some of prople whose sense of entitlement outweighs any sense of responsibility and who do not feel the need to work.

[spadriver]

That I mostly agree with, schools need to educate these people so as to get it into thier thick skulls that it doesn't come on a plate.
I have always struggled with the immigration is good for the country thing.The 300, 000 that have just turned up, where are they living, what work are they doing, how much do they spend in the uk before sending money abroad, how much tax do they pay, are they paying thier NH contributions, if so, how much in total, how much does thier health care cost (we know the birth rate of immigrant mothers to be twenty five percent) who pays, have they already paid for the privilege. New comers should pay for any health care recieved, just look at the state of the NHS, how much longer before it collapses altogether.?
So many questions I know, but do these ever get answered by the MPs who should know the answers? Well actually, no.
As others have said the yUK is fked, quite surprised at how quite a few ph members obviously drive around with thier eyes closed!

[anonymous-user]

spadriver said:

That I mostly agree with, schools need to educate these people so as to get it into thier thick skulls that it doesn't come on a plate.

Except it does, that's the problem. In the UK you can live quite comfortably, even raising a family, without ever having a job. Your benefit system that was once a safety net for when you fell on hard times is now a hammock for life.

[Yazar]

MKnight702 said:

I haven't read to the end of the thread yet, however, this is rubbish. How many of these teenagers and the like don't want a low paid, unskilled job because they "deserve" more and get more by being unemployed? We have bred a generation and some of prople whose sense of entitlement outweighs any sense of responsibility and who do not feel the need to work.

Can you quantify this?

Say take a look at how many Brit under 25's there are, how many are actively looking for work or are in work, and how many prefer to be unemployed.

As you may well find that your stereotypical "deserve more" person will be a small minority, probably outweighed just by the youngsters stuck on zero hour contracts at Sports Direct alone! and not a valid pro open border immigration argument.

[pork911]

KFC said:

I think anyone who thinks that level of competition at lower end jobs that can't be outsourced out of the UK (say care support staff, builders labourers, fast food workers, office cleaners, etc etc) is good, is completely clueless.

In what way does it benefit UK as a whole if say my uncle (works as a labourer for a building company, 50's, no real other skills) gets priced out of jobs by romanians living 12 to a house. They're working for less than my uncles bills are, so he's now effectively priced out of working altogether and stuck on benefits. So now you're paying his rent and so on. And the Romanians are generally repatriating most of the money they make rather than spending it locally like my uncle would have done.

How can you possibly see a positive in that situation?

your uncle might learn new skills to adapt to these changing circumstances before his age catches up with him anyway?

[KFC]

pork911 said:

your uncle might learn new skills to adapt to these changing circumstances before his age catches up with him anyway?

I think his age has already caught up with him. Where do you go from here when you're at his age and been in the building trade since leaving school at 15?

And anyway, why should he have had to learn new skills? UK as a whole should have protected him, even purely out of self interest. Nobody wins here, apart from Bogdan and Borat the builders who build a lovely family back home in rural Romania after a few years in UK.

[JensenA]

pork911 said:

KFC said:

I think anyone who thinks that level of competition at lower end jobs that can't be outsourced out of the UK (say care support staff, builders labourers, fast food workers, office cleaners, etc etc) is good, is completely clueless.

In what way does it benefit UK as a whole if say my uncle (works as a labourer for a building company, 50's, no real other skills) gets priced out of jobs by romanians living 12 to a house. They're working for less than my uncles bills are, so he's now effectively priced out of working altogether and stuck on benefits. So now you're paying his rent and so on. And the Romanians are generally repatriating most of the money they make rather than spending it locally like my uncle would have done.

How can you possibly see a positive in that situation?

your uncle might learn new skills to adapt to these changing circumstances before his age catches up with him anyway?

A typical comment from someone who is totally out of touch with reality. His Uncle was probably perfectly happy in his job, the country the building trade. But a man of 50, with years of skill and experience, more than likely married, with a mortgage, financially managing his way, is suddenly out out of work because Romanians, living 12 to a house, paying a tenner a week in rent, can undercut his Uncles wages. So suddenly a hard working responsible British worker is thrown on the scrap heap. Easy solution, just retrain! What as? A Doctor? An IT specialist? A financial consultant?

[wc98]

JensenA said:

A typical comment from someone who is totally out of touch with reality. His Uncle was probably perfectly happy in his job, the country the building trade. But a man of 50, with years of skill and experience, more than likely married, with a mortgage, financially managing his way, is suddenly out out of work because Romanians, living 12 to a house, paying a tenner a week in rent, can undercut his Uncles wages. So suddenly a hard working responsible British worker is thrown on the scrap heap. Easy solution, just retrain! What as? A Doctor? An IT specialist? A financial consultant?

the problem here is your average male office/it worker, having no experience of making st,building st that takes physical ability and a not inconsiderate time to acquire the necessary skills, thinks that because their skills are transferable to lots of other office based work with minimum retraining required everyone else should be the same.

always gives me a laugh that people that are doing the modern version of what secretaries used to do seem to have such great thought for the value of their own abilities,and such disregard for that of others.

(disclaimer,not all office based males are doing girls jobs, just most of them )