Does Porsche have a car which will match the new R8 ?

Does Porsche have a car which will match the new R8 ?

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Carl_Docklands

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261 months

Thursday 26th February 2015
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wow, just reading the specs of the new R8 V10 Plus.

610BHP, 9,000rpm red-line V10 NA Engine, 4WD - £127k (I assume £150k all in).

I don't think Porsche have a car which directly competes with it in that price bracket ? Come to think of it, neither does ferrari. What is Porsche's strategy on this? surely the 991 GTS does not have the onions to compete with this new car ?

flow99

1,242 posts

207 months

Thursday 26th February 2015
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what about 991TTS?

PorscheGT4

21,146 posts

264 months

Thursday 26th February 2015
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It's 140k for the plus + options.

I was close the buying a v10 plus for £85k then the GT4 was launched.

£140k is now quite a bit of cash !

V8KSN

4,711 posts

183 months

Thursday 26th February 2015
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PorscheGT4 said:
It's 140k for the plus + options.

I was close the buying a v10 plus for £85k then the GT4 was launched.

£140k is now quite a bit of cash !
I thought the V10 Plus is S-Tronic only...?

Manual V10 looks quite a bargain for £60k

IMIA

9,410 posts

200 months

Thursday 26th February 2015
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there's a mid engined Porsche due out on same platform as H and R8 isn't there? Been touted for ages...£200k

PorscheGT4

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Thursday 26th February 2015
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V8KSN said:
I thought the V10 Plus is S-Tronic only...?

Manual V10 looks quite a bargain for £60k
It is, I don't mind automatics as long as I have a manual toy, just fancy a change and a bit of performance.
It's a fast car with old school NA feel and steering, the dsg makes it a bit of a weapon.

But the GT4 is coming now so that's that.

Freakuk

3,105 posts

150 months

Thursday 26th February 2015
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Didn't the Cayman GTS post the same time or faster on TG last week than the current R8 V10?

IMIA

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200 months

Thursday 26th February 2015
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PorscheGT4 said:
It's 140k for the plus + options.

I was close the buying a v10 plus for £85k then the GT4 was launched.

£140k is now quite a bit of cash !
that sounds a brill deal. what year was that?

PorscheGT4

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264 months

Thursday 26th February 2015
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IMIA said:
that sounds a brill deal. what year was that?
2013 they did not come out till late, was at my local Audi dealer , but was that dirty orange so did not buy it.

If it were Suzuka grey then I would have done the man maths.

They seem to have gone up a bit the last 6 months, but £90k should get a Plus model.

IMIA

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Thursday 26th February 2015
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PorscheGT4 said:
IMIA said:
that sounds a brill deal. what year was that?
2013 they did not come out till late, was at my local Audi dealer , but was that dirty orange so did not buy it.

If it were Suzuka grey then I would have done the man maths.

They seem to have gone up a bit the last 6 months, but £90k should get a Plus model.
Its brill car but at that level you'd be better off paying bit more and having the drama of a 458 imo. May be 3-4 years older but who cares. 430 manual coupe also tempting

flow99

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207 months

Thursday 26th February 2015
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PorscheGT4 said:
V8KSN said:
I thought the V10 Plus is S-Tronic only...?

Manual V10 looks quite a bargain for £60k
It is, I don't mind automatics as long as I have a manual toy, just fancy a change and a bit of performance.
It's a fast car with old school NA feel and steering, the dsg makes it a bit of a weapon.

But the GT4 is coming now so that's that.
V10 Plus is available in manual and s-tronic boxes, with most being specced with the s-tronic.

Bieldside

583 posts

198 months

Thursday 26th February 2015
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They will have but at £250k

Nimerino

295 posts

112 months

Friday 27th February 2015
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Surely the question is the opposite of that stated in the topic: does Audi have a car to compete with the Porsche 911?

The original R8 V8 was a perfect alternative to a 911 Carrera (4)S for those who didn't insist on 4 seats. Instead they got a mid-engined, 4-wheel-drive sports car with a high-revving V8 for almost exactly the same price as the 911. Many (myself included) consider that early, manual V8 to be the best R8 made, and possibly the best Audi.

The V10 competed more closely with the 911 Turbo, and pulled the same trick of offering nearly the same performance as something like a Ferrari or a Lambo, for significantly less outlay.

The new one, at €165k, is exactly the same price as the 991 Turbo, but that's the start of the range. To me it seems Audi are conceding the fight at the more relevant (through volume) lower end of the market to Porsche. Either they simply can't profitably produce a sports car of that quality and at that price, or VAG have instituted a hierarchy of sorts, with Porsche below Audi below Lambo. That seems to be the wrong way round when juxtaposed with brand cachet, and will be thrown for a loop when the mid-engined Porsche arrives.

It's a curious set of decisions, particularly when the Audi looks like a child's version of the old R8, and the Lambo offers seemingly nothing other than brand to justify its price hike over the Audi.

IMIA

9,410 posts

200 months

Friday 27th February 2015
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Nimerino said:
Surely the question is the opposite of that stated in the topic: does Audi have a car to compete with the Porsche 911?

The original R8 V8 was a perfect alternative to a 911 Carrera (4)S for those who didn't insist on 4 seats. Instead they got a mid-engined, 4-wheel-drive sports car with a high-revving V8 for almost exactly the same price as the 911. Many (myself included) consider that early, manual V8 to be the best R8 made, and possibly the best Audi.

The V10 competed more closely with the 911 Turbo, and pulled the same trick of offering nearly the same performance as something like a Ferrari or a Lambo, for significantly less outlay.

The new one, at €165k, is exactly the same price as the 991 Turbo, but that's the start of the range. To me it seems Audi are conceding the fight at the more relevant (through volume) lower end of the market to Porsche. Either they simply can't profitably produce a sports car of that quality and at that price, or VAG have instituted a hierarchy of sorts, with Porsche below Audi below Lambo. That seems to be the wrong way round when juxtaposed with brand cachet, and will be thrown for a loop when the mid-engined Porsche arrives.

It's a curious set of decisions, particularly when the Audi looks like a child's version of the old R8, and the Lambo offers seemingly nothing other than brand to justify its price hike over the Audi.
Porsche 918

I think Porsche rules the roost on all sports car decision making but perhaps thats changed. Audi were certainly miffed a few years ago.

thegoat46

126 posts

161 months

Friday 27th February 2015
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Looks lovely, but Audi have said only people who have bought an audi before can have one. You need to at least have bought an a1, s3, a4 before. They also need a loi, once they know how many people are interest they'll half supply.

m444ttb

3,160 posts

228 months

Friday 27th February 2015
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IMIA said:
there's a mid engined Porsche due out on same platform as H and R8 isn't there? Been touted for ages...£200k
Due before the end of the decade isn't it? Maybe as early as 2017 at a motorshow. I'm guessing it will use a version of the next gen V8 that will feature in the Panam, Cayenne, and possible 'new 928'. Although i always liked the turbocharged flat 8 rumours.

IMIA

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200 months

Friday 27th February 2015
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m444ttb said:
IMIA said:
there's a mid engined Porsche due out on same platform as H and R8 isn't there? Been touted for ages...£200k
Due before the end of the decade isn't it? Maybe as early as 2017 at a motorshow. I'm guessing it will use a version of the next gen V8 that will feature in the Panam, Cayenne, and possible 'new 928'. Although i always liked the turbocharged flat 8 rumours.
I thought it was variant of the 918s engine without all the electric hybrid stuff. Proper motorsport engine. Shame if they use a run of the mill V8 especially at £250k with a few options

PorscheGT4

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Friday 27th February 2015
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IMIA said:
Its brill car but at that level you'd be better off paying bit more and having the drama of a 458 imo. May be 3-4 years older but who cares.
458 is £135k lol that's way off £85k unless you can sub me the £50k short fall and I'll go and buy the 458 tomorrow!

IMIA

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Friday 27th February 2015
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PorscheGT4 said:
IMIA said:
Its brill car but at that level you'd be better off paying bit more and having the drama of a 458 imo. May be 3-4 years older but who cares.
458 is £135k lol that's way off £85k unless you can sub be the £50k short fall !
458 should be £100k for a 2010 car soon fingers crossed. But I've been wishing that for years. Pure porn that car.

Carl_Docklands

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261 months

Friday 27th February 2015
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nim: my favourite mag, Evo, they group test the r8 v10 plus against the 458 and the mclaren. more than once I recall. the r8 holds its own every time in the head to heads, they only tend to test the r8 v8 against th 991 and I don't recall a sweeping victory for the Porsche. on the technicals, the r8 GT was a very competent car turning in some great times.

Mr. Meaden swears by the r8 (albeit manual), I trust his opinion and I find the new external and internal styling appealing. I think the key thing though is the engine, it surely outclasses anything Porsche currently have in the 911 toolbox. the specs look so good, even against the 488 gtb.

I have always enjoyed listening to the r8 at Sunday service but have lamented the seats, luggage space and mpg (I tour a lot and these are important elements), I have some seat time under my belt in both r8 v8 variants (unlike the mclarens) and I was not sold but I am willing to give the new car another go on launch because of the engine.