Discussion
anonymous said:
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My point is Moose, when buying an older car there are more important things to consider than a leather wrapped dashboard and the prefect colour, having the best condition example I could find would be more important, and should be to anybody buying a 15 year old car.I'm not poo pooing leather interior, but in a car for driving it is so low down the list for me it becomes irrelevant, if I was buying a Rolls Royce then I'd expect leather.
Like I said earlier if you're into that then fill your boots, for a lot of people though it just doesn't add any thing for them and I can understand why, no right or wrong answer.
anonymous said:
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Totally agree. Would not have a porsche without it. I would discount any car without it on a second hand search.I think it should be standard on a premium product to be honest.
Without it I think the interiors look very cheap.
I regret not getting the leather sun visor option on the Spyder because the standard items are pretty nasty plasticky items.
DS240 said:
Totally agree. Would not have a porsche without it. I would discount any car without it on a second hand search.
I think it should be standard on a premium product to be honest.
Without it I think the interiors look very cheap.
I regret not getting the leather sun visor option on the Spyder because the standard items are pretty nasty plasticky items.
I think where we are getting confused is this 'premium' view of leather. Its folly. I personally dont like leather at all, and I would rather not have it on the seats either, I just dont like it much. In fact, I dont think leather has any place in a car.I think it should be standard on a premium product to be honest.
Without it I think the interiors look very cheap.
I regret not getting the leather sun visor option on the Spyder because the standard items are pretty nasty plasticky items.
But I accept that is only my view and many others obviously like leather.
WOW.....Oh I'm the OP btw.
Scored bores, had something like that many years ago after a visit to Cairo in my Aircraft Carrier!
Full leather/part leather. Whats the differance on "my" car. Also one nice chap pointed out the ad said cruise but both he and I cant see the lower right stalk that controls it.
On another porker website, a porsche "guru", said...." On cars of these age they typically need a suspension refresh, wheel bearings, gear linkages, tie rods to actually drive like a porsche." Is he right?
And another..." The £1500-£2000 Topbox quoted was the average amount spent on the car in the first year of maintainance as no matter how mint a car is according to the seller, there's always 3 or 4 things that need sorting to bring them to A1".
Now....I'm not a brain surgeon or an astronaut BUT buying a car that is being resold by the same dealership that sold it to the current owner many yrs ago, servicing it and then doing a (god knows how many "point" checks, MOTing it, new tyres etc etc. I would have thought that 1500-2000 etc to "bring it up to scratch" is a bit of a head scratch.
Also IF they sold it on, after the above, and it turned out to be a complete lemon, why would they A, offer 6 months warranty and B, dare risk the chance of me crying loud and clear for all the hear and take the risk of a backlash to their reputation.
Or am I being soooooooooooooo naive.
Scored bores, had something like that many years ago after a visit to Cairo in my Aircraft Carrier!
Full leather/part leather. Whats the differance on "my" car. Also one nice chap pointed out the ad said cruise but both he and I cant see the lower right stalk that controls it.
On another porker website, a porsche "guru", said...." On cars of these age they typically need a suspension refresh, wheel bearings, gear linkages, tie rods to actually drive like a porsche." Is he right?
And another..." The £1500-£2000 Topbox quoted was the average amount spent on the car in the first year of maintainance as no matter how mint a car is according to the seller, there's always 3 or 4 things that need sorting to bring them to A1".
Now....I'm not a brain surgeon or an astronaut BUT buying a car that is being resold by the same dealership that sold it to the current owner many yrs ago, servicing it and then doing a (god knows how many "point" checks, MOTing it, new tyres etc etc. I would have thought that 1500-2000 etc to "bring it up to scratch" is a bit of a head scratch.
Also IF they sold it on, after the above, and it turned out to be a complete lemon, why would they A, offer 6 months warranty and B, dare risk the chance of me crying loud and clear for all the hear and take the risk of a backlash to their reputation.
Or am I being soooooooooooooo naive.
mikal83 said:
WOW.....Oh I'm the OP btw.
Scored bores, had something like that many years ago after a visit to Cairo in my Aircraft Carrier!
Full leather/part leather. Whats the differance on "my" car. Also one nice chap pointed out the ad said cruise but both he and I cant see the lower right stalk that controls it.
On another porker website, a porsche "guru", said...." On cars of these age they typically need a suspension refresh, wheel bearings, gear linkages, tie rods to actually drive like a porsche." Is he right?
And another..." The £1500-£2000 Topbox quoted was the average amount spent on the car in the first year of maintainance as no matter how mint a car is according to the seller, there's always 3 or 4 things that need sorting to bring them to A1".
Now....I'm not a brain surgeon or an astronaut BUT buying a car that is being resold by the same dealership that sold it to the current owner many yrs ago, servicing it and then doing a (god knows how many "point" checks, MOTing it, new tyres etc etc. I would have thought that 1500-2000 etc to "bring it up to scratch" is a bit of a head scratch.
Also IF they sold it on, after the above, and it turned out to be a complete lemon, why would they A, offer 6 months warranty and B, dare risk the chance of me crying loud and clear for all the hear and take the risk of a backlash to their reputation.
Or am I being soooooooooooooo naive.
I think it's also safe to assume that a car of this age will need bits doing to it (he says just having picked his Mondeo up from the garage and stung £200 for a wheel bearing) - some people still get the hump when cars need fixing, my dear other half for instance... Scored bores, had something like that many years ago after a visit to Cairo in my Aircraft Carrier!
Full leather/part leather. Whats the differance on "my" car. Also one nice chap pointed out the ad said cruise but both he and I cant see the lower right stalk that controls it.
On another porker website, a porsche "guru", said...." On cars of these age they typically need a suspension refresh, wheel bearings, gear linkages, tie rods to actually drive like a porsche." Is he right?
And another..." The £1500-£2000 Topbox quoted was the average amount spent on the car in the first year of maintainance as no matter how mint a car is according to the seller, there's always 3 or 4 things that need sorting to bring them to A1".
Now....I'm not a brain surgeon or an astronaut BUT buying a car that is being resold by the same dealership that sold it to the current owner many yrs ago, servicing it and then doing a (god knows how many "point" checks, MOTing it, new tyres etc etc. I would have thought that 1500-2000 etc to "bring it up to scratch" is a bit of a head scratch.
Also IF they sold it on, after the above, and it turned out to be a complete lemon, why would they A, offer 6 months warranty and B, dare risk the chance of me crying loud and clear for all the hear and take the risk of a backlash to their reputation.
Or am I being soooooooooooooo naive.
Thats not to say you WILL spend £1500-2000 per year on it, my dad's car hasn't required any more than 2 new rear tyres in the last 18 months and it's the same car and same mileage.
Suspension doesn't really wear so much with age (apart from rubber parts perishing) its more down to mileage and the potentially the way it's been driven. Most normal cars shouldn't require a complete suspension refresh at 50k, maybe the tie rods as they are a known week point in the 986/987 but thats not a mega bucks job.
anonymous said:
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My only gripe with it is that the textured paint does not wear well, and I'm having all kinds of fun sourcing a suitable paint to respray it with. FWIW it does not photgraph well so looks very similar to standard.
Sport Design was a £2000 option when new so "cheap" it aint...
Beanoir said:
I've got minimal leather in the R and thats the way it should be IMO, even the buckets seats are 'leatherette' and alcantara.
Leather makes no sense: hot in Summer, cold in winter unless you add seat heaters- (more weight and cost.)leather is also slippery in the bends.I specced non-s seats in my S so that I'd have alcantara.
I think the only reason to have leather is that, with childmess, it's easier to clean. Or to impress your non-driving friends.
mollytherocker said:
I think where we are getting confused is this 'premium' view of leather. Its folly. I personally dont like leather at all, and I would rather not have it on the seats either, I just dont like it much. In fact, I dont think leather has any place in a car.
But I accept that is only my view and many others obviously like leather.
I concur.But I accept that is only my view and many others obviously like leather.
ilduce said:
Leather makes no sense: hot in Summer, cold in winter unless you add seat heaters- (more weight and cost.)leather is also slippery in the bends.
I specced non-s seats in my S so that I'd have alcantara.
I think the only reason to have leather is that, with childmess, it's easier to clean. Or to impress your non-driving friends.
Have to agree. But we must be in a minority - I never saw a 981 without leather faced seats when I was looking - and it was an option then, but doesn't seem to be now.I specced non-s seats in my S so that I'd have alcantara.
I think the only reason to have leather is that, with childmess, it's easier to clean. Or to impress your non-driving friends.
bcr5784 said:
Have to agree. But we must be in a minority - I never saw a 981 without leather faced seats when I was looking - and it was an option then, but doesn't seem to be now.
Here we are, sir....my 981 which I specc'd with standard alcantara. You can still spec like this according to the configurator...
bcr5784 said:
But it's not available on the S configurator now - but was 12 months ago as a costed extra. I was looking at both 981s and Ss then.
Yes, so I see.....that's frustrating for any potential 'S' clients. The alcantara looks so much nicer than the leather. Perhaps Porsche will start asking a premium for Alcantara.....oh....they already do!!!
anonymous said:
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I certainly appreciate the quality of the 993. I just dont equate leather to quality. I am more interested in the mechanical integrity and uncompromising design. Leather and wood reminds me of stuffy and smokey mens clubs and Rovers bought for status.
Its just not what I want in a Porsche.
mollytherocker said:
Leather and wood reminds me of stuffy and smokey mens clubs and Rovers bought for status.
Ha....that's hit the nail on the head for me. When I get in older cars covered in leather, that's exactly what they smell like....a crusty old mens club.A chum bought a well kept 993s and it still smelt new, like my uncles Ford RS2000 when he bought it factory fresh back in the 70's.
mollytherocker said:
I certainly appreciate the quality of the 993. I just dont equate leather to quality. I am more interested in the mechanical integrity and uncompromising design.
Leather and wood reminds me of stuffy and smokey mens clubs and Rovers bought for status.
Its just not what I want in a Porsche.
I think the problem for those of us who really would rather NOT have leather is that if we spec a car without it will make the car more difficult to sell later - because clearly most buyers do want leather. I have the same problem with PCM. It really grieves me to pay (in reality) £3000 for a Sat nav, particularly one without speed cameras - but it's my perception that without it it will be more difficult to sell later. I think 20" wheels fall in the same category for me - I don't want them, but clearly a large proportion of buyers do.Leather and wood reminds me of stuffy and smokey mens clubs and Rovers bought for status.
Its just not what I want in a Porsche.
bcr5784 said:
I think the problem for those of us who really would rather NOT have leather is that if we spec a car without it will make the car more difficult to sell later - because clearly most buyers do want leather. I have the same problem with PCM. It really grieves me to pay (in reality) £3000 for a Sat nav, particularly one without speed cameras - but it's my perception that without it it will be more difficult to sell later. I think 20" wheels fall in the same category for me - I don't want them, but clearly a large proportion of buyers do.
I can answer this for you.Every option ever invented or sold has been a net cost that has not been recovered. Its a pure sales tactic that you need certain options to sell a car. Options are far more profitable than cars.
Lets say you throw 15k of options on a new 911. I can assure you that at the very most you will recover 5k of that at say 3 years.
You lost 10k.
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