Legality of slip road speed traps

Legality of slip road speed traps

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Chim

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Thursday 26th February 2015
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Daughter has just came in complaining about a Police traffic car being parked diagonally on the slip road on to our local Bypass, it got me thinking, this does seem like a very dangerous position and I would question the legality of them sitting there. This appears to be a very common manoeuvre now for them, with the car parked at a diagonal on the inside lane of the slip road in order for them to have the gun pointed out the window. In this instance they did not even have blues on to the rear to warn traffic coming on to the slip. Now correct me if I am wrong here but I imagine that parking of any form on a motorway slip is illegal as its obviously very dangerous.

Would be interested to hear the views on this and the legality of it.

ging84

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Thursday 26th February 2015
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depends
was he wearing his hat?

vonhosen

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217 months

Thursday 26th February 2015
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What do you think the offence he is committing is?

Which was it?
A bypass?
Or a motorway slip?


Chim

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Thursday 26th February 2015
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Causing an obstruction, illegal parking, hazardous parking. Could be any one of those. I would imagine if i stopped to have my lucch on the same slip road they would not be long in finding the relevant offence.
This was a bypass slip, I have though seen the same on Motorway slips

vonhosen

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217 months

Thursday 26th February 2015
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Chim said:
Causing an obstruction, illegal parking, hazardous parking. Could be any one of those. I would imagine if i stopped to have my lucch on the same slip road they would not be long in finding the relevant offence.
This was a bypass slip, I have though seen the same on Motorway slips
They are exempt from motorway regs etc, you wouldn't be.

Chim

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Thursday 26th February 2015
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Quick google reveals this

Stopping and parking
When you stop and park, make sure you always park somewhere safe. It's important that you can be seen by others, as this will make your vehicle more secure. You must not block traffic and must pose no risk to anyone else. You should use the parking areas at truck stops, motorway service areas or car parks reserved for overnight use.
Parking at entry or exit slip roads is strictly forbidden. It is also forbidden to stop or park on hard shoulders unless it is an emergency

So if the above is correct why are speed traps exempt from this, it is obviously considered as a very hazardous thing to do, this then begs the question as to why it would appear not be a very hazardous thing to do because you are driving a patrol car.

Chim

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Thursday 26th February 2015
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vonhosen said:
They are exempt from motorway regs etc, you wouldn't be.
No one is "exempt" from the law, particularly not the Police, there be be special circumstances that allow them to act outside in in certain situation. They are though not exempt.

threadlock

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254 months

Thursday 26th February 2015
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Chim said:
Would be interested to hear the views on this and the legality of it.
My view: stop whining about the police and let them get on with their job. I hope vonhosen will handle the legal side of your enquiry (if you're prepared to listen). smile

Chim

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Thursday 26th February 2015
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threadlock said:
Chim said:
Would be interested to hear the views on this and the legality of it.
My view: stop whining about the police and let them get on with their job. I hope vonhosen will handle the legal side of your enquiry. smile
At which point did I whine about the Police, I asked for opinions on a particular situation, if you have nothing useful to add then ps off

vonhosen

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217 months

Thursday 26th February 2015
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Chim said:
Quick google reveals this

Stopping and parking
When you stop and park, make sure you always park somewhere safe. It's important that you can be seen by others, as this will make your vehicle more secure. You must not block traffic and must pose no risk to anyone else. You should use the parking areas at truck stops, motorway service areas or car parks reserved for overnight use.
Parking at entry or exit slip roads is strictly forbidden. It is also forbidden to stop or park on hard shoulders unless it is an emergency

So if the above is correct why are speed traps exempt from this, it is obviously considered as a very hazardous thing to do, this then begs the question as to why it would appear not be a very hazardous thing to do because you are driving a patrol car.
Driving a Police car down Oxford Street on blue lights & two tones during the rush hour might be considered a hazardous thing, but a necessary part of the role.
Of course you wouldn't be allowed to do that, but they can.
Did somebody miss the reflective materials all over it & nearly hit it?
Was it preventing them getting down the road?

mph1977

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168 months

Thursday 26th February 2015
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Chim said:
vonhosen said:
They are exempt from motorway regs etc, you wouldn't be.
No one is "exempt" from the law, particularly not the Police, there be be special circumstances that allow them to act outside in in certain situation. They are though not exempt.
I don;t think you Understand (or is that Stand Under) the relevant legislation ... there are numerous exemptions open to the Emergency Services and the HA/HE Traffic Officer service .

Chim

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Thursday 26th February 2015
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mph1977 said:
Chim said:
vonhosen said:
They are exempt from motorway regs etc, you wouldn't be.
No one is "exempt" from the law, particularly not the Police, there be be special circumstances that allow them to act outside in in certain situation. They are though not exempt.
I don;t think you Understand (or is that Stand Under) the relevant legislation ... there are numerous exemptions open to the Emergency Services and the HA/HE Traffic Officer service .
No, I dont understand it, hence the question. From a joe public perspective it seems like a very dangerous place to carry out this type of exercise and the current legislation for slip roads appears to back up this assertion.

vonhosen

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Thursday 26th February 2015
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Chim said:
vonhosen said:
They are exempt from motorway regs etc, you wouldn't be.
No one is "exempt" from the law, particularly not the Police, there be be special circumstances that allow them to act outside in in certain situation. They are though not exempt.
The law specifically exempts them from lots of it's provisions, so they aren't breaking the law as it has itself exempted them within it.
The exemptions are usually very wooly such as, exempt for a Police purpose, were they not performing a Police purpose?

vonhosen

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Thursday 26th February 2015
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Eg All motorway regs


Regulation 16 of the Motorways Traffic (England and Wales) Regulations 1982 provides for exemptions to and the relaxation of these Regulations.

16(1) Nothing in the foregoing provisions of these Regulations shall preclude any person from using a motorway otherwise than in accordance with the provisions in any of the following circumstances, that is to say -

(d) where he does so in the exercise of his duty as a constable a traffic officer when in uniform, as a member of the National Crime Agency for the purposes of that Agency, or as a member of an ambulance service or as an employee of of a fire and rescue authority employed for the purposes of that authority;

threadlock

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254 months

Thursday 26th February 2015
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Chim said:
No, I dont understand it, hence the question. From a joe public perspective it seems like a very dangerous place to carry out this type of exercise and the current legislation for slip roads appears to back up this assertion.
Stop whining.

Chim

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Thursday 26th February 2015
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threadlock said:
Stop whining.
ps off

threadlock

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Thursday 26th February 2015
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Chim said:
ps off
hehe

SK425

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Thursday 26th February 2015
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vonhosen said:
(d) where he does so in the exercise of his duty as a constable a traffic officer when in uniform,
So he does have to be wearing his hat!

smile

vonhosen

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Thursday 26th February 2015
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SK425 said:
vonhosen said:
(d) where he does so in the exercise of his duty as a constable a traffic officer when in uniform,
So he does have to be wearing his hat!

smile
A traffic officer has to be in uniform (Highways agency Traffic officer), a constable doesn't have to be in uniform.

Mopar440

410 posts

112 months

Thursday 26th February 2015
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Hey, give the OP a break! He's posted a very valid question and just received the usual PH bo||ocks from the usual suspects, including "of the trousers".

But someone please explain why a police car would be situated on a slip road on to a (presumably) NSL road, apparently trying to catch people speeding? Are the slip roads not designed for drivers to accelerate up to an appropriate speed to enter the NSL carriageway?