M40 Seizure of Speeeeding Ferrari

M40 Seizure of Speeeeding Ferrari

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TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

125 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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LoonR1 said:
I know, but it doesn't say the driver was German
True.

But it is illegal for a UK resident to drive a foreign-plated car. So, since the car was on German plates and therefore insurance, and the driver wouldn't have been a UK resident, it's unlikely (but not impossible) they had a UK policy giving them CIHAGM cover.

LoonR1

26,988 posts

176 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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TooMany2cvs said:
True.

But it is illegal for a UK resident to drive a foreign-plated car. So, since the car was on German plates and therefore insurance, and the driver wouldn't have been a UK resident, it's unlikely (but not impossible) they had a UK policy giving them CIHAGM cover.
I'm pretty certain it's also illegal not to have a driving licence, so I can't see the driver being overly fussed about other rules. Either way his car's gone and I've little sympathy for those driving without a licence or potentially insurance.

Oh and what's CIHAGM?

allergictocheese

1,290 posts

112 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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TooMany2cvs said:
True.

But it is illegal for a UK resident to drive a foreign-plated car.
Perhaps you'd like to link to the relevant legislation?

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

125 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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allergictocheese said:
TooMany2cvs said:
But it is illegal for a UK resident to drive a foreign-plated car.
Perhaps you'd like to link to the relevant legislation?
Yes, there's some caveats...

But I believe it comes under Chapter 3 of the 1968 Vienna Convention on Road Traffic. That gives agreements for temporary importation, which don't extend to residents using foreign-registered vehicles. It's probably wrapped in various bits of C&U and RTA, too.

BertBert

18,953 posts

210 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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LoonR1 said:
I'm pretty certain it's also illegal not to have a driving licence, so I can't see the driver being overly fussed about other rules. Either way his car's gone and I've little sympathy for those driving without a licence or potentially insurance.

Oh and what's CIHAGM?
I was wondering about the car. The report doesn't say it was impounded, just put in a safe place.
Is it really illegal for a UK resident to drive a foreign plated car? First Ive heard of it.
Bert

covboy

2,573 posts

173 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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allergictocheese said:
Perhaps you'd like to link to the relevant legislation?
Don’t know what the legislation is, but the Police in the midlands have daily reports of their big purge on cars being seized through either being driven on foreign plates by UK nationals or by foreign nationals “forgetting” to pay the relevant VED

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

125 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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LoonR1 said:
Oh and what's CIHAGM?
Can I Have A Go, Mate?

krallicious

4,312 posts

204 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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BertBert said:
I was wondering about the car. The report doesn't say it was impounded, just put in a safe place.
Is it really illegal for a UK resident to drive a foreign plated car? First Ive heard of it.
Bert
It is an area of varying shades of grey and depends on the interpretation of the officer who stops you.

robinessex

11,046 posts

180 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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Can't see any numberplate on the photo of the car

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

125 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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robinessex said:
Can't see any numberplate on the photo of the car
...and how many PH threads have there been with people justifying not having front plates, especially on exotica, on the grounds of cosmetics?

Utterpiffle

831 posts

179 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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allergictocheese said:
TooMany2cvs said:
True.

But it is illegal for a UK resident to drive a foreign-plated car.
Perhaps you'd like to link to the relevant legislation?
I'm UK resident, but work in Germany. Sometimes I might rent a German car and drive home for the weekend.

Greendubber

13,128 posts

202 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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covboy said:
Don’t know what the legislation is, but the Police in the midlands have daily reports of their big purge on cars being seized through either being driven on foreign plates by UK nationals or by foreign nationals “forgetting” to pay the relevant VED
Correct although most of them are seized for insurance and licence offences. The operation was aimed at the ancient eastern european motors that have been here years with no documentation.


littleredrooster

5,523 posts

195 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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BertBert said:
I was wondering about the car. The report doesn't say it was impounded, just put in a safe place.
Erm...
Report said:
...Thames Valley Police impounded the supercar...<snip>...so the car was seized and he was dropped off at the nearest point of safety
Think you may have mixed two things up?

allergictocheese

1,290 posts

112 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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TooMany2cvs said:
Yes, there's some caveats...

But I believe it comes under Chapter 3 of the 1968 Vienna Convention on Road Traffic. That gives agreements for temporary importation, which don't extend to residents using foreign-registered vehicles. It's probably wrapped in various bits of C&U and RTA, too.
The point I am trying to make is that driving a foreign registered / plated car as a UK resident is not an offence of itself. A UK resident might be entertaining foreign visiting guests who bring their car with them and allows him to drive it. Alternatively the UK resident may work abroad and have a foreign registered company vehicle which he uses occasionally in the UK.

There is no point-blank prohibition of UK resident drivers driving non-UK registered vehicles on our roads.

JB!

5,254 posts

179 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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allergictocheese said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Yes, there's some caveats...

But I believe it comes under Chapter 3 of the 1968 Vienna Convention on Road Traffic. That gives agreements for temporary importation, which don't extend to residents using foreign-registered vehicles. It's probably wrapped in various bits of C&U and RTA, too.
The point I am trying to make is that driving a foreign registered / plated car as a UK resident is not an offence of itself. A UK resident might be entertaining foreign visiting guests who bring their car with them and allows him to drive it. Alternatively the UK resident may work abroad and have a foreign registered company vehicle which he uses occasionally in the UK.

There is no point-blank prohibition of UK resident drivers driving non-UK registered vehicles on our roads.
Really?

Thats not how I read this:

7. Temporary imports
You can usually use a vehicle with non-UK number plates without needing to tax or register it in the UK if all of the following apply:

you’re visiting and don’t plan to live here
you only use the vehicle up to 6 months in a 12-month period (one single visit, or several shorter visits adding up to a 6-month period)
the vehicle is registered and taxed in its home country
You must tax and register your vehicle in the UK within 14 days if you become a resident or your stay is longer than 6 months.

If you are a UK resident, your vehicle must be UK registered...

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

125 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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JB! said:
Really?

Thats not how I read this:
Plus this :-
http://www.hughesguides.com/foreignvehicles.pdf

No actual links to legislation, though. I'd be very interested to see exactly what the legislative situation is.

JB!

5,254 posts

179 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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TooMany2cvs said:
JB! said:
Really?

Thats not how I read this:
Plus this :-
http://www.hughesguides.com/foreignvehicles.pdf

No actual links to legislation, though. I'd be very interested to see exactly what the legislative situation is.
My grab was the .gov site.

Frustrating that I can buy a German registered car, Insure in the UK off the VIN, but can't drive it off the boat here because they can't charge me VED until its UK plated...

But if I didn't hold a UK D/L, I could smoke around for months...

Edited by JB! on Tuesday 3rd March 12:36

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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what if it is an electric car with no VED liability?

Jim1556

1,771 posts

155 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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JB! said:
Really?

Thats not how I read this:

7. Temporary imports
You can usually use a vehicle with non-UK number plates without needing to tax or register it in the UK if all of the following apply:

you’re visiting and don’t plan to live here
you only use the vehicle up to 6 months in a 12-month period (one single visit, or several shorter visits adding up to a 6-month period)
the vehicle is registered and taxed in its home country
You must tax and register your vehicle in the UK within 14 days if you become a resident or your stay is longer than 6 months.

If you are a UK resident, your vehicle must be UK registered...
That seems rather silly:

I live here in the UK, mortgage, family etc.

I work in Holland (at the moment), month on, month off.

If I decide to buy a property & car in Holland, but my UK car breaks down, I'd ferry my other one here for the month I'm off, then drive it back.

It'd be ridiculously time consuming/prohibitively expensive to register, tax, deregister, re-register, tax etc etc!

What if I just decide to use one car constantly?

This whole EU thing is meant to make cross border living/working/holidaying much easier and instead seems some things are still covered in excessive red tape!

allergictocheese

1,290 posts

112 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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There is a difference between owning and driving a car. judge