EU Directive - bad news for motorsport

EU Directive - bad news for motorsport

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AndyAlfa18

Original Poster:

52 posts

125 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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I'm only the messenger, so please don't shoot me for passing this on. Good discussion point I think, and I would welcome any thoughts/questions, which I could add to my report.

But basically, the European Court of Justice has ruled that all vehicles, regardless of use, or where they are being used, must have compulsory insurance. (The background being that a Slovenian farm worked was struck on Private land by a tractor/trailer. Initially the local Insurer refuses to cover/pay-out under the Road Risks cover because the incident took place on private land. But the EU over-ruled this decision, and made the Insurer settle the damages.
The EU directive mentions all powered motor vehicles, and specifically mentions Golf buggies, Mobility Vehicles and Sit on Lawn Mowers, and although it doesn't mention race cars - they clearly fall within the definition of a vehicle).

Will affect the UK Motorsport scene - particularly grass roots you would think. And although some will think its just (another) scheme to make Insurance companies rich, I can confirm that margins on race car insurances are very slim, and if we were forced to insure drivers/series we currently try to avoid, it could be a costly exercise for Insurers also.

At the moment, the UK Government is currently seeking clarification, but we are one step nearer to compulsory insurance on race cars.

I'm firing some specific questions into Government via BIBA and will keep all my motorsport friends updated.

ridds

8,218 posts

244 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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Bad news, that's horrific news if t becomes law over here.

My track car would certainly be sold as running 2 lots of insurance just wouldn't make it viable for the small amount it is used.

The sooner we tell the EU to feck off with their ridiculous rules the better.

PhillipM

6,520 posts

189 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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I think ours would be over, I'd love to see who on earth would insure it...."And what car is it Sir?"....."Errr, I made it out of various scrapyard parts consisting of VW Beetle, van parts, some peugeot, honda and jag bits, and welded them all together"........."Okay Sir, *Click"

rallycross

12,790 posts

237 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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bureaucratic money making nonsense

DanielSan

18,786 posts

167 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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I thought this was what competition car insurance was for anyway?

indigorallye

555 posts

225 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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Don't we have public liability insurance through the MSA?

Altrezia

8,517 posts

211 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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indigorallye said:
Don't we have public liability insurance through the MSA?
I thought that was part of what our fees covered?

Altrezia

8,517 posts

211 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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Altrezia said:
Agreed - I thought that was part of what our fees covered?

marshalla

15,902 posts

201 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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It'll play havoc with track days, though.

andy97

4,703 posts

222 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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Agree with those that think we have third party insurance, via the MSA, as part of our entry fee. Isn't that right Andy?

I assume the MSA are fighting our corner?

Munter

31,319 posts

241 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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marshalla said:
It'll play havoc with track days, though.
Sort of. I believe the insurance will pay out from the car should you injure the 3rd party. But then they'll claim the money back from you in the courts. Same as crashing on the nurburgring.

AndyAlfa18

Original Poster:

52 posts

125 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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andy97 said:
Agree with those that think we have third party insurance, via the MSA, as part of our entry fee. Isn't that right Andy?

I assume the MSA are fighting our corner?
Andy, I believe you correct in saying MSA provide some level of liability cover. But this directive also looking at a motor insurance policy to provide cover against damage to vehicles.

MG CHRIS

9,083 posts

167 months

Monday 2nd March 2015
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Will this become another rule that wont be enforced. Who the hell will enforce it in general terms.

One more reason to leave the eu.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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Why would it have any effect? It's not cover for the car its third party, I get third party cover as part of my race license it cost me 8 pound a year, what ever car i drive, I have 2 race cars so 4 pound each if it was oon the car.

andy97

4,703 posts

222 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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AndyAlfa18 said:
andy97 said:
Agree with those that think we have third party insurance, via the MSA, as part of our entry fee. Isn't that right Andy?

I assume the MSA are fighting our corner?
Andy, I believe you correct in saying MSA provide some level of liability cover. But this directive also looking at a motor insurance policy to provide cover against damage to vehicles.
I see, I'm sure that costs will rise and it will drive many of us out of club Motorsport then.

Maybe some will turn to illegal "races" or rallies around industrial estates or in rural areas in their road cars. That will make things safer for all. Not.

andylaurence

438 posts

211 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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It enforces what we already have - third party liability cover for what we do. Part of your MSA entry fee goes towards the insurance for the event. If you run a Slovenian farm worker over whilst racing at an MSA-sanctioned event, you'll be covered.

AndyAlfa18

Original Poster:

52 posts

125 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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Berw said:
Why would it have any effect? It's not cover for the car its third party, I get third party cover as part of my race license it cost me 8 pound a year, what ever car i drive, I have 2 race cars so 4 pound each if it was oon the car.
Potentially its cover for the car - latest article in Insurance Times here (not many details but demonstrates there's work being done on this behind the scenes).

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