Dashcam footage and dangerous driving

[R8VXF]

gaz1234 said:

Again vid no worky.

I removed that clip after someone on here posted a very offensive comment aimed at my wife from the youtube alias "Jesus".

[SK425]

Driver101 said:

Are you now saying that minor road offences are now the same as anti-social driving?

Having had a quick look at vonhosen's links, it would appear that "anti-social" is being used pretty much as a synonym of "against the law". Not really sure why you wouldn't just call it "illegal driving".

[gaz1234]

I think you should put it back up

[R8VXF]

gaz1234 said:

I think you should put it back up

Not going to happen I am afraid. What was said was extremely offensive and shows that I cannot trust people on here to be civilised.

[giantdefy]

R8VXF said:

gaz1234 said:

I think you should put it back up

Not going to happen I am afraid. What was said was extremely offensive and shows that I cannot trust people on here to be civilised.

http://en.kioskea.net/faq/35652-youtube-how-to-disable-comments

[allergictocheese]

R8VXF said:

I think I need to look at getting on a track fairly regularly so I don't use the road network as a racetrack

The single most important element in road driving is attitude. If you view road driving as any sort of competitive event, you're going to find it frustrating and, ultimately, not good for you or those who interact with you on the roads.

I used to drive nearly 70,000 miles a year and many nights I'd land home so hyped up with frustration that it'd take me 20 minutes before I was worth talking to (some would say far longer...). I now accept the roads are primarily for A-B and I have no right to expect other people to behave differently to facilitate my own journey. Set off in plenty of time, enjoy the moments when the road is quiet and it's safe to make progress and don't let those who want to drive more slowly or quickly than you affect your state of mind.

There are many, many more important things in your life to worry about.

[R8VXF]

allergictocheese said:

The single most important element in road driving is attitude. If you view road driving as any sort of competitive event, you're going to find it frustrating and, ultimately, not good for you or those who interact with you on the roads.

I used to drive nearly 70,000 miles a year and many nights I'd land home so hyped up with frustration that it'd take me 20 minutes before I was worth talking to (some would say far longer...). I now accept the roads are primarily for A-B and I have no right to expect other people to behave differently to facilitate my own journey. Set off in plenty of time, enjoy the moments when the road is quiet and it's safe to make progress and don't let those who want to drive more slowly or quickly than you affect your state of mind.

There are many, many more important things in your life to worry about.

Yup. I would say most of the time I am ok, just get wound up occasionally which is something I need to work on.

[Devil2575]

allergictocheese said:

The single most important element in road driving is attitude. If you view road driving as any sort of competitive event, you're going to find it frustrating and, ultimately, not good for you or those who interact with you on the roads.

I used to drive nearly 70,000 miles a year and many nights I'd land home so hyped up with frustration that it'd take me 20 minutes before I was worth talking to (some would say far longer...). I now accept the roads are primarily for A-B and I have no right to expect other people to behave differently to facilitate my own journey. Set off in plenty of time, enjoy the moments when the road is quiet and it's safe to make progress and don't let those who want to drive more slowly or quickly than you affect your state of mind.

There are many, many more important things in your life to worry about.

This is a good post.

[LoonR1]

allergictocheese said:

The single most important element in road driving is attitude. If you view road driving as any sort of competitive event, you're going to find it frustrating and, ultimately, not good for you or those who interact with you on the roads.

I used to drive nearly 70,000 miles a year and many nights I'd land home so hyped up with frustration that it'd take me 20 minutes before I was worth talking to (some would say far longer...). I now accept the roads are primarily for A-B and I have no right to expect other people to behave differently to facilitate my own journey. Set off in plenty of time, enjoy the moments when the road is quiet and it's safe to make progress and don't let those who want to drive more slowly or quickly than you affect your state of mind.

There are many, many more important things in your life to worry about.

70000 miles a year is a ridiculous amount of miles unless you're a professional driver which I don't believe you've ever been from your posts in here.

It equates to an average of 225 miles a day 6 days a week 52 weeks a year. I can't believe that is realistic on top of doing a days work.

[SK425]

allergictocheese said:

I now accept the roads are primarily for A-B and I have no right to expect other people to behave differently to facilitate my own journey.

You kind of do. Obviously everyone else is just as entitled as you are to be using the road, but while they're going about their journeys they ought to be doing what they can to help with the traffic flow and help others on their way too - regarding driving as a team sport. That's an important part of sharing the roads. I suppose you shouldn't expect it in the sense that experience tells you that people don't always drive with that attitude, but you have every right to be disappointed (if not surprised) when people don't do it. What you shouldn't do - and I expect this is what you were getting at - is react with anything like anger, frustration or competitiveness.

[Devil2575]

SK425 said:

allergictocheese said:

I now accept the roads are primarily for A-B and I have no right to expect other people to behave differently to facilitate my own journey.

You kind of do. Obviously everyone else is just as entitled as you are to be using the road, but while they're going about their journeys they ought to be doing what they can to help with the traffic flow and help others on their way too - regarding driving as a team sport. That's an important part of sharing the roads. I suppose you shouldn't expect it in the sense that experience tells you that people don't always drive with that attitude, but you have every right to be disappointed (if not surprised) when people don't do it. What you shouldn't do - and I expect this is what you were getting at - is react with anything like anger, frustration or competitiveness.

The key is expectation and entitlement. As soon as you expect other people to behave a certain way and believe you are entitiled to be treated in a certain way then you are on the road to stress and frustration (no pun intended). It's not unreasonable to think that everyone should treat everyone else with respect and be polite. However if this becomes an expectation and if you set a standard of how you think other people should behave you will end up disappointed and getting angry. You should never set standards for things you cannot control.
What you can control is how you behave and how you react. People may justify their behaviour by blaming the actions of others but ultimately we are all responsible for how we behave and this includes when driving.

[allergictocheese]

LoonR1 said:

70000 miles a year is a ridiculous amount of miles unless you're a professional driver which I don't believe you've ever been from your posts in here.

It equates to an average of 225 miles a day 6 days a week 52 weeks a year. I can't believe that is realistic on top of doing a days work.

It was a lot of miles, new startup company, just me doing the selling, clients all over the UK. Selling physical items that are not commodity and cannot be sold over the 'phone or internet (before the days of buying on the internet, anyway). Lots of experience of Travelodges. At the dealership getting the car serviced every 6 weeks. Wouldn't want to do it again.

Or, obviously, I made the whole thing up just to support a banal point and wonderfully impress an internet forum full of people I'll never meet.

[LoonR1]

allergictocheese said:

It was a lot of miles, new startup company, just me doing the selling, clients all over the UK. Selling physical items that are not commodity and cannot be sold over the 'phone or internet (before the days of buying on the internet, anyway). Lots of experience of Travelodges. At the dealership getting the car serviced every 6 weeks. Wouldn't want to do it again.

Or, obviously, I made the whole thing up just to support a banal point and wonderfully impress an internet forum full of people I'll never meet.

I'm just pointing out that its a huge amount of miles in a year. If you did it then fine, but it's going some to do that mileage day in day out with barely a break each week and none in the year

[allergictocheese]

In glad it's ok with you! When the civic type-r first came out a few years ago, I got one from new. In 23 months (with more than a month laid up with various faults), it got traded in with 125,000 miles on the clock. The staff at the dealership were like a second family. I remember going through the front brake pads so quickly that Honda hadn't even got around to distributing replacement parts to the dealer network and the car spent 10 days laid up waiting for then too come from Belgium.

No, I didn't have many holidays and I 'only' worked 5 days a week.

[Nigel_O]

LoonR1 said:

70000 miles a year is a ridiculous amount of miles unless you're a professional driver which I don't believe you've ever been from your posts in here.

It equates to an average of 225 miles a day 6 days a week 52 weeks a year. I can't believe that is realistic on top of doing a days work.

Firstly, there are several posts from Allergictocheese that suggests he's on the road a lot - he doesn't need to be a professional driver to be doing a lot a miles - perhaps he just doesn't see it as important enough to bleat on about it

It also equates to less than 300 miles per day, five days a week, with four weeks off per year, which I would suggest is not beyond the realms of possibility, especially if he lives at an extremity of the country, rather than nicely in the middle)

I used to do about half that amount with just a daily Mon-Fri commute and a bit of SD&P, so its perfectly reasonable that a salesperson out on the road would do a whole lot more

[jith]

LoonR1 said:

allergictocheese said:

It was a lot of miles, new startup company, just me doing the selling, clients all over the UK. Selling physical items that are not commodity and cannot be sold over the 'phone or internet (before the days of buying on the internet, anyway). Lots of experience of Travelodges. At the dealership getting the car serviced every 6 weeks. Wouldn't want to do it again.

Or, obviously, I made the whole thing up just to support a banal point and wonderfully impress an internet forum full of people I'll never meet.

I'm just pointing out that its a huge amount of miles in a year. If you did it then fine, but it's going some to do that mileage day in day out with barely a break each week and none in the year

I think you'll find that some of us not in the insurance industry have to work bloody hard for a living!

J

[LoonR1]

All I was doing was pointing out just how many miles a day, every day for a while year that works out to.

Even living up in Cumbria a 300 mile daily drive would be a huge slog. 150 miles south from Carlisle gets you to Crewe on the M6.

[SK425]

Devil2575 said:

SK425 said:

allergictocheese said:

I now accept the roads are primarily for A-B and I have no right to expect other people to behave differently to facilitate my own journey.

You kind of do. Obviously everyone else is just as entitled as you are to be using the road, but while they're going about their journeys they ought to be doing what they can to help with the traffic flow and help others on their way too - regarding driving as a team sport. That's an important part of sharing the roads. I suppose you shouldn't expect it in the sense that experience tells you that people don't always drive with that attitude, but you have every right to be disappointed (if not surprised) when people don't do it. What you shouldn't do - and I expect this is what you were getting at - is react with anything like anger, frustration or competitiveness.

The key is expectation and entitlement. As soon as you expect other people to behave a certain way and believe you are entitiled to be treated in a certain way then you are on the road to stress and frustration (no pun intended). It's not unreasonable to think that everyone should treat everyone else with respect and be polite. However if this becomes an expectation and if you set a standard of how you think other people should behave you will end up disappointed and getting angry. You should never set standards for things you cannot control.
What you can control is how you behave and how you react. People may justify their behaviour by blaming the actions of others but ultimately we are all responsible for how we behave and this includes when driving.

I'm sure we all agree. My interest was piqued by allergictocheese's choice of words: "I have no right to expect [certain behaviour]". I absolutely think you do have that right, in the same sense as you have, for example, (and in increasing order of seriousness! ) the right to expect people not to hurl abusive language at you in the street, or burgle your house, or murder you.

Being allowed to be disappointed when you encounter disappointing behaviour is not the same as being allowed to let that disappointment influence your own behaviour. But if you tell yourself that it's wrong to be disappointed at all you're back to the standard you walk past being the standard you accept. Quite what one can do about it I'm not sure. If anyone were to provide some means of reporting general driving thoughtlessness, it would probably be swamped the moment it opened.

[Devil2575]

SK425 said:

I'm sure we all agree. My interest was piqued by allergictocheese's choice of words: "I have no right to expect [certain behaviour]". I absolutely think you do have that right, in the same sense as you have, for example, (and in increasing order of seriousness! ) the right to expect people not to hurl abusive language at you in the street, or burgle your house, or murder you.

Being allowed to be disappointed when you encounter disappointing behaviour is not the same as being allowed to let that disappointment influence your own behaviour. But if you tell yourself that it's wrong to be disappointed at all you're back to the standard you walk past being the standard you accept. Quite what one can do about it I'm not sure. If anyone were to provide some means of reporting general driving thoughtlessness, it would probably be swamped the moment it opened.

I'd argue that having that expectation and then being disappointed will create stress. What benefit does having that expectation provide?

If you're interested and can be arsed this is worth a read.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Chimp-Paradox-Manageme...

Edited by Devil2575 on Thursday 5th March 13:16

[R8VXF]

Devil2575 said:

I'd argue that having that expectation and then being disappointed will create stress. What benefit does having that expectation provide?

If you're interested and can be arsed this is worth a read.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Chimp-Paradox-Manageme...

Edited by Devil2575 on Thursday 5th March 13:16

I must read that book more often. A great book imo.