OXFORD 'Grooming' Serious Case Review - heads to roll?

OXFORD 'Grooming' Serious Case Review - heads to roll?

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dandarez

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13,274 posts

283 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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To be published tomorrow morning 11 am. Damning apparently.

So, just like Rotherham, systematic failure after failure. What will happen here in Oxford? Who will resign?

The Council Chief Exec Joanna Simons has at last decided to go, after many calls to step down, the boss of Oxford CC saying the her Chief Exec's job is not needed anymore, so she won't be replaced (why was it needed in the first place then?) ...and she's getting a tidy pay off in the region of 600 grand!

Thames Valley Police Chief Constable, Sara Thornton, who held the reins while all this went on. What's happening to her?
She's decided to stand down too after 14 years here. She's leaving 'with an heavy heart'. Off to her new role in a few weeks time to become Chair of the National Police Chiefs' Council (a newly created association replacing the old ACPO).

Someone round here said this week, how widespread is all this grooming?

One answer was 'If you think it's not happening where you are, you're not looking!'

Unbelievable. What have we sunk to?


carinaman

21,286 posts

172 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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dandarez said:
Thames Valley Police Chief Constable, Sara Thornton, who held the reins while all this went on. What's happening to her?
She's decided to stand down too after 14 years here. She's leaving 'with an heavy heart'. Off to her new role in a few weeks time to become Chair of the National Police Chiefs' Council (a newly created association replacing the old ACPO).
Hopefully it'll cause enough of a stink for it not to happen.

I wonder how it relates to this?:

http://www.ukcolumn.org/article/oxford-cherwell-va...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yLWfMEpFjY

Esseesse

8,969 posts

208 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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http://www.ukcolumn.org/article/accusations-studen...

Article said:
Oxford and Cherwell Valley College Head Sally Dicketts and Thames Valley Police Chief Constable Sara Thornton are both connected with the Women’s Leadership Network and political charity Common Purpose.
Why do these people all seem to be common purpose?

Edit: Joanna Simons is common purpose too.

Edited by Esseesse on Tuesday 3rd March 00:42

carinaman

21,286 posts

172 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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Esseesse said:
Why do these people all seem to be common purpose?
I only heard of them last year. And I chanced upon them while looking for something else.

It could be because they get spotted and get sent on courses and told they're 'future leaders' and once they start believing their own hype they think they can't be wrong and can do whatever they want to ensure their progress isn't interrupted?

I've heard Saul Alinsky mentioned twice on Radio 4 in the last week. Perhaps his thoughts on achieving and change and that of Common Purpose are en vogue and the rest of us are behind the curve?

Look at this thread:

http://www.pistonheads.com/Gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

It mentions cuts to West Midlands Police and single crewing.

How much has West Midlands Police spent with Common Purpose?

Common Purpose training helps West Midlands Police deal with the cuts, or helps with management techniques for getting staff to accept being put upon and how to massage the public perception of the the police and their failures?

If Thornton is implicated in that report and she still gets that job it will seem like the Monkey Dust New Truth sketch where bad news is reclassified to good news, because that's what we want to hear.

The bad news is some kids got raped. The good news is it wasn't your kids so you don't have to concern yourself unduly.

Esseesse

8,969 posts

208 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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I can't see why there is not competition for what common purpose offers. They haven't got a monopoly on teaching management techniques surely?

kev1974

4,029 posts

129 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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Rotherham
Rochdale
Oxfordshire

Where's next?

jogon

2,971 posts

158 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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kev1974 said:
Rotherham
Rochdale
Oxfordshire

Where's next?
Reports due out next in Newcastle and Halifax but other cases reported up and down the country from Glasgow, Telford, Norfolk down to Tower Hamlets and Bristol.

The ITV article about Oxford i posted the other day mentioned Thames Valley including Berkshire and Buckinghamshire too.

It seems to be endemic in every muslim enclave across the country all targeting care homes and using the same vile methods of drink and drugs on 11-15 year old white girls. Sick.

Edited by jogon on Tuesday 3rd March 09:40

MarshPhantom

9,658 posts

137 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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Did child abuse not happen before the Muslims arrived?

ReallyReallyGood

1,622 posts

130 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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Esseesse said:
I can't see why there is not competition for what common purpose offers. They haven't got a monopoly on teaching management techniques surely?
It's more than just that, it's more like a big club where members basically rotate jobs.

ReallyReallyGood

1,622 posts

130 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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MarshPhantom said:
Did child abuse not happen before the Muslims arrived?
On this national mass scale? I doubt it.

Esseesse

8,969 posts

208 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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kev1974 said:
Rotherham
Rochdale
Oxfordshire

Where's next?
Have you seen the YouTube video that centres around Mr Delingpole on a question/debate programme and includes some geographical data about where these things have been occurring?

MarshPhantom

9,658 posts

137 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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ReallyReallyGood said:
MarshPhantom said:
Did child abuse not happen before the Muslims arrived?
On this national mass scale? I doubt it.
Seriously?

I'd say things aren't as bad now as they were in the sixties and seventies.

jogon

2,971 posts

158 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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ReallyReallyGood said:
MarshPhantom said:
Did child abuse not happen before the Muslims arrived?
On this national mass scale? I doubt it.
These guys are making our politicians look like amateurs. They even share them around the family so dad, brothers and cousins get to have a go before pimping them out to others in the community.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

205 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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Esseesse said:
Have you seen the YouTube video that centres around Mr Delingpole on a question/debate programme and includes some geographical data about where these things have been occurring?
Got a link for that one?

jogon

2,971 posts

158 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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I think it is this one.

http://youtu.be/lErO9lp201Q

Free speech my arse.

carinaman

21,286 posts

172 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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CMD is reportedly going to say public officials that ignore it 'could' face a sentence of five years.

Could?

That wont happen. That bloke in Rotherham that took an 11 year old and 13 year old from a park and kept them at his home overnight only got three years, so how are public servants going to get 5 years?

That's about as likely as winning the lottery.

But I am sure he's taking it seriously.

Esseesse

8,969 posts

208 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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jogon said:
I think it is this one.

http://youtu.be/lErO9lp201Q

Free speech my arse.
That is the one. There is another one though based on that with commentary (from someone with a distorted voice if you can get past that) which shows the geographical correlation of the stuff that has been going on.

Esseesse

8,969 posts

208 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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carinaman said:
CMD is reportedly going to say public officials that ignore it 'could' face a sentence of five years.

Could?
Indeed. That is the language that results from a central decision to try to appear tougher whilst changing nothing.

smegmore

3,091 posts

176 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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MarshPhantom said:
Seriously?

I'd say things aren't as bad now as they were in the sixties and seventies.
So that makes it all OK then does it?

Got any evidence for your assertion?

Digga

40,298 posts

283 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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MarshPhantom said:
Seriously?

I'd say things aren't as bad now as they were in the sixties and seventies.
Does not matter either way. Where there is abuse it needs to be dealt with swiftly and effectively.

The story in the two comments after the OP quite clearly indicates there are other sectors of society abusing their positions to prey on the vulnerable. Personally, I don;t care two sts who's committing the crimes, they are vile (the crimes and the perpetrators) and they deserve to feel the full weight of the law and should be given no opportunity to avoid it.

If that means targeting certain Muslim demographics, so be it. If that also means targeting bien-pensant perverts in the upper echelons of academia, so be it.

Edited by Digga on Tuesday 3rd March 10:05