Kid on bike murdered

[Hol]

Pothole said:

Hol said:

Pothole said:

menousername said:

Pothole said:

od bless your child(ren). Where do you get this ridiculously old-fashioned and frankly warped idea from?

Why is it warped

Which bit of arming and training convicted murderers and sending them to the front line do you think is not warped?

If you want to give them a big cuddle - go ahead. That's your choice.

The vast majority of people don't actually like the idea of bending over for criminals and would rather they were punished.

Of course, that's the only other option. Do you actually read what's written and take a second to think before responding?

YES.

[ofcorsa]

Pothole said:

4.5% of London's population was Under 19 at last count and the 2011 Census put the total population at 8.17 million.

1000 is not a lot, assuming that the figure is not limited to knife crime among under 19s...

It was in response to the statement that meningitis was statistically more of a threat for knife crime. I wouldn't want to suggest what was the acceptable level of knife crime. But I do find 1000 people a month being victims of knife crime alarming.

[Pothole]

ofcorsa said:

Pothole said:

4.5% of London's population was Under 19 at last count and the 2011 Census put the total population at 8.17 million.

1000 is not a lot, assuming that the figure is not limited to knife crime among under 19s...

It was in response to the statement that meningitis was statistically more of a threat for knife crime. I wouldn't want to suggest what was the acceptable level of knife crime. But I do find 1000 people a month being victims of knife crime alarming.

I understand that. Both comparisons are equally valid surely?

I think it's alarming on one hand, but looking at it in the grander scheme of things, it's not 'a lot'.

Before anyone starts, of course I'd be upset if it happened to anyone even tenuously connected to me, but I try not to react in a knee jerk fashion to the sensationalist "tip of the iceberg" reporting of this kind of thing.

There is no simple solution to this problem, so I'll not offer one. I firmly believe, however, that none of the extreme suggestions so far offered would have the slightest effect on the kind of youths who would do this.

[Kermit power]

superkartracer said:

Kermit power said:

Transmitter Man]oydie88 said:

Just hope every single one of them end up being done to the maximum penalty possible.

What's that, 12 years, out in 6, colouTV and a Kenya safari thrown in for good behaviour.

Bring back the bloody DP and tell Angie & Co what she can do with her HR's.

The scrotes will then, and only then, get it.

Phil

Except they won't get it. There is no evidence anywhere that the death sentence acts as a deterrent.

Agreed, BUT it removes said scum... which i reckons a good thing.

That's all well and good, but for each scumbag executed, how many innocent witnesses or coppers will be killed by other scumbags deciding that if the alternative is the death sentence, then they might as well pull the trigger?

[KFC]

Kermit power said:

That's all well and good, but for each scumbag executed, how many innocent witnesses or coppers will be killed by other scumbags deciding that if the alternative is the death sentence, then they might as well pull the trigger?

I would assume thats the main reason behind a lot of the shootouts, hostage taking and road chases and so on with American cops. If you've robbed a few banks in USA you're going away with no chance of parole, so nothing to lose. Do the same in UK and if you're caught you may as well just put your hands up and let yourself get arrested. There isn't any point in trying to take that 1 in a million chance of shooting your way out is there.

[Police State]

Pothole said:

ofcorsa said:

Pothole said:

4.5% of London's population was Under 19 at last count and the 2011 Census put the total population at 8.17 million.

1000 is not a lot, assuming that the figure is not limited to knife crime among under 19s...

It was in response to the statement that meningitis was statistically more of a threat for knife crime. I wouldn't want to suggest what was the acceptable level of knife crime. But I do find 1000 people a month being victims of knife crime alarming.

I understand that. Both comparisons are equally valid surely?

I think it's alarming on one hand, but looking at it in the grander scheme of things, it's not 'a lot'.

Before anyone starts, of course I'd be upset if it happened to anyone even tenuously connected to me, but I try not to react in a knee jerk fashion to the sensationalist "tip of the iceberg" reporting of this kind of thing.

There is no simple solution to this problem, so I'll not offer one. I firmly believe, however, that none of the extreme suggestions so far offered would have the slightest effect on the kind of youths who would do this.

Well, one 'simple solution' at least in part would be to have a much more visible police presence on the streets. There are very, very few coppers patrolling the streets of Islington and Camden at night. That and stop and search powers would prevent a lot of these toe-rags from carrying knives.

But among others, that great intellect Boris has decided that the police service should be more 'cost effective'.

[Pothole]

Police State said:

Pothole said:

ofcorsa said:

Pothole said:

4.5% of London's population was Under 19 at last count and the 2011 Census put the total population at 8.17 million.

1000 is not a lot, assuming that the figure is not limited to knife crime among under 19s...

It was in response to the statement that meningitis was statistically more of a threat for knife crime. I wouldn't want to suggest what was the acceptable level of knife crime. But I do find 1000 people a month being victims of knife crime alarming.

I understand that. Both comparisons are equally valid surely?

I think it's alarming on one hand, but looking at it in the grander scheme of things, it's not 'a lot'.

Before anyone starts, of course I'd be upset if it happened to anyone even tenuously connected to me, but I try not to react in a knee jerk fashion to the sensationalist "tip of the iceberg" reporting of this kind of thing.

There is no simple solution to this problem, so I'll not offer one. I firmly believe, however, that none of the extreme suggestions so far offered would have the slightest effect on the kind of youths who would do this.

Well, one 'simple solution' at least in part would be to have a much more visible police presence on the streets. There are very, very few coppers patrolling the streets of Islington and Camden at night. That and stop and search powers would prevent a lot of these toe-rags from carrying knives.

But among others, that great intellect Boris has decided that the police service should be more 'cost effective'.

It should be. I don't want to pay more tax. We don't need nuclear weapons, we could use that money.

[dudleybloke]

But you can't use stop and search as that makes the police look like nasty rasists.

[KFC]

dudleybloke said:

But you can't use stop and search as that makes the police look like nasty rasists.

I think all that political correctness needs tossing out for an effective job to be done. Its black youths that are shooting each other; so target them. In any business setting you'd target your customers so why should policing be different?

[Police State]

Pothole said:

Police State said:

Pothole said:

ofcorsa said:

Pothole said:

4.5% of London's population was Under 19 at last count and the 2011 Census put the total population at 8.17 million.

1000 is not a lot, assuming that the figure is not limited to knife crime among under 19s...

It was in response to the statement that meningitis was statistically more of a threat for knife crime. I wouldn't want to suggest what was the acceptable level of knife crime. But I do find 1000 people a month being victims of knife crime alarming.

I understand that. Both comparisons are equally valid surely?

I think it's alarming on one hand, but looking at it in the grander scheme of things, it's not 'a lot'.

Before anyone starts, of course I'd be upset if it happened to anyone even tenuously connected to me, but I try not to react in a knee jerk fashion to the sensationalist "tip of the iceberg" reporting of this kind of thing.

There is no simple solution to this problem, so I'll not offer one. I firmly believe, however, that none of the extreme suggestions so far offered would have the slightest effect on the kind of youths who would do this.

Well, one 'simple solution' at least in part would be to have a much more visible police presence on the streets. There are very, very few coppers patrolling the streets of Islington and Camden at night. That and stop and search powers would prevent a lot of these toe-rags from carrying knives.

But among others, that great intellect Boris has decided that the police service should be more 'cost effective'.

It should be. I don't want to pay more tax. We don't need nuclear weapons, we could use that money.

But it shouldn't be to the point where it is not operationally effective, that is even more a waste of money as any of the frontline cost cutting measures.

(nukes, an absurd comparison and another debate entirely)

[superkartracer]

Kermit power said:

superkartracer said:

Kermit power said:

Transmitter Man]oydie88 said:

Just hope every single one of them end up being done to the maximum penalty possible.

What's that, 12 years, out in 6, colouTV and a Kenya safari thrown in for good behaviour.

Bring back the bloody DP and tell Angie & Co what she can do with her HR's.

The scrotes will then, and only then, get it.

Phil

Except they won't get it. There is no evidence anywhere that the death sentence acts as a deterrent.

Agreed, BUT it removes said scum... which i reckons a good thing.

That's all well and good, but for each scumbag executed, how many innocent witnesses or coppers will be killed by other scumbags deciding that if the alternative is the death sentence, then they might as well pull the trigger?

But the kid was stabbed/killed and not given a chance to even hand the bike over. So the scumbags are killing or leaving victims in a state anyway...

[Kermit power]

superkartracer said:

Kermit power said:

superkartracer said:

Kermit power said:

Transmitter Man]oydie88 said:

Just hope every single one of them end up being done to the maximum penalty possible.

What's that, 12 years, out in 6, colouTV and a Kenya safari thrown in for good behaviour.

Bring back the bloody DP and tell Angie & Co what she can do with her HR's.

The scrotes will then, and only then, get it.

Phil

Except they won't get it. There is no evidence anywhere that the death sentence acts as a deterrent.

Agreed, BUT it removes said scum... which i reckons a good thing.

That's all well and good, but for each scumbag executed, how many innocent witnesses or coppers will be killed by other scumbags deciding that if the alternative is the death sentence, then they might as well pull the trigger?

But the kid was stabbed/killed and not given a chance to even hand the bike over. So the scumbags are killing or leaving victims in a state anyway...

In this particular incident, yes. Hardly a typical incident, though, is it?

[Pothole]

Police State said:

Pothole said:

Police State said:

Pothole said:

ofcorsa said:

Pothole said:

4.5% of London's population was Under 19 at last count and the 2011 Census put the total population at 8.17 million.

1000 is not a lot, assuming that the figure is not limited to knife crime among under 19s...

It was in response to the statement that meningitis was statistically more of a threat for knife crime. I wouldn't want to suggest what was the acceptable level of knife crime. But I do find 1000 people a month being victims of knife crime alarming.

I understand that. Both comparisons are equally valid surely?

I think it's alarming on one hand, but looking at it in the grander scheme of things, it's not 'a lot'.

Before anyone starts, of course I'd be upset if it happened to anyone even tenuously connected to me, but I try not to react in a knee jerk fashion to the sensationalist "tip of the iceberg" reporting of this kind of thing.

There is no simple solution to this problem, so I'll not offer one. I firmly believe, however, that none of the extreme suggestions so far offered would have the slightest effect on the kind of youths who would do this.

Well, one 'simple solution' at least in part would be to have a much more visible police presence on the streets. There are very, very few coppers patrolling the streets of Islington and Camden at night. That and stop and search powers would prevent a lot of these toe-rags from carrying knives.

But among others, that great intellect Boris has decided that the police service should be more 'cost effective'.

It should be. I don't want to pay more tax. We don't need nuclear weapons, we could use that money.

But it shouldn't be to the point where it is not operationally effective, that is even more a waste of money as any of the frontline cost cutting measures.

(nukes, an absurd comparison and another debate entirely)

It's not a comparison. The money needs to come from somewhere for something we apparently need. I'm suggesting it comes from something we don't need.

[ofcorsa]

I'm sure the Ukraine thought much the same thing.

[edgyedgy]

I read the whole thread up to now and nobody has suggested that perhaps it wasn't about the bikes.
As we don't know whether the killer and boy who was stabbed were known to each other,just thought I'd make a observation.

[Burwood]

edgyedgy said:

I read the whole thread up to now and nobody has suggested that perhaps it wasn't about the bikes.
As we don't know whether the killer and boy who was stabbed were known to each other,just thought I'd make a observation.

i dont care for your opinion. its bks. fry them

[KFC]

Burwood said:

edgyedgy said:

I read the whole thread up to now and nobody has suggested that perhaps it wasn't about the bikes.
As we don't know whether the killer and boy who was stabbed were known to each other,just thought I'd make a observation.

i dont care for your opinion. its bks. fry them

Its a fair point though. For all we know it wasn't a senseless robbery, it was a murder for some other reason. That would be the preferable option for me.

[Burwood]

KFC said:

Burwood said:

edgyedgy said:

I read the whole thread up to now and nobody has suggested that perhaps it wasn't about the bikes.
As we don't know whether the killer and boy who was stabbed were known to each other,just thought I'd make a observation.

i dont care for your opinion. its bks. fry them

Its a fair point though. For all we know it wasn't a senseless robbery, it was a murder for some other reason. That would be the preferable option for me.

sure, like they had a team calling them in. a drag net. As their actions are beyond belief, drugs will play a part

[Pothole]

edgyedgy said:

I read the whole thread up to now and nobody has suggested that perhaps it wasn't about the bikes.
As we don't know whether the killer and boy who was stabbed were known to each other,just thought I'd make a observation.

except

on Wednesday Sargeant Orange said:

The video of it is haunting, just the blatant disregard for life by aiming the knife straight into the chest where maximum damage would be done. It does seem like some kind of initiation with his lack of interest in the kids bike. So sad

The dead kid's parents won't have had a clue what he was mixed up in, they never really do. I never got in with 'a bad crowd' when I was a kid, but my parents didn't know what I was doing from one day to the next during the school holidays. Most teenagers don't discuss their lives with their parents AFAIK.

[croyde]

Someone's been charged with his murder.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11456...