RE: Honda Civic Type R - Geneva 2015
Tuesday 3rd March 2015
Did you know the CR-V is now offered with a 160hp 1.6 diesel and a nine-speed auto? More exciting news from Geneva... A Civic? Ah yes, the Civic.
Type R unlikely to be confused with regular CivicsThere's some confusion about the tyres as well. Wouldn't be a ring 'lap story without that, would it? So Honda maintains the development car was "in a standard state of engine tune, with suspension, drivetrain, exhaust, brakes and the aero package identical to those of the production Civic Type R." Continental has designed tyres specifically for the Type R but without any confirmation of what they are yet. "The test cycle during which the 7:50.63 lap was achieved was part of the tyre's development and testing process" is the official line from Honda. Curious.
Honda Civic Type R - Geneva 2015
A Nurburgring lap time finally confirmed (sort of), but the £30K UK price is assured
The big Type R news is the Nordschleife lap time. Honda made a FWD record a development goal from the off and has sent a test car round in 7:50. So four seconds quicker than the Renault and eight seconds quicker than the SEAT. The caveat? No front seat, air conditioning or stereo. This was to offset the weight of the full roll cage, added purely for safety reasons and absolutely not for rigidity. No sir. Not one bit.
Type R unlikely to be confused with regular Civics
A production car will be there shortly to establish its position as the fastest production front wheel-drive car. Start the debate now as to how production-spec that Civic Type R will be...
Honda has also announced a UK price for the Type R. It will cost £29,995 when sales begin in July, with the GT pack (comprising active safety equipment, Honda's new Connect infotainment system and Garmin sat-nav) costing £2,300 on top. Honda expects Civic Type R GTs to be the most popular model. Furthermore, a PCP payment of under £300 a month has been stated with a 30 per cent deposit and 5.9 per cent APR. For reference a Megane Trophy is £28,930 without the Ohlins dampers and a Leon Cupra with a Performance Pack and the Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2s is £29,430. Bring on the triple test!
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Discussion
That diesel is quite impressive considering Honda was late to the diesel party.....anywho so basically even stripped out to an even more stupid degree than either the Leon or Megane and its not much faster with more tq and bhp. Can only assume in standard trim its on going to be on par or only slightly faster than the ageing Megane.
So basically when the new Megane comes out the smile will instantly be wiped off Honda's face. I was expecting a lot more looking at the spec sheet.
So basically when the new Megane comes out the smile will instantly be wiped off Honda's face. I was expecting a lot more looking at the spec sheet.
dukebox9reg said:
That diesel is quite impressive considering Honda was late to the diesel party.....anywho so basically even stripped out to an even more stupid degree than either the Leon or Megane and its not much faster with more tq and bhp. Can only assume in standard trim its on going to be on par or only slightly faster than the ageing Megane.
So basically when the new Megane comes out the smile will instantly be wiped off Honda's face. I was expecting a lot more looking at the spec sheet.
Did you read the article? They stripped out elements of standard interior to balance out the weight of the roll cage which increased rigity aside is a fair enough comparison. I'd be surprised if there is much difference in the times between test and final product. So basically when the new Megane comes out the smile will instantly be wiped off Honda's face. I was expecting a lot more looking at the spec sheet.
As for the new Megane, how much further can you go with FWD and 300hp. I am sure that these cars are at the ceiling of what can be achieved without stripping, caging and slicks (excluding driver and track conditions).
arkenphel said:
£30k?
M135i....
Sorry, it had to be said (and I'm fully aware the M135i costs more then £29995, thank you)....
Drive them both and then decide, if Honda are providing a similar experience to that of the Type R's of old (DC2, EK9) it will appeal to a much more hardcore/driver focused market. Not disregarding that it is small these day's M135i....
Sorry, it had to be said (and I'm fully aware the M135i costs more then £29995, thank you)....
To some it is not about the badge, interior quality.... driven wheels etc. I fully appreciate that the majority of readers of PH are however.
Glad to know I am in good company.celicawrc said:
7:50 With no interior and a roll cage....
So an utterly pointless time then!
Or not. They put in the press release it was missing the AC and passenger seat to offset the weight of the cage they'd fitted for safety reasons.So an utterly pointless time then!
I'd expect the production car to post a similar time, maybe even faster if the development of the tyres has moved on since that lap was done in May last year.
soad said:
I'm tiring of hearing about bleeding Nurburgring lap times. There's no way I'd lap myself it in that time. And just how many owners would actually take their car there?..
As well as the obvious willy waving that goes with it, it's a performance metric that accounts for straight line and cornering speeds on tight twisty roads. You don't have to drive on the ring for the stat to have meaning. Do people that don't try and reach 60 mph from a stand stillas quickly as possible moan about manufacturers quoting 0-60 times?
HorneyMX5 said:
celicawrc said:
7:50 With no interior and a roll cage....
So an utterly pointless time then!
Or not. They put in the press release it was missing the AC and passenger seat to offset the weight of the cage they'd fitted for safety reasons.So an utterly pointless time then!
I'd expect the production car to post a similar time, maybe even faster if the development of the tyres has moved on since that lap was done in May last year.
Every other manufacturer seems to be quite happy to throw their car around the ring without fitting an after-market cage?
Not that I could care in the slightest about 'ring times. All it tells me is that the manufacturer has concentrated on setting the car up for a situation I would never put it in. The very fact that they've published a 'ring time is a huge negative point to my mind.
Not that I could care in the slightest about 'ring times. All it tells me is that the manufacturer has concentrated on setting the car up for a situation I would never put it in. The very fact that they've published a 'ring time is a huge negative point to my mind.
Edited by kambites on Tuesday 3rd March 14:01
kambites said:
Every other manufacturer seems to be quite happy to throw their car around the ring without fitting an after-market cage?
Not that I could care in the slightest about 'ring times. All it tells me is that the manufacturer has concentrated on setting the car up for a situation I would never put it in.
I take it you prefer the set up for motorway style then ? You've never driven along a B road ? You no the roads that are identical in style to the ring which is why it gets used as a benchmark Not that I could care in the slightest about 'ring times. All it tells me is that the manufacturer has concentrated on setting the car up for a situation I would never put it in.
why are you so interested in discussing hot hatches then if your more of a w124 merc ride type of guy loose cannon said:
I take it you prefer the set up for motorway style then ? You've never driven along a B road ? You no the roads that are identical in style to the ring which is why it gets used as a benchmark why are you so interested in discussing hot hatches then if your more of a w124 merc ride type of guy
No, I prefer it to be fun to drive down a B-road where my speed is limited primarily by sight lines and my sanity rather than fast to drive down one where my speed is limited by mechanical grip. The two are, in my experience, largely contradictory. In my experience, cars which are set up primarily to go around a racing circuit quickly are almost universally rather dull to drive on the road. why are you so interested in discussing hot hatches then if your more of a w124 merc ride type of guy Jesus wept, look at it! IMO, the standard Civic is one of the worst looking cars for sale in the UK at the moment and adding some (loads) of horrid looking bolt-ons have not done much to salvage it. I know it should all be about how it drives with a car like this and I'm sure it will drive exceptionally well, but how many prospective owners will be able to ignore how it looks?
The price is not unsurprising, but really shows how cars have shot up in price over the last few years - I bought a new FN2 Civic Type R GT in 2008 for £19k, now the entry point will be £30k. Is it only hot hatches that have out-stripped inflation by such a huge margin (which I'm guessing is partly to do with the hardcore performance they now offer)?
The price is not unsurprising, but really shows how cars have shot up in price over the last few years - I bought a new FN2 Civic Type R GT in 2008 for £19k, now the entry point will be £30k. Is it only hot hatches that have out-stripped inflation by such a huge margin (which I'm guessing is partly to do with the hardcore performance they now offer)?
Hmmm, it really doesn't stack up that well on the numbers against it's rivals does it?
You have to compare, not only to the Seat and the Renault but the Golf R, Audi S3, new Focus RS etc at that price.
Personally, I would feel a bit stupid driving such a garish machine, the understatement of the Golf or the Audi would be a lot more preferable.
You have to compare, not only to the Seat and the Renault but the Golf R, Audi S3, new Focus RS etc at that price.
Personally, I would feel a bit stupid driving such a garish machine, the understatement of the Golf or the Audi would be a lot more preferable.
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