GT3 Over revs - AGAIN!

[BigO1977]

Hi all,

I've already been emailing/talking to some of you, for which I'm grateful.

I own GT08FUN - Cobalt Blue, 2008, 997.1 GT3 Club Sport (Carbon seats, ceramic brakes, half cage, harness etc etc), 23k.

I've recently decided to sell, after 3300 miles and 15 months of ownership - all of which has been without issue or damage.

The car is immaculate and still under Porsche warranty till December 2015.

Problem.... it was over revved in range 1-4 over 600 hours ago (Approx 4/5 years ago) - as far as I'm concerned and as far as my Porsche main dealer is concerned and 2 of the leading independent dealers are concerned there is absolutely no issue with my car - it was compression tested in Nov 2013 with no fault (prior to last 2 year Porsche warranty being applied).

I've been back to Porsche today for a general check up and to also check that I haven't over revved during my ownership, which they have confirmed that I haven't. The senior technician who checked the car over agreed with the sentiments above - he's had previous experience working on the super cup cars.

Dilemma - I want to achieve top money for my car, but some of the super geeks think it's a nail, or at least their tone suggests it!

Just to confirm - Porsche & the Independents have offered to buy the car from me at a 'reasonable' price.

If anyone has some genuine advice, I'd be eternally grateful.

Edited by BigO1977 on Wednesday 4th March 13:03

[mm450exc]

I remember that car. Was from Solihull with 40 ignitions in range 4. I did not like that and passed.

As it was over 600 hours ago the car is fine. But not everybody is up for that.

Did the dealer offer anything acceptable?

[Mark A S]

I would ignore the "super Geeks" as if its good enough for Porsche etc!!!!
I'm interested in this Over rev "thing", exactly what has your engine been revved to?

FYI I am not a buyer, out of my range, just interested, unless you want a strait swap for my 996 TT

[Scooty100]

BigO1977 said:

Hi all,

I've already been emailing/talking to some of you, for which I'm grateful.

I own GT08FUN - Cobalt Blue, 2008, 997.1 GT3 Club Sport (Carbon seats, ceramic brakes, half cage, harness etc etc), 23k.

I've recently decided to sell, after 3300 miles and 15 months of ownership - all of which has been without issue or damage.

The car is immaculate and still under Porsche warranty till December 2015.

Problem.... it was over revved in range 1-4 over 600 hours ago (Approx 4/5 years ago) - as far as I'm concerned and as far as my Porsche main dealer is concerned and 2 of the leading independent dealers are concerned there is absolutely no issue with my car - it was compression tested in Nov 2013 with no fault (prior to last 2 year Porsche warranty being applied).

I've been back to Porsche today for a general check up and to also check that I haven't over revved during my ownership, which they have confirmed that I haven't. The senior technician who checked the car over agreed with the sentiments above - he's had previous experience working on the super cup cars.

Dilemma - I want to achieve top money for my car, but some of the super geeks think it's a nail, or at least their tone suggests it!

Just to confirm - Porsche & the Independents have offered to buy the car from me at a 'reasonable' price.

If anyone has some genuine advice, I'd be eternally grateful.

Edited by BigO1977 on Wednesday 4th March 13:03

Knowing the car had these issues what discount to a RR free car did you pay can I ask?

[Soov535]

BigO1977 said:

I've recently decided to sell after 15 months of ownership..........................

It was over revved in range 1-4 approx 4/5 years ago...............

BUT

Big01977 said:

I want to achieve top money for my car................

You bought the car with the over-revs. I assume you paid less as a result. You will not get "top money" for this car. Having said that if it had a valid Porsche warranty then the discount should be small.

But you paid less for it, right? Lots less.

[thegoose]

Wow, less than a 1/10th of a second (at what 8500-9000rpm?) over 600 hours ago and people really think it matters? Imagine what the over-rev numbers could be like on many earlier cars (mis-shift on a 915 'box, anyone?) if they were available - no-one would buy anything.

There are 6 rev ranges from the redline onwards. Sit there and click your fingers. The engine in this thread has been in range 4 for about 1/4 of the time clicking your fingers took. Anyone rejecting that car on those grounds alone is seriously missing the wood for the trees. Reality check time!

[berty37]

I know what you mean Goose but with him saying he wants top money I imagine people who buy that will want an ECU with pretty much a clean bill of health. The Gen2 white car at JZM has RR1's (which as far as I know is just bouncing off the limiter. Also RR4 on a 997 GT3 is 9600-10,000 fyi.

[PorscheGT4]

may be so

it's all about ease of sale and moving it on though, Porsche put this in the way and now it affect every sale

those are the facts.

car may be a minter, But the next buyer will go "it had revs in range 4"
then you have to jump though hoops with bore scope testes and info to back it all up, just not worth the hassle.

one of today annoying Porsche buying selling issue

on a plus point you get to buy a car as a buyer knowing it's not been monkey shifted last week and is about to blow up.

so how ever bad people make this over revs out to be, it's nice buying private knowing its range is clean in 3 and above.

[Soov535]

While the car was the Porsche warranty it is fine, but without it Porsche will wash their hands of it.

[GoatRider]

Quite a good summary of what it all means here:

http://www.911virgin.com/porsche/rev-range-informa...

Virgin says "our purchase policy prevents us from considering a car with engine over rev activity beyond the rev limiter within the last 50 operating hours."

So yours would be fine then. There will be many knowledgeable buyers out there who will pay you good money.

Good luck.

[Scooty100]

Soov535 said:

You bought the car with the over-revs. I assume you paid less as a result. You will not get "top money" for this car. Having said that if it had a valid Porsche warranty then the discount should be small.

But you paid less for it, right? Lots less.

We are thinking along the same lines Soov535 be interesting to know what sort of discount he bought the car for if at all. Also agreed if it has a Porsche warranty then all well and good until the warranty expires or the car is to old to warranty

[mollytherocker]

Scooty100 said:

We are thinking along the same lines Soov535 be interesting to know what sort of discount he bought the car for if at all. Also agreed if it has a Porsche warranty then all well and good until the warranty expires or the car is to old to warranty

Would Porsche honour the warranty if the engine expired? I am not suggesting it will of course, it wont.

[996GT2]

Am I right in thinking that over-revs on the GT3 are a different kettle of fish to the standard cars and turbo/GT2 - the lower limit for RR1 is a few hundred RPM over redline isn't it?

[berty37]

mollytherocker said:

Scooty100 said:

We are thinking along the same lines Soov535 be interesting to know what sort of discount he bought the car for if at all. Also agreed if it has a Porsche warranty then all well and good until the warranty expires or the car is to old to warranty

Would Porsche honour the warranty if the engine expired? I am not suggesting it will of course, it wont.

Yes good point MTR..chap on here with his 997 Turbo he had rare occurrence of the Mezger blowing up they warrantied the car previously with over revs and then Porsche AG said no pay out. Luckily he persevered with it all and they eventually coughed up.

[BigO1977]

Porsche have offered to buy the car back (waiting buyer?!?) and have confirmed that they will renew the warranty. Just checked the paperwork and it's actually till April 2016, so plenty of time left on the existing warranty.

I paid the market rate for a low miler CS spec 997.1 from the main dealer at the time - December 2013.

I don't think I paid 'a lot less' as some are suggesting - I paid less that I want for it now, but isn't that the market?!?

Thanks for everyone's responses - And I think most agree that a car with over revs more than 600 hours ago that has been compression tested by the main dealer and has a current warranty, in addition to being offered a buy back by the same dealer, shouldn't be impacted too much by the over revs from many many years ago.

I can't even begin to imagine what my previous 993's & 964's have gone through on the over rev front, but I suppose that isn't a concern to the market.

When I say I want 'top money', I'm not unreasonable, but I don't want to offload the car for less than it's current worth, that's all. That said, the market is still very strong and the colour/spec/miles combination is pretty unique.

[996GT2]

BigO1977 said:

I can't even begin to imagine what my previous 993's & 964's have gone through on the over rev front, but I suppose that isn't a concern to the market.

Exactly. The reality is that your GT3 engine is probably in no different state to one with a clear bill of rev ranges. In around 2 years time no gen 1 997 GT3 will be able to have a warranty anyway so they'll all be judged on condition, which is what any sensible buyer should be doing anyway.

If you were looking long term on this car the over revs should be irrelevant.

[V8KSN]

BigO1977 said:

Porsche have offered to buy the car back (waiting buyer?!?) and have confirmed that they will renew the warranty. Just checked the paperwork and it's actually till April 2016, so plenty of time left on the existing warranty.

I paid the market rate for a low miler CS spec 997.1 from the main dealer at the time - December 2013.

I don't think I paid 'a lot less' as some are suggesting - I paid less that I want for it now, but isn't that the market?!?

Thanks for everyone's responses - And I think most agree that a car with over revs more than 600 hours ago that has been compression tested by the main dealer and has a current warranty, in addition to being offered a buy back by the same dealer, shouldn't be impacted too much by the over revs from many many years ago.

I can't even begin to imagine what my previous 993's & 964's have gone through on the over rev front, but I suppose that isn't a concern to the market.

When I say I want 'top money', I'm not unreasonable, but I don't want to offload the car for less than it's current worth, that's all. That said, the market is still very strong and the colour/spec/miles combination is pretty unique.

Out of interest, what do you think you will advertise it at?

Just curious really as I have a 997.1 GT3 with fatty bum bum seats and PCCB's but with a little more mileage than yours (as a side note, my car has NO over revs in any rev range)

[pete a]

On a GT3 does bouncing off the rev limiter register over revs or not, or does the limiter do its job and prevent this?

[Alpinestars]

It was over revved 20 to 30k miles ago, do people really think that's a problem?

[Henry Fiddleton]

Sorry totally dumb question - but wont the rev limit dictate the damage point?

Guessing Porsche here have a rev limit that is to high?

Dread to think if my mx5 track car was checked - I seem to miss 4th on the exit of Clearways every other lap!

Good luck with the sale, and if I was looking I would buy yours.

4 "over revs" 600 hours ago would have no affect on my potential purchase.