330d / 335d touring lease deals or am I wrong?
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So finally got my head right and ditched SUV plans...
Been looking at the 3 touring msport. Only do around 8-10k pa and a lot is the missus round town during the week.
3 questions:
1. Am I going to get DPF trouble ( had it with alfa 159 and does my head in ) and better of with a 328i??
2. Anyone seen any good prices on a 3+23 or 35 deals? Not bothered about many options or even pre reg.
3. What is the 'media pack' if it has no business media or professional on these about? Seems no answers anywhere on this!
Cheers for all advice
Blujez
Been looking at the 3 touring msport. Only do around 8-10k pa and a lot is the missus round town during the week.
3 questions:
1. Am I going to get DPF trouble ( had it with alfa 159 and does my head in ) and better of with a 328i??
2. Anyone seen any good prices on a 3+23 or 35 deals? Not bothered about many options or even pre reg.
3. What is the 'media pack' if it has no business media or professional on these about? Seems no answers anywhere on this!
Cheers for all advice
Blujez
blujez said:
So finally got my head right and ditched SUV plans...
Been looking at the 3 touring msport. Only do around 8-10k pa and a lot is the missus round town during the week.
3 questions:
1. Am I going to get DPF trouble ( had it with alfa 159 and does my head in ) and better of with a 328i??
2. Anyone seen any good prices on a 3+23 or 35 deals? Not bothered about many options or even pre reg.
3. What is the 'media pack' if it has no business media or professional on these about? Seems no answers anywhere on this!
Cheers for all advice
Blujez
This miles get the 328i/335i no question. Also DPF isn't an issue its a warranty item so if it goes big deal. Been looking at the 3 touring msport. Only do around 8-10k pa and a lot is the missus round town during the week.
3 questions:
1. Am I going to get DPF trouble ( had it with alfa 159 and does my head in ) and better of with a 328i??
2. Anyone seen any good prices on a 3+23 or 35 deals? Not bothered about many options or even pre reg.
3. What is the 'media pack' if it has no business media or professional on these about? Seems no answers anywhere on this!
Cheers for all advice
Blujez
As for media pack - you need to have Pro Nav not Businrss nav worth the extra no question.
Also the 335i allows you to have rwd and proper Msport suspension and sensible ride height the 335d sits high due to Xdrive and suspension is SE even if you order M sport as its not possible to get it factory order.
330d is also a great RWd car much better on economy than Xdrive 335d.
blujez said:
Cheers Welshbeef, good info!
Regarding the media system, on 2 occasions I have been offered cars with no business media and they seem unable to tell me what's there instead - a hole?? I simply cannot work it out?
Any ideas?
Just avoid those cars without business or pro. And don't dismiss the 330/335d - fab cars - just ensure it has MSport adaptive suspension (like Pro nav I consider this essential). Regarding the media system, on 2 occasions I have been offered cars with no business media and they seem unable to tell me what's there instead - a hole?? I simply cannot work it out?
Any ideas?
Edited to add: and that goes for 5 series too - Pro media plus adaptive.
Edited by drmark on Thursday 5th March 09:44
drmark said:
Welshbeef said:
For 8-10k a year?
Why not? Big six diesels work brilliantly with 8 speed box. Life isn't all about mpg, DPFs etc. Buy what you want. And I want effortless torque. I reserve revvy petrols for the weekend 
But each to their own.
As others have said, petrol will be best for that mileage.
If you don't want to stretch to the 335i then the 28i engine is actually a really good compromise. Plenty of push across the rev range, the only downside is the weedy sound Should add that mine is a 428i, but it's basically the same set up.
If you don't want to stretch to the 335i then the 28i engine is actually a really good compromise. Plenty of push across the rev range, the only downside is the weedy sound Should add that mine is a 428i, but it's basically the same set up.
drmark said:
It's torquey for a petrol engine but no match for a 335d. Have you driven one? Feels much less powerful low down unless you have a heavier right foot. I like the effortless pace of the 335d.
Both are good - the 335i total ownership cost will be much less than a 335d over that milage. Ie a big premium to prefer the surge. blujez said:
I love this, everyone constantly arguing about who is having the greatest time in their car. lulz.
I have an F31 335d and came from an E92 335i. IMO there are arguments in favour of both engines but at the mileage you're doing I'd go petrol rather than diesel (albeit I'd wait for the forthcoming 340i rather than going for the 335i); what's your reason for looking at a diesel given your relatively low annual mileage? 
t we could be running all our cars on methane..................Definitely petrol at anything below 15k/pa. Minimum of business media. Adaptive. Heated seats. Probably folding mirrors. Visibility package with adaptive headlights are nice to have. Some of the options such as business/pro media and in fact m sport package don't put the monthlies up by too much but other options make a dramatic difference.
I used this site to get to some quotes ...
http://www.contracthireandleasing.com/personal/car...
However getting a discounted price for a new car from the Internet, then ttake it to your local stealers and converting it to pcp with maintenance will probably give you a better monthly - it did for me.
http://www.pcpcal.co.uk Is useful for comparing stealer quotes.
What about secondhand? - there are some cracking e90 m3 at the about the same price as a 335i.
I used this site to get to some quotes ...
http://www.contracthireandleasing.com/personal/car...
However getting a discounted price for a new car from the Internet, then ttake it to your local stealers and converting it to pcp with maintenance will probably give you a better monthly - it did for me.
http://www.pcpcal.co.uk Is useful for comparing stealer quotes.
What about secondhand? - there are some cracking e90 m3 at the about the same price as a 335i.
To avoid vested interest (diesel v petrol) here is what Autocar think. Basically agree with opinions above.
"But there’s always more to a BMW than bald performance. The diesels are the smoothest, quietest powerplants in the class, while the six-cylinder petrol 335i motor is precisely the snarling, howling beast you’d hope for. It’s actually a twin-turbo unit, but so readily does it respond to your right foot that you’re rarely, if ever, aware of it.
Only the four-cylinder petrol engines fail to convince. Yes, they’re quiet enough and, in the case of the 243bhp 328i, deliver convincing performance, but it's never enough to make you wonder why on earth you’d not find the extra to buy the diesel. With advantages everywhere from range to resale via reduced fuel costs and low-down torque, the diesels are just better choices for all bar the genuinely low-mileage user.
And whichever 3-series you buy, you can be confident that it will come with either a first-class six-speed manual gearbox with expertly chosen ratios and a deftly judged clutch, or an eight-speed XF automatic transmission, widely regarded around the world, and, indeed, by us, as the best conventional auto on the market."
"But there’s always more to a BMW than bald performance. The diesels are the smoothest, quietest powerplants in the class, while the six-cylinder petrol 335i motor is precisely the snarling, howling beast you’d hope for. It’s actually a twin-turbo unit, but so readily does it respond to your right foot that you’re rarely, if ever, aware of it.
Only the four-cylinder petrol engines fail to convince. Yes, they’re quiet enough and, in the case of the 243bhp 328i, deliver convincing performance, but it's never enough to make you wonder why on earth you’d not find the extra to buy the diesel. With advantages everywhere from range to resale via reduced fuel costs and low-down torque, the diesels are just better choices for all bar the genuinely low-mileage user.
And whichever 3-series you buy, you can be confident that it will come with either a first-class six-speed manual gearbox with expertly chosen ratios and a deftly judged clutch, or an eight-speed XF automatic transmission, widely regarded around the world, and, indeed, by us, as the best conventional auto on the market."
drmark said:
To avoid vested interest (diesel v petrol) here is what Autocar think. Basically agree with opinions above.
"But there’s always more to a BMW than bald performance. The diesels are the smoothest, quietest powerplants in the class, while the six-cylinder petrol 335i motor is precisely the snarling, howling beast you’d hope for. It’s actually a twin-turbo unit, but so readily does it respond to your right foot that you’re rarely, if ever, aware of it.
Only the four-cylinder petrol engines fail to convince. Yes, they’re quiet enough and, in the case of the 243bhp 328i, deliver convincing performance, but it's never enough to make you wonder why on earth you’d not find the extra to buy the diesel. With advantages everywhere from range to resale via reduced fuel costs and low-down torque, the diesels are just better choices for all bar the genuinely low-mileage user.
And whichever 3-series you buy, you can be confident that it will come with either a first-class six-speed manual gearbox with expertly chosen ratios and a deftly judged clutch, or an eight-speed XF automatic transmission, widely regarded around the world, and, indeed, by us, as the best conventional auto on the market."
Interesting although my experience of the N55 petrol engine was that smoothness and refinement were actually its major assets (at least in the E92); it also made a nice noise when extended but for a sports coupe it sometimes didn't feel quite snarling or howling enough, certainly not in comparison to something like my old M3 CS! However, it did give pretty effortless go (mine was a manual but if you were feeling lazy you it would make decent progress in top without having to change down too much) and that, combined with decent fuel efficiency, made for a very acceptable daily driver. The 335d is without doubt very smooth and refined for a diesel and at steady speed cruising on a motorway or an A road it loses little or nothing to the 335i; however, you can tell what's under the bonnet every time you start it up and pull away from rest, accelerate out of roundabouts, etc - it's good but it's not 335i good. That said IMO that 35d engine combined with the 8 speed auto suits the F31 very well and its a very effective, effortless, overtaker; however, I'm not convinced it's much if any quicker than the 335i in that regard and it would be interesting to see some 30-90mph times to see just what the difference is!"But there’s always more to a BMW than bald performance. The diesels are the smoothest, quietest powerplants in the class, while the six-cylinder petrol 335i motor is precisely the snarling, howling beast you’d hope for. It’s actually a twin-turbo unit, but so readily does it respond to your right foot that you’re rarely, if ever, aware of it.
Only the four-cylinder petrol engines fail to convince. Yes, they’re quiet enough and, in the case of the 243bhp 328i, deliver convincing performance, but it's never enough to make you wonder why on earth you’d not find the extra to buy the diesel. With advantages everywhere from range to resale via reduced fuel costs and low-down torque, the diesels are just better choices for all bar the genuinely low-mileage user.
And whichever 3-series you buy, you can be confident that it will come with either a first-class six-speed manual gearbox with expertly chosen ratios and a deftly judged clutch, or an eight-speed XF automatic transmission, widely regarded around the world, and, indeed, by us, as the best conventional auto on the market."
JNW1 said:
Interesting although my experience of the N55 petrol engine was that smoothness and refinement were actually its major assets (at least in the E92); it also made a nice noise when extended but for a sports coupe it sometimes didn't feel quite snarling or howling enough, certainly not in comparison to something like my old M3 CS! However, it did give pretty effortless go (mine was a manual but if you were feeling lazy you it would make decent progress in top without having to change down too much) and that, combined with decent fuel efficiency, made for a very acceptable daily driver. The 335d is without doubt very smooth and refined for a diesel and at steady speed cruising on a motorway or an A road it loses little or nothing to the 335i; however, you can tell what's under the bonnet every time you start it up and pull away from rest, accelerate out of roundabouts, etc - it's good but it's not 335i good. That said IMO that 35d engine combined with the 8 speed auto suits the F31 very well and its a very effective, effortless, overtaker; however, I'm not convinced it's much if any quicker than the 335i in that regard and it would be interesting to see some 30-90mph times to see just what the difference is!
It's the effortless overtake with a twitch of the right foot I love. The 335i is in the same league but just has to be worked that bit harder to give its best. Plus there is a 10mpg difference twixt the two in the real world according to Autocar.But, as I said, each to their own.
drmark said:
It's the effortless overtake with a twitch of the right foot I love. The 335i is in the same league but just has to be worked that bit harder to give its best. Plus there is a 10mpg difference twixt the two in the real world according to Autocar.
But, as I said, each to their own.
On 10k miles its c£25pcm more on fuel + the number of overtakes in that distance will not really be that many its exceptionally low miles. But, as I said, each to their own.
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