1.6 Normally aspirated Vs 1.2 Turbo
Discussion
Whats everyones thoughts on 1.6 NA vs 1.2 T engines?
both can give out the same sorta power but its all about power delivery? Anyone had experience with both?
Looking between a 1.2 TCE vs 1.6 Renault engines, in either the Twingo/Clio.
Both give around the same insurance for myself so whats other thoughts do you guys have?
And what about other makes of engines with the same dilemma?
both can give out the same sorta power but its all about power delivery? Anyone had experience with both?
Looking between a 1.2 TCE vs 1.6 Renault engines, in either the Twingo/Clio.
Both give around the same insurance for myself so whats other thoughts do you guys have?
And what about other makes of engines with the same dilemma?
If you are looking at a 1.2TCe GT Twingo vs the 1.6 133 Renaulsport Twingo then both the engines and the cars are very different beasts, ypou need to drive them both as they both give quite a different experience; one is a hardcore handling and feeling hatch; 133, the other is a warmed over hatch; GT.
I love 133's, they are a proper old school hot hatch, but they can be very tiresome at times as you do have to work them hard to get the power out of them and they aren't refined at all.
In the Clio, I assume you are looking at Dynamique; 1.2TCe and GT Line; 1.6.
The GT Line is another warm hatch, more tepid TBH, it has stiffer suspension, sportier seats, double exhaust pipes and a bodykit; as a styling exercise it works, however the TCe engine in the Dynamique is a better engine, but there is nothing wrong with the 1.6.
You really need to go and try these cars, all are quite different.
Also if anyone says "don't buy a Renault they are s
t and always breakdown" or similar, ignore them. Make sure it has a decent history, cambelt has been done at the correct time and it will do you well.
I love 133's, they are a proper old school hot hatch, but they can be very tiresome at times as you do have to work them hard to get the power out of them and they aren't refined at all.
In the Clio, I assume you are looking at Dynamique; 1.2TCe and GT Line; 1.6.
The GT Line is another warm hatch, more tepid TBH, it has stiffer suspension, sportier seats, double exhaust pipes and a bodykit; as a styling exercise it works, however the TCe engine in the Dynamique is a better engine, but there is nothing wrong with the 1.6.
You really need to go and try these cars, all are quite different.
Also if anyone says "don't buy a Renault they are s
t and always breakdown" or similar, ignore them. Make sure it has a decent history, cambelt has been done at the correct time and it will do you well. 22Rgt said:
Really do NOT bother with a Renault! They have poorly finished paintwork, cheap tacky interiors, wooly gear changes, cr@p electrics and suffer the st French car image and depreciation on most models is dire..
The ex has a Twingo 1.2 Turbo, it's now 5 years old and over 40,000 miles. It had it first expense beyond normal servicing for the first time last week - coil pack. It's such an unreliable heap, 1 problem in 5 years is just not acceptable and I think she should be taking Renault to court immediately!t French car image and depreciation on most models is dire.. poing said:
The ex has a Twingo 1.2 Turbo, it's now 5 years old and over 40,000 miles. It had it first expense beyond normal servicing for the first time last week - coil pack. It's such an unreliable heap, 1 problem in 5 years is just not acceptable and I think she should be taking Renault to court immediately!
I hope they furnish you with an exact replica of your car as a courtesy car or I'd complain about that aswell.DanielSan said:
poing said:
The ex has a Twingo 1.2 Turbo, it's now 5 years old and over 40,000 miles. It had it first expense beyond normal servicing for the first time last week - coil pack. It's such an unreliable heap, 1 problem in 5 years is just not acceptable and I think she should be taking Renault to court immediately!
I hope they furnish you with an exact replica of your car as a courtesy car or I'd complain about that aswell.I've owned a 1.6NA Clio GT and a 1.2TSI Seat Leon.
Clio's power came at 6,750rpm and if you were below 4000 you can forget any hope of progress! The Leon had the torque between 2000-4000 but the top end was boring and it always felt reluctant to reach the red line.
I'm an NA man through and through, but I can't blame anyone who's opts for blown power these days.
Clio's power came at 6,750rpm and if you were below 4000 you can forget any hope of progress! The Leon had the torque between 2000-4000 but the top end was boring and it always felt reluctant to reach the red line.
I'm an NA man through and through, but I can't blame anyone who's opts for blown power these days.
OldGermanHeaps said:
Yes renaults are utter st, no one should buy them avoid like the plague or get on first name terms with the aa man.
(Hopefully that should keep used prices down for us that like them...)
Funny thing is I know an RAC man, he has just bought his third new Renault from me and collects it at the end of the month. I asked him what make he has the most call outs for; in terms of breakdowns; "Volkswagen" was his answer, followed by "most of the other Germans"!t, no one should buy them avoid like the plague or get on first name terms with the aa man.(Hopefully that should keep used prices down for us that like them...)
22Rgt said:
Really do NOT bother with a Renault! They have poorly finished paintwork, cheap tacky interiors, wooly gear changes, cr@p electrics and suffer the st French car image and depreciation on most models is dire..
What Renault did you own that makes you say this? They are as good as any other eurobox on the market, it's just plums like you that still have there head pushed up the 1990's arse that stops you from forming a valid opinion. t French car image and depreciation on most models is dire.. Or prove me wrong and provide me an image of this terrible paintwork you mention, cheap interiors (define an 'expensive' finish on an average European car) and of course this wooly gear change you mention..... I'm waiting.
I have a 133 Twingo, it's faster than the 1.2Tce but will be less torquey, probably not as easy to drive day to day.
If you're trying to choose between the two, drive both.
The RS133 will be significantly more fun, its handling is miles ahead of the GT Tce.
Neither are refined in the slightest, they have rubbish interiors but in the 133 you get nicer seats etc to look a bit "sporty".
If you're trying to choose between the two, drive both.
The RS133 will be significantly more fun, its handling is miles ahead of the GT Tce.
Neither are refined in the slightest, they have rubbish interiors but in the 133 you get nicer seats etc to look a bit "sporty".
poing said:
22Rgt said:
Really do NOT bother with a Renault! They have poorly finished paintwork, cheap tacky interiors, wooly gear changes, cr@p electrics and suffer the st French car image and depreciation on most models is dire..
The ex has a Twingo 1.2 Turbo, it's now 5 years old and over 40,000 miles. It had it first expense beyond normal servicing for the first time last week - coil pack. It's such an unreliable heap, 1 problem in 5 years is just not acceptable and I think she should be taking Renault to court immediately!t French car image and depreciation on most models is dire.. Other than that I did need two drop links and two front springs at about 80k but with the almost unavoidable potholes and speed bumps around I think problems like this happen. I had a snapped spring on my Corsa B as well.
Everything else has just been normal wear and tear consumables (two sets of front discs and pads, plenty of filters and fluids, one set of plugs (expensive! but meant to last for a long time), tyres and a timing belt)
Currently on 95k, did need something on the last MoT... number plate bulb.
I plan on driving both cars, I just wanted opinions in how most newer cars are using the smaller turbos and how the NA engines will become scarcer.
Other cars such as Ford (with the 1.0Ecoboost vs the 1.6) have the same dilemma, different power delivery but both good reviews!!
The car would be my first anyway, so it would be either the 1.6 or the 1.2 turbo of any make/equivs.
I will never understand the people who buy the 1.0 NA engines over the Turbo'd engines though, such as the new twingo having both options... seems silly to me!!
Other cars such as Ford (with the 1.0Ecoboost vs the 1.6) have the same dilemma, different power delivery but both good reviews!!
The car would be my first anyway, so it would be either the 1.6 or the 1.2 turbo of any make/equivs.
I will never understand the people who buy the 1.0 NA engines over the Turbo'd engines though, such as the new twingo having both options... seems silly to me!!
HTP99 said:
OldGermanHeaps said:
Yes renaults are utter st, no one should buy them avoid like the plague or get on first name terms with the aa man.
(Hopefully that should keep used prices down for us that like them...)
Funny thing is I know an RAC man, he has just bought his third new Renault from me and collects it at the end of the month. I asked him what make he has the most call outs for; in terms of breakdowns; "Volkswagen" was his answer, followed by "most of the other Germans"!t, no one should buy them avoid like the plague or get on first name terms with the aa man.(Hopefully that should keep used prices down for us that like them...)
The Ibiza that replaced it broke down 4 times in 5 yrs.
Sheepshanks said:
Missus ran a Clio for 5 yrs and the only thing that went wrong was both rear coil springs were found to be broken at its 4yr service - Renault replaced FOC.
The Ibiza that replaced it broke down 4 times in 5 yrs.
Only the really old renaults were knackered, The Ibiza that replaced it broke down 4 times in 5 yrs.
I dont know where they get it all from...
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