Jaguar XF - Corrosion..!!!
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Orcadian said:
Looking at your very first pic, there appears to be a definite edge to the paint which looks suspiciously like filler. At such a young age, could this have had a repair in that area before? May have been stone rashed early on, or perhaps caught on a low wall/stone/ kerb and not prepped and treated properly before paint. Boot lid is definitely their problem though.
My last Berlingo van (2005 1/2) was in far better condition than that, even on Orkney roads and tracks but it had a healthy factory application of plasticised stone chip around those vulnerable areas. My 2000 Daimler Super V8 has only a few small marks, bu no corrosion issues.
Hope you get some satisfaction from Jaguar.
There is the possibility the car has had a repair before I purchased it so not sure where I would stand from a 'fit for purpose' perspective considering the car was purchased from Jag as an approved used vehicle.My last Berlingo van (2005 1/2) was in far better condition than that, even on Orkney roads and tracks but it had a healthy factory application of plasticised stone chip around those vulnerable areas. My 2000 Daimler Super V8 has only a few small marks, bu no corrosion issues.
Hope you get some satisfaction from Jaguar.
Just for information I have checked back through my records and I'm not trying to absolve myself of any responsibility here afterall it is my car but the vehicle was subjected to a Jag healthcheck in Nov 2014 and again in Feb 2015 when I had the front discs / pads replaced. There is a section for BODYWORK COSMETIC REPAIRS which was given a green light certainly no reference to any issues with the front wing which hasn't corroded like that overnight I wouldn't imagine..!!
cptsideways said:
The rusty Merc's will be the 2000 era Corrosion Class of which the E's were the worst & yes exceptionally Datsun spec. Post 2006 that was sorted out. Audi's now that's one brand you never see rusty unless it's a bodged repair, properly galvanised bodywork on all of them.
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ks. I've seen plenty of post 06 Audi's with corrosion. My other half's 58 plate TT Roadster had dreadful corrosion on the tops of the rear quarters on both sides which was rectified by Coventry Audi. It was a one owner car and was just 3yrs old when she bought it, are you telling me that's had a shoddy repair on both rear quarters?OP - I've never seen an XF go there, bootlid is a different story though. I'm surprised you didn't notice sooner as that has to have been like that for a while. The paint looks extremely thin there too.
ShyTallKnight said:
There is the possibility the car has had a repair before I purchased it so not sure where I would stand from a 'fit for purpose' perspective considering the car was purchased from Jag as an approved used vehicle.
Just for information I have checked back through my records and I'm not trying to absolve myself of any responsibility here afterall it is my car but the vehicle was subjected to a Jag healthcheck in Nov 2014 and again in Feb 2015 when I had the front discs / pads replaced. There is a section for BODYWORK COSMETIC REPAIRS which was given a green light certainly no reference to any issues with the front wing which hasn't corroded like that overnight I wouldn't imagine..!!
If you bought it from Jaguar then I would expect them to have knowledge of any painted areas - It's not hard to tell with a paint depth gauge. As I said in my first post I suspect it's been painted before.Just for information I have checked back through my records and I'm not trying to absolve myself of any responsibility here afterall it is my car but the vehicle was subjected to a Jag healthcheck in Nov 2014 and again in Feb 2015 when I had the front discs / pads replaced. There is a section for BODYWORK COSMETIC REPAIRS which was given a green light certainly no reference to any issues with the front wing which hasn't corroded like that overnight I wouldn't imagine..!!
Turkish91 said:
bks. I've seen plenty of post 06 Audi's with corrosion. My other half's 58 plate TT Roadster had dreadful corrosion on the tops of the rear quarters on both sides which was rectified by Coventry Audi.
My other half's TT had the exact same issue, repaired at Coventry Audi too.ks. I've seen plenty of post 06 Audi's with corrosion. My other half's 58 plate TT Roadster had dreadful corrosion on the tops of the rear quarters on both sides which was rectified by Coventry Audi. I would be pursuing the line that the wing/sill has been repaired/repainted previously. Get them to test the paint depth to determine whether the panels been resprayed. If it has, surely the responsibility lies with the dealership you bought the car from because as an approved used vehicle they are guaranteeing that the car is up to standard.
ShyTallKnight said:
Ok chaps I've just been to have the car inspected at Jaguar. The guy photographed the areas of corrosion and seems quite confident the bootlid will be sorted under warranty. However, he was adament the wing corrosion will not be covered (I suspected as much) but also took a photograph and said he would talk with CS.... His view is that it looks like a stonechip has propagated. However, my view upon inspecting the NS as comparison is that yes, there is some road rash evident but surely the stonechip protection must be insufficient if that is the end result after 4.5 years and 56k miles..!! I don't inspect every inch of the car weekly but it is looked after and goes into Jaguar for servicing, brakes and tyres and they always send me a 100 and whatever point inspection report after every visit so am I being unreasonable that the wing should also be sorted..??
My advice to XF owners though is to check your wheelarches..!!!
No you arent being unreasonable about the wheel arch. That iusnt normal stone chip damage - the corrosion has travelled underneath the paint which indicates poor pre paint preparation. Maybe even contamination that prevented adhesion. The metal on the bodywork should have an anti rust primer if not galvanisedMy advice to XF owners though is to check your wheelarches..!!!
A brief update in case anyone is interested.
After what appears to be a pretty major communication breakdown between the dealer, Jag warranty people and the assigned bodyshop it appears the repair to the bootlid was authorised within a week of me raising the claim...!! So, it is now booked in for the first week in Sept for repair.
Regarding the front wing Jag have effectively washed their hands of it and I am going to sort it myself at a local bodyshop and also take the opportunity to replace the tarnished chrome window trims and do some general tidying up after 65k miles of use.
Love the car still but the bodywork 'issues' have really soured the ownership experience.
After what appears to be a pretty major communication breakdown between the dealer, Jag warranty people and the assigned bodyshop it appears the repair to the bootlid was authorised within a week of me raising the claim...!! So, it is now booked in for the first week in Sept for repair.
Regarding the front wing Jag have effectively washed their hands of it and I am going to sort it myself at a local bodyshop and also take the opportunity to replace the tarnished chrome window trims and do some general tidying up after 65k miles of use.
Love the car still but the bodywork 'issues' have really soured the ownership experience.
That's real shame that they won't sort the arch, but I still feel that it was as a result of a bad repair before you got the car. I hope the warranty body shop allows time to remove the trim near the boot lid issue, otherwise that will creep back out sometime soon, especially following next winter.
The wheel arch problem needs some 'sympathy' from someone used to corrosion removal and prevention, like a classic restorer. Many body shops just go over the rough bit with a DA sander, then fill and prime/paint. Definitely NOT what you want,. It needs any rust properly neutralising (and checking behind too) before refinishing and protecting.
Hope you don't mind if I'm teaching you to suck eggs, but I've seen lots of poor blow overs and disappointed owners.
Ian
The wheel arch problem needs some 'sympathy' from someone used to corrosion removal and prevention, like a classic restorer. Many body shops just go over the rough bit with a DA sander, then fill and prime/paint. Definitely NOT what you want,. It needs any rust properly neutralising (and checking behind too) before refinishing and protecting.
Hope you don't mind if I'm teaching you to suck eggs, but I've seen lots of poor blow overs and disappointed owners.
Ian
ShyTallKnight said:
A brief update in case anyone is interested.
After what appears to be a pretty major communication breakdown between the dealer, Jag warranty people and the assigned bodyshop it appears the repair to the bootlid was authorised within a week of me raising the claim...!! So, it is now booked in for the first week in Sept for repair.
Regarding the front wing Jag have effectively washed their hands of it and I am going to sort it myself at a local bodyshop and also take the opportunity to replace the tarnished chrome window trims and do some general tidying up after 65k miles of use.
Love the car still but the bodywork 'issues' have really soured the ownership experience.
I would be pushing the dealer to do something about the wing. It looks like a potential repair before you purchased it, and as such it was the dealer who presented the car, no doubt as prestine approved used.After what appears to be a pretty major communication breakdown between the dealer, Jag warranty people and the assigned bodyshop it appears the repair to the bootlid was authorised within a week of me raising the claim...!! So, it is now booked in for the first week in Sept for repair.
Regarding the front wing Jag have effectively washed their hands of it and I am going to sort it myself at a local bodyshop and also take the opportunity to replace the tarnished chrome window trims and do some general tidying up after 65k miles of use.
Love the car still but the bodywork 'issues' have really soured the ownership experience.
Orcadian said:
That's real shame that they won't sort the arch, but I still feel that it was as a result of a bad repair before you got the car. I hope the warranty body shop allows time to remove the trim near the boot lid issue, otherwise that will creep back out sometime soon, especially following next winter.
The wheel arch problem needs some 'sympathy' from someone used to corrosion removal and prevention, like a classic restorer. Many body shops just go over the rough bit with a DA sander, then fill and prime/paint. Definitely NOT what you want,. It needs any rust properly neutralising (and checking behind too) before refinishing and protecting.
Hope you don't mind if I'm teaching you to suck eggs, but I've seen lots of poor blow overs and disappointed owners.
Ian
Hi Ian, no not at all thanks for the insight. I'm not sure whether the wing has been repaired previously I will ask the body shop owned and operated by a good friend of mine so I trust they know what they're doing..!! However it requires sorting either way so just want it done now.The wheel arch problem needs some 'sympathy' from someone used to corrosion removal and prevention, like a classic restorer. Many body shops just go over the rough bit with a DA sander, then fill and prime/paint. Definitely NOT what you want,. It needs any rust properly neutralising (and checking behind too) before refinishing and protecting.
Hope you don't mind if I'm teaching you to suck eggs, but I've seen lots of poor blow overs and disappointed owners.
Ian
It is galling though spending all that hard earned on an approved used vehicle from a 'prestige' marque and I'm having to pay to correct issues I shouldn't have to in my opinion. Anyway, other than these issues the car has been faultless and I still think it's a great all rounder so I'll just have to hang onto it for a while longer to get my money's worth.
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