Fiesta ST180 Mountune MR230 Kit...
Discussion
Well.......... I had the mountune kit on my ZS previously and compared to standard it whooped ass.
This kit is going to cost circa £2300..... Seems a looooooot of cash. This would probably void your warranty as well, so there might be a lot of business that mountune will miss out on due to the massive cost compared to their rivals..
That being said, mountune know the cars inside and out.
Anyone getting it?
0.60 in 5.9, so it won't be far of the MK2 RS performance wise, probably a lot sharper in the corners as well
This kit is going to cost circa £2300..... Seems a looooooot of cash. This would probably void your warranty as well, so there might be a lot of business that mountune will miss out on due to the massive cost compared to their rivals..
That being said, mountune know the cars inside and out.
Anyone getting it?
0.60 in 5.9, so it won't be far of the MK2 RS performance wise, probably a lot sharper in the corners as well
Yeah, having owned mountune bits and bobs the MR kits absolutely void your warranty. The MP kit doesn't. It is around £700 for 15bhp with the MP kit though. This thing is £2300 and bumps you up from 180(200 on overboost) to 230. Bit over priced I feel seeing as Revo or Peron or just about anyone else would cost a fair chunk less. Mountune should have brought out MP230 kit and maybe later an MR250. Shocking business move.
Mountune have a product strategy and it works for them - the approach they have taken with the Fiesta doesn't differ from any other model.
Typically the MP kit is launched close to the car launch and does not invalidate the "base vehicle warranty" - and then as the earliest cars approach the end of their warranty, they then launch the MR kit.
Mountune are the only tuner that have access to Ford's test programs and engine data - and that's their niche. They don't chase headline figures, but tend to play it a bit safe.
I see Mountune as the Apple of the Ford tuning world - you pays your money and this is what you get. Some people prefer PCs and pick and choose their components, and other tuners offer that. You pays your money, you takes your choice.
Typically the MP kit is launched close to the car launch and does not invalidate the "base vehicle warranty" - and then as the earliest cars approach the end of their warranty, they then launch the MR kit.
Mountune are the only tuner that have access to Ford's test programs and engine data - and that's their niche. They don't chase headline figures, but tend to play it a bit safe.
I see Mountune as the Apple of the Ford tuning world - you pays your money and this is what you get. Some people prefer PCs and pick and choose their components, and other tuners offer that. You pays your money, you takes your choice.
As Podie says about the data Mountune can get from Ford. They also make safer power, rather than sky high, pub talk numbers. A mate went to a Ford rolling road day for Focus RS and ST's and found lots of aftermarket tuners running much closer to detonation and destruction to gain figures. He said he would only buy Mountune after that day.
I believe that's fitted.
Price up a cutback, down pipe, 200 cell cat, inter cooler, charge pipe, silicone induction hoses and whatever else there is hardware wise, add some money for a map and fitting - I have no idea how it compares to other options.
Interestingly, a quick Google shows one tuner offering a decaf - which I thought was an MOT fail?
Price up a cutback, down pipe, 200 cell cat, inter cooler, charge pipe, silicone induction hoses and whatever else there is hardware wise, add some money for a map and fitting - I have no idea how it compares to other options.
Interestingly, a quick Google shows one tuner offering a decaf - which I thought was an MOT fail?
From Autocar website today:
2015 Ford Fiesta ST3 CP3 Performance Pack review
Collins Performance has given the Fiesta ST 270bhp and 265lb ft, but has our favourite fast Ford been ruined in the process?
What is it?:
It's a chance for fans of the superb Ford Fiesta ST either to wince and shake their heads or sit up straight and take notice, depending on how they like their hot hatches.
We did the latter when Mountune announced it was hiking the ST's power from 180bhp to 212bhp back in 2013, and the results were good. For 2015, Collins Performance has somewhat raised the bar. You see, its ST, in this state, produces 270bhp and 265lb ft.
This actually represents the third and final tier of CP's ST upgrade packages. A new Mongoose exhaust, Airtec intercooler, ITG induction system, CPE turbocharger and revised ECU mapping are your rewards for choosing to laugh in the face of tiers one and two.
The cost for going this big? A full £2965, including fitting and a discount if you let CP keep your old turbo. Our car was also fitted with the firm's Dynamic Chassis upgrade, which swaps the ST's standard front wishbone and rear beam bushes for stiffer ones, and costs a further £440.
This sort of power from a 1.6 petrol is nothing new - see Peugeot's RCZ R - but that's a car that relies heavily on its limited-slip differential. So how does a similarly potent but slippy diff-less Fiesta ST get on?
What's it like?:
Noticeably more aggressive from the moment you press the Collins Performance-branded starter button and fire it into life. Our car's burbling single-box exhaust can be swapped for a quieter twin-box item for no extra cost, but if standing out is your thing, we'd keep things as they are here.
Pulling away reveals two things. Firstly, CP hasn't messed with the gearbox, which is a very good thing: it's as slick and positive as ever. Secondly, and less appealing, is the amount of vibration sent through the cabin by the exhaust as the car pulls itself out of low revs.
Around town, it's a matter of persevering with them, but once the road opens you'll likely forget them. Flooring the throttle is followed by a second or two of the new turbo whistling to life before the front wheels and traction control begin some serious negotiation.
However, the visions of a tyre-smoking, torque-steering, leafy accident - in that order - never become reality. In gear, power and torque delivery is progressive enough to ensure that traction eventually wins the day, the steering wheel doesn't squirm uncontrollably in your hands and performance is hold-on-tight impressive.
Some of the figures we experienced tell the story. Our CP Fiesta was 1.4sec quicker from 30-50mph and 1.8sec quicker 50-70mph in fifth gear than the standard ST, and with its traction control switched off (and some careful clutch control) we managed to fire it from 0-60mph in 5.9sec - a second quicker than standard. An entry-level Porsche Boxster is just a tenth quicker.
Of course, just like the standard ST, stamping on the power too early mid-corner causes the front wheels to run wide, only more dramatically so. But this is just as easily remedied by lifting off, listening the turbocharger exhale with a hiss, feeling the back wheels inch out and tucking the front wheels back on course.
Collins Performance CP3 development testing on the ST's standard chassis found the back to be snappier than usual, but if anything, we think the front end has lost just a hint of its urgency with the Dynamic Chassis upgrade's stiffer bushes.
We're talking minute differences, though, and without trying both back-to-back it's hard to judge whether spending the extra on it is necessary. Ultimately, it'll make little difference on the road, and even if you were slightly slower cornering on track, you'll be having just as much fun, and more than make up the for lost split seconds by barrelling down the straights more quickly.
The CP3 pack can be fitted to any grade of ST, but our car was an ST3 model, so came with everything the standard car does - most notably the superbly supportive Recaro front seats and sat-nav. The branded starter button, boot lid sticker and engine cover branding are standard, but thankfully the side stripes and exteriro branding aren't - they're another £120.
Should I buy one?:
If you value your Ford warranty, probably not - at least not until it runs out. Collins Performance packages aren't recognised officially by Ford, but CP will sell you a third-party warranty if you can't wait until the end of your agreement.
To keep costs down, CP will sell the upgrades as standalone parts for you to fit yourself. Either way, it's a far pricier prospect than Mountune's MP 215 upgrade, but it's a just one given its more advanced mechanicals and subsequent performance figures.
We still think the Fiesta ST is best in its, purest, standard state, but if your ST is nearing its third birthday (as many are) and you're in the market for more performance, this is an expensive but usable and genuinely entertaining way to spice things up.
Ford Fiesta ST3 CP3 Performance Pack
Location Surrey; On sale Now; Price £22,360 (£2965 for the pack, fitted) Engine 4 cyls in line, 1596cc, turbocharged, petrol; Power 270bhp at 6250rpm; Torque 265lb ft at 3400rpm; Gearbox 6-spd manual; Kerb weight na; Top speed na; 0-60mph 5.9sec (tested); Economy na; CO2/tax band na
2015 Ford Fiesta ST3 CP3 Performance Pack review
Collins Performance has given the Fiesta ST 270bhp and 265lb ft, but has our favourite fast Ford been ruined in the process?
What is it?:
It's a chance for fans of the superb Ford Fiesta ST either to wince and shake their heads or sit up straight and take notice, depending on how they like their hot hatches.
We did the latter when Mountune announced it was hiking the ST's power from 180bhp to 212bhp back in 2013, and the results were good. For 2015, Collins Performance has somewhat raised the bar. You see, its ST, in this state, produces 270bhp and 265lb ft.
This actually represents the third and final tier of CP's ST upgrade packages. A new Mongoose exhaust, Airtec intercooler, ITG induction system, CPE turbocharger and revised ECU mapping are your rewards for choosing to laugh in the face of tiers one and two.
The cost for going this big? A full £2965, including fitting and a discount if you let CP keep your old turbo. Our car was also fitted with the firm's Dynamic Chassis upgrade, which swaps the ST's standard front wishbone and rear beam bushes for stiffer ones, and costs a further £440.
This sort of power from a 1.6 petrol is nothing new - see Peugeot's RCZ R - but that's a car that relies heavily on its limited-slip differential. So how does a similarly potent but slippy diff-less Fiesta ST get on?
What's it like?:
Noticeably more aggressive from the moment you press the Collins Performance-branded starter button and fire it into life. Our car's burbling single-box exhaust can be swapped for a quieter twin-box item for no extra cost, but if standing out is your thing, we'd keep things as they are here.
Pulling away reveals two things. Firstly, CP hasn't messed with the gearbox, which is a very good thing: it's as slick and positive as ever. Secondly, and less appealing, is the amount of vibration sent through the cabin by the exhaust as the car pulls itself out of low revs.
Around town, it's a matter of persevering with them, but once the road opens you'll likely forget them. Flooring the throttle is followed by a second or two of the new turbo whistling to life before the front wheels and traction control begin some serious negotiation.
However, the visions of a tyre-smoking, torque-steering, leafy accident - in that order - never become reality. In gear, power and torque delivery is progressive enough to ensure that traction eventually wins the day, the steering wheel doesn't squirm uncontrollably in your hands and performance is hold-on-tight impressive.
Some of the figures we experienced tell the story. Our CP Fiesta was 1.4sec quicker from 30-50mph and 1.8sec quicker 50-70mph in fifth gear than the standard ST, and with its traction control switched off (and some careful clutch control) we managed to fire it from 0-60mph in 5.9sec - a second quicker than standard. An entry-level Porsche Boxster is just a tenth quicker.
Of course, just like the standard ST, stamping on the power too early mid-corner causes the front wheels to run wide, only more dramatically so. But this is just as easily remedied by lifting off, listening the turbocharger exhale with a hiss, feeling the back wheels inch out and tucking the front wheels back on course.
Collins Performance CP3 development testing on the ST's standard chassis found the back to be snappier than usual, but if anything, we think the front end has lost just a hint of its urgency with the Dynamic Chassis upgrade's stiffer bushes.
We're talking minute differences, though, and without trying both back-to-back it's hard to judge whether spending the extra on it is necessary. Ultimately, it'll make little difference on the road, and even if you were slightly slower cornering on track, you'll be having just as much fun, and more than make up the for lost split seconds by barrelling down the straights more quickly.
The CP3 pack can be fitted to any grade of ST, but our car was an ST3 model, so came with everything the standard car does - most notably the superbly supportive Recaro front seats and sat-nav. The branded starter button, boot lid sticker and engine cover branding are standard, but thankfully the side stripes and exteriro branding aren't - they're another £120.
Should I buy one?:
If you value your Ford warranty, probably not - at least not until it runs out. Collins Performance packages aren't recognised officially by Ford, but CP will sell you a third-party warranty if you can't wait until the end of your agreement.
To keep costs down, CP will sell the upgrades as standalone parts for you to fit yourself. Either way, it's a far pricier prospect than Mountune's MP 215 upgrade, but it's a just one given its more advanced mechanicals and subsequent performance figures.
We still think the Fiesta ST is best in its, purest, standard state, but if your ST is nearing its third birthday (as many are) and you're in the market for more performance, this is an expensive but usable and genuinely entertaining way to spice things up.
Ford Fiesta ST3 CP3 Performance Pack
Location Surrey; On sale Now; Price £22,360 (£2965 for the pack, fitted) Engine 4 cyls in line, 1596cc, turbocharged, petrol; Power 270bhp at 6250rpm; Torque 265lb ft at 3400rpm; Gearbox 6-spd manual; Kerb weight na; Top speed na; 0-60mph 5.9sec (tested); Economy na; CO2/tax band na
So they have a tonne more ponies but similar stats in terms of the speeds claimed. For £2300 you get 230 and for £2900 whatever it was 270 but similar stats? Engine would possibly blow up then!
Mountune would be the only ones to get my cash but unless my lotto numbers come in I probably won't be getting it anytime soon.
I imagine mountune will do an additional upgrade with bigger turbo maybe next year... That would be insane.
Mountune would be the only ones to get my cash but unless my lotto numbers come in I probably won't be getting it anytime soon.
I imagine mountune will do an additional upgrade with bigger turbo maybe next year... That would be insane.
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Dunno, not an owner but currently enjoying a few days in a rental (standard ST180). Cracking bit of kit IMO.
Don't think it really lacks much power tbh., the MP215 tune sounds like spot on in paper form. More HP could move the thing out of its comfort zone, trigger an upgrade-fest in other areas and cast doubt on long term reliability and running costs. For me, that would be spoiling it's recipe a bit. If you want much quicker, might be worthwhile to start with a faster base car?
I'm very tempted to get one, despite not liking the looks of the thing *at all*. But it is such an ace drive and really excellent value. Personally, I'd like a few tweaks, and would look first at making it less bouncy at higher speeds. Bit annoying @ > 100 mph. Different springs/dampers/lighter wheels? Then the MP215 upgrade. Done.
Don't think it really lacks much power tbh., the MP215 tune sounds like spot on in paper form. More HP could move the thing out of its comfort zone, trigger an upgrade-fest in other areas and cast doubt on long term reliability and running costs. For me, that would be spoiling it's recipe a bit. If you want much quicker, might be worthwhile to start with a faster base car?
I'm very tempted to get one, despite not liking the looks of the thing *at all*. But it is such an ace drive and really excellent value. Personally, I'd like a few tweaks, and would look first at making it less bouncy at higher speeds. Bit annoying @ > 100 mph. Different springs/dampers/lighter wheels? Then the MP215 upgrade. Done.
Peron P2xx is significantly cheaper and produces class leading results on paper and on the road, 238bhp and 280lb ft running the same boost level as Mountune and on a better intercooler, perfectly safe. No doubt the Mountune kit is well put together but for the price, you're paying for alot of stuff you dont really need.
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