Cayman R - owners/buyers/mods

[Axel987]

Ive installed engine mounts. great upgrade!

[edc]

J-P said:

edc said:

J-P said:

edc said:

J-P said:

Agree - I'll do the RSS mods when I have the £3k or so I need, but I do find it a little slow on initial turn-in.

I know you probably have an aversion to this but consider the top mount slot drill mod. Of course I don't have as much invested in an R but I have done this to both my Boxsters to good effect and it has cost nothing. It sounds drastic but it's as good as invisible, after all you are talking a mere 5mm or so.

No I don't want to do this. I'd rather spend the cash and have something that's going to improve feel as well as response (and look pretty cool to boot).

Earlier on you wrote about understeer in hairpins. This will give you a quick, cheap and easy way to deliver more negative camber and try a different set up out before chucking a load of money at the car. I know the looking cool remark is tongue in cheek but you are never going to see these parts in the main and they will get dirty just like anything else. I have some adjustable rear toe links on my car and in the main I forget they are there until I come to clean underneath or do some work and then I think 'forgot I had those, they look cool!'

Edit - I suggest this because I have seen your posts and you take a quite deliberate approach to your mods. Bit by bit and slowly rather than throwing the kitchen sink at it. This mod doesn't have to be the end goal but it helps you get a feel for a different set up before spending any big money.

Edited by edc on Friday 26th June 10:16

I really appreciate this post - you're right. I like to do a mod, see how I go, then add a bit more. So far it has meant developing a far greater appreciation of the car, both as a stock item and post mods. Basically, I don't want to ruin my car, so whilst I'm happy to hone it and gradually make it better, I want to be able to revert back to standard, if the mod ruins the overall package. I think next up for me will be better engine and transmission mounts (although I'm worried about excessive NVH), still I've been assured that these new mounts will not totally screw the NVH.

Honestly, your approach is not dis-similar to mine. I did it all bit by bit on my first Boxster. With Boxster number 2 I just skipped to the end stage of where the first one ended up as I had prior experience of them. Now I am where I was with the first Boxster but adding bits slowly but surely. So far this has meant on top of the previous: 100 cell cats, aluminium lower rear suspension brace , rear adjustable toe links and now poly gearbox mounts.

I was a little worried like you about too much NVH with firmer mounts. Mine are not retail products as such as they are the OE mounts with the hydro-elastic removed and replaced with poly material. So aside from the dayglow colour, looks stock. I have kept the old mounts too. I don't know if the R or 987 gearbox mounts are different to a 986. 1 hour labour to change.

With the top mount slot mod, whilst not reversible as such, you can go back to your previous geometry with no bother. I don't know how best to describe it to you as I think you feel this mod is like a load of mangled metal. Under the front plastic scuttle covers is a round plastic cap giving access to the top mount nut. This piece is already slotted to allow factory camber adjustment. The mod extends this 10mm slot to about 15mm. You make your adjustments for extra camber in situ and no differently to factory, replace plastic cap then covers and off you go! Unless you measure the slot there is almost no way to tell the difference.

[J-P]

edc said:

J-P said:

edc said:

J-P said:

edc said:

J-P said:

Agree - I'll do the RSS mods when I have the £3k or so I need, but I do find it a little slow on initial turn-in.

I know you probably have an aversion to this but consider the top mount slot drill mod. Of course I don't have as much invested in an R but I have done this to both my Boxsters to good effect and it has cost nothing. It sounds drastic but it's as good as invisible, after all you are talking a mere 5mm or so.

No I don't want to do this. I'd rather spend the cash and have something that's going to improve feel as well as response (and look pretty cool to boot).

Earlier on you wrote about understeer in hairpins. This will give you a quick, cheap and easy way to deliver more negative camber and try a different set up out before chucking a load of money at the car. I know the looking cool remark is tongue in cheek but you are never going to see these parts in the main and they will get dirty just like anything else. I have some adjustable rear toe links on my car and in the main I forget they are there until I come to clean underneath or do some work and then I think 'forgot I had those, they look cool!'

Edit - I suggest this because I have seen your posts and you take a quite deliberate approach to your mods. Bit by bit and slowly rather than throwing the kitchen sink at it. This mod doesn't have to be the end goal but it helps you get a feel for a different set up before spending any big money.

Edited by edc on Friday 26th June 10:16

I really appreciate this post - you're right. I like to do a mod, see how I go, then add a bit more. So far it has meant developing a far greater appreciation of the car, both as a stock item and post mods. Basically, I don't want to ruin my car, so whilst I'm happy to hone it and gradually make it better, I want to be able to revert back to standard, if the mod ruins the overall package. I think next up for me will be better engine and transmission mounts (although I'm worried about excessive NVH), still I've been assured that these new mounts will not totally screw the NVH.

Honestly, your approach is not dis-similar to mine. I did it all bit by bit on my first Boxster. With Boxster number 2 I just skipped to the end stage of where the first one ended up as I had prior experience of them. Now I am where I was with the first Boxster but adding bits slowly but surely. So far this has meant on top of the previous: 100 cell cats, aluminium lower rear suspension brace , rear adjustable toe links and now poly gearbox mounts.

I was a little worried like you about too much NVH with firmer mounts. Mine are not retail products as such as they are the OE mounts with the hydro-elastic removed and replaced with poly material. So aside from the dayglow colour, looks stock. I have kept the old mounts too. I don't know if the R or 987 gearbox mounts are different to a 986. 1 hour labour to change.

With the top mount slot mod, whilst not reversible as such, you can go back to your previous geometry with no bother. I don't know how best to describe it to you as I think you feel this mod is like a load of mangled metal. Under the front plastic scuttle covers is a round plastic cap giving access to the top mount nut. This piece is already slotted to allow factory camber adjustment. The mod extends this 10mm slot to about 15mm. You make your adjustments for extra camber in situ and no differently to factory, replace plastic cap then covers and off you go! Unless you measure the slot there is almost no way to tell the difference.

No it's not the mod itself that's the issue for me. I appreciate that it's a low cost way to get a bit of what I want. For me there are two issues with it, the first one is that whilst I don't intend to sell my R, I don't know what could happen in the coming years and being the type of person that I am, I would disclose this mod and there's no pretty way of describing "widened the top mount holes". Secondly, as Mr D says, if you go down the route of a full RSS kit, you can do a lot more than just amend the camber, so I know I want to do that mod. So if I'm going to do the full RSS thing anyway, why bother with the top mount thing?

[Axel987]

Results are in boys. 55 bhp up from the mods. As for the price? Well, it aint cheap.
Call Jens for a quote tell him you want the same as me.

From 315 to 371 BHP on the same dyno. Quite Drastic I`d say. Lambda is perfect.
revs to 7780 sounds like a motorcycle.

Edited by Axel987 on Saturday 27th June 16:45

Edited by Axel987 on Saturday 27th June 16:46

[J-P]

Axel987 said:

Results are in boys. 55 bhp up from the mods. As for the price? Well, it aint cheap.
Call Jens for a quote tell him you want the same as me.

From 315 to 371 BHP on the same dyno. Quite Drastic I`d say. Lambda is perfect.
revs to 7780 sounds like a motorcycle.

Edited by Axel987 on Saturday 27th June 16:45

Edited by Axel987 on Saturday 27th June 16:46

That sounds pretty magnificent! Great gains there! And I know what price to ask for

[Axel987]

It did turn out to be a bit more, more work needed on the car and everything was not quite as easy as predicted.

Still, im well chuffed. 371 on the Maha is not bad. the GT4 delivers 385 on the same dyno according to Jens.

[Sarnie]

fridaypassion said:

Any R owners in West Yorkshire?

Happy to do a back to back/swap in mine against an R on my test route. I'm interested to see what the difference is I would wager it aint a lot in the grand scheme.

We are on the interwebz and a particularly fierce corner of it. People will defend their own choice of car thats human nature. I'm happy to give a totally unbiased opinion after a ride on an R. I'm fortunate to have stuff in the business that kicks the arse of any S/R whatever Cayman on road and track so I have high standards in ride and handling dealing with the Lotus stuff which is the pinnacle of whats possible with windows and a roof. The Honda K20 powered Elise I sold to fund the Cayman would tear an Cayman R a new bum hole in any situation other than long journey comfort!

Me personally not really fussed if the R is better I'm happy to report that the premium is worth it but if it isnt you'll get to find out. As I reported from my initial drive I have a test route I use for test drives and benchmarking of all kinds of different cars. I was expecting nothing more than average from the Cayman S and it proved to be pretty darn good. This is with the active suspension in normal mode. The sport mode is simply overdamped for road use but the regular mode is very compliant for a car of this weight. The steering is excellent, its reasonably fast. Its completely different to a Boxster which I've had before and its better in almost every way other than noise than the Z4M coupe which is a very solid benchmark for the Cayman.

Selling already?????????????

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

[Sarnie]

Sarnie said:

fridaypassion said:

Any R owners in West Yorkshire?

Happy to do a back to back/swap in mine against an R on my test route. I'm interested to see what the difference is I would wager it aint a lot in the grand scheme.

We are on the interwebz and a particularly fierce corner of it. People will defend their own choice of car thats human nature. I'm happy to give a totally unbiased opinion after a ride on an R. I'm fortunate to have stuff in the business that kicks the arse of any S/R whatever Cayman on road and track so I have high standards in ride and handling dealing with the Lotus stuff which is the pinnacle of whats possible with windows and a roof. The Honda K20 powered Elise I sold to fund the Cayman would tear an Cayman R a new bum hole in any situation other than long journey comfort!

Me personally not really fussed if the R is better I'm happy to report that the premium is worth it but if it isnt you'll get to find out. As I reported from my initial drive I have a test route I use for test drives and benchmarking of all kinds of different cars. I was expecting nothing more than average from the Cayman S and it proved to be pretty darn good. This is with the active suspension in normal mode. The sport mode is simply overdamped for road use but the regular mode is very compliant for a car of this weight. The steering is excellent, its reasonably fast. Its completely different to a Boxster which I've had before and its better in almost every way other than noise than the Z4M coupe which is a very solid benchmark for the Cayman.

Selling already?????????????

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

PS: Its a 987 not a 981

[fridaypassion]

No see comments in other thread its a stock audit compliance exercise.

[Sarnie]

fridaypassion said:

No see comments in other thread its a stock audit compliance exercise.

I can't read every single thread on PH!

[fridaypassion]

Sarnie said:

PS: Its a 987 not a 981

Corrected. It been a very very long and hot day

[PaulD86]

fridaypassion said:

Corrected. It been a very very long and hot day

Now it's a 981 AND a 987!

[fridaypassion]

Oh ffs!

[Sarnie]

Cheeeeeeap R;

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...

I'd expect a dealer to be snapping that up and it reappearing in a few weeks..............

[PorscheGT4]

but no one wants automatics, and that's all that keeps coming to market :-p

[BubblesNW]

PorscheGT4 said:

I don't want an automatic, and only my opinion counts :-p

Sorted that for you. ;-p

[Sarnie]

PorscheGT4 said:

but no one wants automatics, and that's all that keeps coming to market :-p

Just the people that buy them..............

[PorscheGT4]

Sarnie said:

Just the people that buy them..............

And seem to sell them just as fast.

It's not imo this time, you only have to watch what comes up for sales in Spyder and R to see manuals sell like hot cakes and Auto's stick around.
The issue is Manual sellers now what bigger money for either and so some are now sticking at £50k but that is over priced imo.

there are 5 R's for sale at OPC's all Automatic's and guess what , yes Zero manuals. (only Spyder for sale is an Auto as well)

So this time, as I said it's not imo, it's a small fact :-p

Edited by PorscheGT4 on Thursday 2nd July 16:07

[PorscheGT4]

BubblesNW said:

Sorted that for you. ;-p

I wish it were true, but following sales and what is for sale, Auto's are 10 a penny.

[Roadrunner996]

And I bought the last manual R to come up for sale at an OPC