Germanwings A320 crashed in France :(
Discussion
eharding said:
I've co-owned aerobatic aeroplanes with ATPLs for over a decade now.
They try very, very hard to make sure that the amount of excitement in the day job is as close to zero as possible, because that's what they're paid to do - if things are getting exciting at the front, then chances are the folk at the back are going to be absolutely terrified. The satisfaction comes from absolutely nailing the safe operation of the aircraft regardless of the conditions or operational stresses.
Thrills are to be had on the days off in the Yak, Nanchang, Sukhoi, Pitts, Extra or Spitfire - or even some ancient bag of bolts and string - because fundamentally they just love flying.
I can see, though, that if you lack that basic, energetic passion for aviation then looking at the lifestyle of a junior ATPL in a budget airline you would ask yourself why they would do it.
They try very, very hard to make sure that the amount of excitement in the day job is as close to zero as possible, because that's what they're paid to do - if things are getting exciting at the front, then chances are the folk at the back are going to be absolutely terrified. The satisfaction comes from absolutely nailing the safe operation of the aircraft regardless of the conditions or operational stresses.
Thrills are to be had on the days off in the Yak, Nanchang, Sukhoi, Pitts, Extra or Spitfire - or even some ancient bag of bolts and string - because fundamentally they just love flying.
I can see, though, that if you lack that basic, energetic passion for aviation then looking at the lifestyle of a junior ATPL in a budget airline you would ask yourself why they would do it.
A boring day out is a successful day out.
A few on here have expressed unease at being hurled through the sky. It doesn't surprise me, the number of people I fly who would rather not be there if there was a convenient alternative. Keep is as un dramatic as possible.
Some rational about suicidal pilots to....
I can't think of a time this has happened in European airspace. Quite frankly I have more than enough threats to my working environment without worrying about a mental break down to this extreme. Yeh I've had days at work when life has been s
t, but that's life. Get on and do your job like the professional you ought to be.I don't think there's much we can do to truly mitigate something as insidious as this.
I'll also stick me head out and say it's unlikely we will see something like this happen again for a long time, airliners will however crash for what ever reason in the mean time.
Wacky Racer said:
This.
I used to look forward to going on a plane, a bit of an adventure once a year.
Now, I holiday in the UK, as the thought of being stuck in an airport for two hours, treated like a potential terrorist going through security, and sat next to some big fat munter, munching through six packets of crisps doesn't appeal.
You'll be fine, WR. I am scared of heights and haven't been abroad for eleven years. Go ahead, free yourself! I used to look forward to going on a plane, a bit of an adventure once a year.
Now, I holiday in the UK, as the thought of being stuck in an airport for two hours, treated like a potential terrorist going through security, and sat next to some big fat munter, munching through six packets of crisps doesn't appeal.
This ought to be the end of the PC society. But it won't be.
This guy showed signs of mental instability yet in today's forgiving understanding second chance employee's rights environment, of course they should be allowed to return to employment. There is far too little understanding of mental illness. No?
It is very very disappointing, to put it mildly, that German Wings should entrust an aircraft to a person with this record. At some times in the past they would have had him put away. Germans aren't what they used to be. Nowadays he is tolerated.
They deserve to go bust. They are not suitable people to be trusted with transporting human beings. What other dingbats have they got flying civil planes? Nowadays it's ok to be a disturbed tosser in Germany, because of 'the past' . Fly KLM. They are professionals.
This guy showed signs of mental instability yet in today's forgiving understanding second chance employee's rights environment, of course they should be allowed to return to employment. There is far too little understanding of mental illness. No?
It is very very disappointing, to put it mildly, that German Wings should entrust an aircraft to a person with this record. At some times in the past they would have had him put away. Germans aren't what they used to be. Nowadays he is tolerated.
They deserve to go bust. They are not suitable people to be trusted with transporting human beings. What other dingbats have they got flying civil planes? Nowadays it's ok to be a disturbed tosser in Germany, because of 'the past' . Fly KLM. They are professionals.
Edited by cardigankid on Thursday 26th March 21:52
LittleEnus said:
Silver993tt said:
I really don't see the facination with being a commercial pilot. It's a hugely regulated industry, spending hours in a tiny capsule called a cockpit and spending hours again at airports which really are places to I want to avoid.
Totally agree. Glorified bus drivers.
cardigankid said:
This ought to be the end of the PC society. But it won't be.
This guy showed signs of mental instability yet in today's forgiving understanding second chance employee's rights environment, of course he should be allowed to return to employment. There is far too little understanding of mental illness. No?
It is very very disappointing, to put it mildly, that German Wings should entrust an aircraft to a person with this record. Hitler would have had him put away. Germans aren't what they used to be.
They deserve to go bust. They are not suitable people to be trusted with transporting human beings.
Congratulations on having access to his HR record and having see the full accident analysis. Please post it up.This guy showed signs of mental instability yet in today's forgiving understanding second chance employee's rights environment, of course he should be allowed to return to employment. There is far too little understanding of mental illness. No?
It is very very disappointing, to put it mildly, that German Wings should entrust an aircraft to a person with this record. Hitler would have had him put away. Germans aren't what they used to be.
They deserve to go bust. They are not suitable people to be trusted with transporting human beings.
Special full marks for getting to Hitler. Remarkable, truly remarkable.
Idiot.
Wacky Racer said:
Now, I holiday in the UK, as the thought of being stuck in an airport for two hours, treated like a potential terrorist going through security, and sat next to some big fat munter, munching through six packets of crisps doesn't appeal.
Delays or the security arrangements at airports are outside of your capacity to influence or ameliorate. I appreciate this.But the fact you're going on holiday sat next to a fat, crisp-guzzling munter is entirely down to your decision to a) marry her and b) not confiscate her crisps.
So MTFU, stop whining, and impound her catering pack of Walker's Prawn Cocktail.
Oakey said:
Remember the guy that was going bankrupt and murdered his family? Shot his wife, his daughter, the dogs, the horses, then proceeded to block the front gate with a horse box before trailing fuel hoses into the property and garage and setting fire to everything before going back inside and turning the gun on himself. Was all on CCTV and he look to be calm and collected whilst doing it.
Thankfully I don't remember that, no!:'(
M4cruiser said:
A few pages ago in this thread someone said the crew can always gain access to the cockpit, but he/she wouldn't say how, (for reasons I understand).
So where is that poster now? Can you please explain this? It seems the pilot couldn't get back in, if today's reports are correct.
For what must be the millionth time... because the FO was deliberately preventing access.So where is that poster now? Can you please explain this? It seems the pilot couldn't get back in, if today's reports are correct.
danjama said:
andrewparker said:
The Mail have been reporting that the German Police have found something of significance at his house. I wonder if this it.
Anymore on this? M4cruiser said:
A few pages ago in this thread someone said the crew can always gain access to the cockpit, but he/she wouldn't say how, (for reasons I understand).
According to an expert today, you can't gain access as the cockpit door has a code on the cabin side but if the pilot wishes he can turn that off via an override switch.How true that is I don't know.
M4cruiser said:
A few pages ago in this thread someone said the crew can always gain access to the cockpit, but he/she wouldn't say how, (for reasons I understand).
So where is that poster now? Can you please explain this? It seems the pilot couldn't get back in, if today's reports are correct.
It wasn't me who posted but its already been posted a few times and on national tv roughly how it works.So where is that poster now? Can you please explain this? It seems the pilot couldn't get back in, if today's reports are correct.
Anyway, you ring the buzzer outside the flight deck. We look at a tv screen to verify its crew. We unlock the door and in you come. If we don't respond to you, and you can't contact us via the interphone, you can access the flight deck using a known code, however there is a time delay from entering the code to the door actually opening, in that time we can over ride the door code and completely lock the door for a period of minutes, in this case enough time to crash the plane.
Hope that helps.
Vaud said:
Remarkable, truly remarkable.
Idiot.
'Andreas Lubitz had locked the Pilot out of the cockpit and deliberately started a controlled descent'. Killing 150 innocent men women and children. What interpretation would you put on this? We live in a society which tolerates everything. Including being so considerate to lunatics as to place them in charge of aircraft. This society is created by people like you. Idiot.
You are the idiot.
cardigankid said:
It is very very disappointing, to put it mildly, that German Wings should entrust an aircraft to a person with this record. Hitler would have had him put away. Germans aren't what they used to be.
Such a shame that this young man could not have resolved his demons in some other way. RIP all involved.
M4cruiser said:
A few pages ago in this thread someone said the crew can always gain access to the cockpit, but he/she wouldn't say how, (for reasons I understand).
So where is that poster now? Can you please explain this? It seems the pilot couldn't get back in, if today's reports are correct.
Not the poster, but the locking procedure and process is available on the web in video format, I posted it earlier, IF he could have got back in via some secret way I presume he would of. So where is that poster now? Can you please explain this? It seems the pilot couldn't get back in, if today's reports are correct.
Looking at the video and discussing with a320 pilot today it would appear that the system is designed to keep a terrorist/threat out and allow cabin crew in if the flight crew are incapacitated but doesn't take account of a rogue pilot locking the others out it would seem.
kapiteinlangzaam said:
croyde said:
He may have also destroyed the company he worked for thus putting all of his colleagues out of work.
Doubtful, especially with the financial backing of Lufthansa.If the s
t really hit the fan, I suppose seeing a re-branding or similar wouldnt be out of the question, but id be very surprised to see anything other than business as usual in the longterm.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff