Germanwings A320 crashed in France :(
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Maybe the German obsession with personal privacy at any price needs a look. Employers are not allowed to ask why their employee has 6 months off work and so they have no idea of his mental health...and the general consensus in Germany seems to be that the odd airline crash or successful terrorist attack is a price worth paying, provided you maintain the right to privacy.
Is this a rational response to their history or the lunacy of a bunch of leftie conspiracy theorists? Who knows, but Id be very reluctant to fly on a German airline. All this 'security' stuff is just a crap smokescreen that won't make any difference.
Is this a rational response to their history or the lunacy of a bunch of leftie conspiracy theorists? Who knows, but Id be very reluctant to fly on a German airline. All this 'security' stuff is just a crap smokescreen that won't make any difference.
Maxf said:
There will always be ways around security measures and 'what ifs' will continue.
The issue here seems to be about mental health and stopping someone like this being in the situation where he is in control of 150 lives, rather than xyz door system. Whether this is by tougher rules, or more sypmathetic employers, I genuinely dont know.
I do think that mental health has been the poor relation to physical health for years, and if this tragic mass murder can help to establish mental health as a mainstream concern, not to be brushed under the carpet, then it could be a small positive which over time could come to affect far more than the 150 deaths has negatively affected.
Spot on. The issue here seems to be about mental health and stopping someone like this being in the situation where he is in control of 150 lives, rather than xyz door system. Whether this is by tougher rules, or more sypmathetic employers, I genuinely dont know.
I do think that mental health has been the poor relation to physical health for years, and if this tragic mass murder can help to establish mental health as a mainstream concern, not to be brushed under the carpet, then it could be a small positive which over time could come to affect far more than the 150 deaths has negatively affected.
The airlines can't or won't afford to add an extra pilot to each cockpit.
I've already had an 8st crew member explain how their presence would help. As a purely theoretical exercise would I be confident that I could disable this extra crew member if I was required to - yes. So it offers a solution to nothing but does increase the traffic through the secure door.
This is not a new risk. For years pilots have had our toothpaste, nail clippers, multitools etc taken off us, whilst everyone flying knows if the pilot wants to crash the aeroplane and kill everyone on board they will...
The mental health issues are important, we can try and address those, but the public need to understand that despite years of being told that pilots are overpaid button pushers, 500 lives in the back of our planes rely on regular people like myself doing a competent job with high levels of responsibility. The only positive I can see coming out of this is increased understanding of the way mental health can breakdown in anyone, no matter how they were before they become ill.
The point Stovey is making (and I believe he pilots 777's so may know a little better than most here) is that you could put 20 people in the cockpit but if you're in the seat and want the plane to go down, it's going to happen because you can do something in a split second that is irrecoverable and that's before you factor in the potential for things like people now being on what was previously the ceiling.
Guam said:
Well we are inching closer to the poster I mentioned earlier warranting an apology from some on here
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3021179/Ge...
I wasn't even involved in any of that discussion but why would anyone apologise for questioning someones else's guess? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3021179/Ge...
Guam said:
Well we are inching closer to the poster I mentioned earlier warranting an apology from some on here
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3021179/Ge...
I was just about to post exactly the same link. Getting very close to what was speculated.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3021179/Ge...
Cheese Mechanic said:
Guam said:
Well we are inching closer to the poster I mentioned earlier warranting an apology from some on here
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3021179/Ge...
I was just about to post exactly the same link. Getting very close to what was speculated.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3021179/Ge...
OpulentBob said:
Lots has been speculated over the last 22 pages by many people... gissa clue wot ya said, Mister?
Was not I who said it Sirrah. Unsure who it was but they were attacked way out of proportion to what they specualted. Cannot state verbatim, but the speculation was along the lines of inter colleague fornication and deceit, basically an extreme affair of the heart type scenario. The Stiglet said:
The video appears to be on YouTube already. 6th Gear said:
The Stiglet said:
The video appears to be on YouTube already. Is it?
Cheese Mechanic said:
Was not I who said it Sirrah. Unsure who it was but they were attacked way out of proportion to what they specualted. Cannot state verbatim, but the speculation was along the lines of inter colleague fornication and deceit, basically an extreme affair of the heart type scenario.
Whoever it was, I forget now, theorised Lubitz had been involved with a stewardess who he had discovered had been having an affair with the captain and in revenge decided to kill him and everyone on board.I'm pretty sure that was what was said.
I'm not sure how Lubitz cheating on his girlfriend is linked to him crashing the plane as opposed to him suffering a depressive episode as a result of his career ending degenerative eye condition.
It will be interesting to see if they ever find the FDR memory unit. Given that the CVR was found, it's incredible to think that the FDR on the otherhand might be totally destroyed so as to leave no trace, or even just physically lost on a mountainside. Though I think the latter case is highly unlikely and unprecedented.
JuniorD said:
It will be interesting to see if they ever find the FDR memory unit. Given that the CVR was found, it's incredible to think that the FDR on the otherhand might be totally destroyed so as to leave no trace, or even just physically lost on a mountainside. Though I think the latter case is highly unlikely and unprecedented.
In one photo,a wheel is shown. The tyre is shredded, but the rim is largely intact - nothing like the damage to the CVR. Maybe putting an inflated rubber surround around the data recorders would help to preserve them? Cobalt Blue said:
In one photo,a wheel is shown. The tyre is shredded, but the rim is largely intact - nothing like the damage to the CVR. Maybe putting an inflated rubber surround around the data recorders would help to preserve them?
I believe they are already suspended in a shock absorber type system.Apparently the housing has been found but the round part that contains the actual data chip is missing - probably buried under a load of granite 'gravel' caused by the impact at the bottom of the valley.
Given the forces at work, its amazing either recorder survived at all.
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