UKIP - The Future - Volume 4
Discussion
NoNeed said:
The BBC should be impartial and not party political, having an audience based on party polling when most of the panel are left leaning was asking for trouble, it should be based on left/right 50/50.
I think realistically, the audience should be vetted for party members (and rule them out)the sad bit is the questions put forward were all good, relevant stuff, but they got drowned by the idiots.
once you start trying to profile the audience, you're on a loser....
Scuffers said:
NoNeed said:
The BBC should be impartial and not party political, having an audience based on party polling when most of the panel are left leaning was asking for trouble, it should be based on left/right 50/50.
I think realistically, the audience should be vetted for party members (and rule them out)the sad bit is the questions put forward were all good, relevant stuff, but they got drowned by the idiots.
once you start trying to profile the audience, you're on a loser....
NicD said:
rs1952 said:
Farage did himself and the party no long term favours by having this little tantrum on live TV
You know this how?This has a ring of deja vu.
He turn out to be correct more often than wrong, no matter the knee jerk hysteria at the time.
As regards your final sentence, this has nothing to do with being "correct" or being "wrong." It has a lot to do with looking professional, and slagging off the audience and the broadcaster on live TV does not look professional.
But we will see. Any spontaneous upsurge for UKIP in the polls after this event would prove me wrong. I haven't seen that upsurge yet
Scuffers said:
I think the established polls are just trash now, no idea why, but they are clearly not representative.
Online vote, you would vote as you really mean.Asked in a street I think a lot of folk would say something different?
Public are funny like that.. I was cleaning the car yesterday and there were some labia people putting flyers through the doors of my neighbours.
Just stick it through the door thanks I said, now my neighbour but one they knocked on their door, (I know they are Kippers).
Something along the lines of oh hello etc etc we haven't made our minds up yet and so on I heard her say, prob just wanted rid though.
rs1952 said:
NicD said:
rs1952 said:
Farage did himself and the party no long term favours by having this little tantrum on live TV
You know this how?This has a ring of deja vu.
He turn out to be correct more often than wrong, no matter the knee jerk hysteria at the time.
As regards your final sentence, this has nothing to do with being "correct" or being "wrong." It has a lot to do with looking professional, and slagging off the audience and the broadcaster on live TV does not look professional.
But we will see. Any spontaneous upsurge for UKIP in the polls after this event would prove me wrong. I haven't seen that upsurge yet
I think that is most unwise.
But you can write all the 'points' you want, its a free country, and if that turns you on, go for it.
rs1952 said:
Whether or not lawyers are involved I'm surprised that nobody within UKIP hasn't tried to take him to one side and point out a few uncomfortable truths.
1. Whether or not the BBC has a left-wing bias or not (and I'm not getting into that argument here), the majority of the UK population and almost all of the civilised world think that it is one of the least biased news organisations on the planet. Taking a pop at the BBC will not get UKIP any new supporters, and it may well alienate some that might have voted UKIP.
2. Rule 1 of political campaigning is "don't slag off your audience." Even if you think that you are the solo voice of common sense in the room facing a load of swivel-eyed lefties, it is best just to think it and not say it out loud. For evidence, ask Gordon Brown about bigots
3. To many potential UKIP supporters who have not yet made up their minds, Farage came across as somebody throwing their toys out of the pram. Politicians do better when they keep their toys next to them in circumstances like these.
4. There is a well-known saying in politics "when you are already in a hole, stop digging"
And before anybody posts a reply on the lines of "he said it like it is!" think of it this way. If UKIP currently have about 15% in the polls, it therefore follows that 85% do not support them. If 85% of the population do not (yet) directly support or intend to vote for a political party, it stands to reason that there will be a number, and quite a large number, of opponents in any studio audience.
Farage did himself and the party no long term favours by having this little tantrum on live TV
Yawnsville.1. Whether or not the BBC has a left-wing bias or not (and I'm not getting into that argument here), the majority of the UK population and almost all of the civilised world think that it is one of the least biased news organisations on the planet. Taking a pop at the BBC will not get UKIP any new supporters, and it may well alienate some that might have voted UKIP.
2. Rule 1 of political campaigning is "don't slag off your audience." Even if you think that you are the solo voice of common sense in the room facing a load of swivel-eyed lefties, it is best just to think it and not say it out loud. For evidence, ask Gordon Brown about bigots
3. To many potential UKIP supporters who have not yet made up their minds, Farage came across as somebody throwing their toys out of the pram. Politicians do better when they keep their toys next to them in circumstances like these.
4. There is a well-known saying in politics "when you are already in a hole, stop digging"
And before anybody posts a reply on the lines of "he said it like it is!" think of it this way. If UKIP currently have about 15% in the polls, it therefore follows that 85% do not support them. If 85% of the population do not (yet) directly support or intend to vote for a political party, it stands to reason that there will be a number, and quite a large number, of opponents in any studio audience.
Farage did himself and the party no long term favours by having this little tantrum on live TV
Have a looky.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/17/ni...
rs1952 said:
The answer to your question is in my points 1 to 4 that you didn't quote.
As regards your final sentence, this has nothing to do with being "correct" or being "wrong." It has a lot to do with looking professional, and slagging off the audience and the broadcaster on live TV does not look professional.
But we will see. Any spontaneous upsurge for UKIP in the polls after this event would prove me wrong. I haven't seen that upsurge yet
Ian Martin (sp?) the Telegraphs political journalist had a completely different take to you. He opined that this was a smart move on Farage's part to solidify his core vote. The lefties were never going to vote for him, and the people most likely to vote UKIP are also of the opinion that the BBC is leftie biased, and like to hear someone criticise the BBC at last.As regards your final sentence, this has nothing to do with being "correct" or being "wrong." It has a lot to do with looking professional, and slagging off the audience and the broadcaster on live TV does not look professional.
But we will see. Any spontaneous upsurge for UKIP in the polls after this event would prove me wrong. I haven't seen that upsurge yet
s2art said:
rs1952 said:
The answer to your question is in my points 1 to 4 that you didn't quote.
As regards your final sentence, this has nothing to do with being "correct" or being "wrong." It has a lot to do with looking professional, and slagging off the audience and the broadcaster on live TV does not look professional.
But we will see. Any spontaneous upsurge for UKIP in the polls after this event would prove me wrong. I haven't seen that upsurge yet
Ian Martin (sp?) the Telegraphs political journalist had a completely different take to you. He opined that this was a smart move on Farage's part to solidify his core vote. The lefties were never going to vote for him, and the people most likely to vote UKIP are also of the opinion that the BBC is leftie biased, and like to hear someone criticise the BBC at last.As regards your final sentence, this has nothing to do with being "correct" or being "wrong." It has a lot to do with looking professional, and slagging off the audience and the broadcaster on live TV does not look professional.
But we will see. Any spontaneous upsurge for UKIP in the polls after this event would prove me wrong. I haven't seen that upsurge yet
I suspect that Farage has been tasked with solidifing support in the party core and the rest of the party is focussing both on that and increasing share.
4v6 said:
Sums it up pretty well actuallyarticle said:
Oh, sure, the line went down horribly in the hall. Horribly. Farage may as well have dropped his pants and curled out a big brown turd for all the good it did him in the hall. But outside the hall, in that berserk flinty wonderland of dot-eyed monsters that doesn’t actually exist anywhere outside of Farage’s own mind, it went down a treat. And that’s why Farage won the debate.
A London audience of whatever political hue was never going to buy Farages conspiracy doom and gloom schtick'But outside the hall, in that berserk flinty wonderland of dot-eyed monsters that doesn’t actually exist anywhere outside of Farage’s own mind, it went down a treat. And that’s why Farage won the debate.'
The 'author' needs to either reduce or increase his dose because that is right up there in the complete b
ks stakes.
Makes as much sense as Ed Miliband.
The 'author' needs to either reduce or increase his dose because that is right up there in the complete b
ks stakes.Makes as much sense as Ed Miliband.
smn159 said:
A London audience of whatever political hue was never going to buy Farages conspiracy doom and gloom schtick
gloom schtick?£1.6Tn debt
>£100Bn deficit
manufacturing still struggling
300,000 net immigration (close to 600,000 immigrants coming in in 2014, and we have lost almost 300,000 highly skilled brits abroad)
record high energy prices (with oil at 10 year lows!)
NHS is deep s
trecord numbers on minimum wage
remind me again, what are we supposed to be all enthusiastic about?
Scuffers said:
smn159 said:
A London audience of whatever political hue was never going to buy Farages conspiracy doom and gloom schtick
gloom schtick?£1.6Tn debt
>£100Bn deficit
manufacturing still struggling
300,000 net immigration (close to 600,000 immigrants coming in in 2014, and we have lost almost 300,000 highly skilled brits abroad)
record high energy prices (with oil at 10 year lows!)
NHS is deep s
trecord numbers on minimum wage
remind me again, what are we supposed to be all enthusiastic about?
Maybe it's just the Prime Minister?
UKIP solidifying their core vote is all very well- it's a relatively small number of voters.
Their problem is that to win the EU vote they had to bang a loud drum about immigration and the EU. They have become 'typecast' as being the party of those subjects. The downside is that those subjects are less important in a GE, leaving them less relevant than the popular parties.
Their problem is that to win the EU vote they had to bang a loud drum about immigration and the EU. They have become 'typecast' as being the party of those subjects. The downside is that those subjects are less important in a GE, leaving them less relevant than the popular parties.
allergictocheese said:
UKIP solidifying their core vote is all very well- it's a relatively small number of voters.
Their problem is that to win the EU vote they had to bang a loud drum about immigration and the EU. They have become 'typecast' as being the party of those subjects. The downside is that those subjects are less important in a GE, leaving them less relevant than the popular parties.
But they will get more Votes than the LIBDEMS.Their problem is that to win the EU vote they had to bang a loud drum about immigration and the EU. They have become 'typecast' as being the party of those subjects. The downside is that those subjects are less important in a GE, leaving them less relevant than the popular parties.
Scuffers said:
gloom schtick?
£1.6Tn debt
>£100Bn deficit
manufacturing still struggling
300,000 net immigration (close to 600,000 immigrants coming in in 2014, and we have lost almost 300,000 highly skilled brits abroad)
record high energy prices (with oil at 10 year lows!)
NHS is deep st
record numbers on minimum wage
remind me again, what are we supposed to be all enthusiastic about?
You Sir are guilty of telling it like it is. Very poor show.£1.6Tn debt
>£100Bn deficit
manufacturing still struggling
300,000 net immigration (close to 600,000 immigrants coming in in 2014, and we have lost almost 300,000 highly skilled brits abroad)
record high energy prices (with oil at 10 year lows!)
NHS is deep s
trecord numbers on minimum wage
remind me again, what are we supposed to be all enthusiastic about?
Always look on the bright side of life. Even when doom looms.
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