UKIP - The Future - Volume 4
Discussion
JustAnotherLogin said:
Scuffers said:
EU market is shrinking, incase you had not noticed... time to look elsewhere
Really?So by how much did EU GDP change in 2014?
What about the most recent data for Q4 2014? (clue, answer is +0.7%)
What is forecast for this year? (Clue, the answer is +1.3%)
So where is this shrinking?
now do the figures again without the UK's included.
then compare with the real growth in markets outside the EU.
and whilst your at it, explain to us all how the Greek situation will be a positive thing for the EU economies, and what will happen when Italy joins them?
Scuffers said:
JustAnotherLogin said:
Scuffers said:
EU market is shrinking, incase you had not noticed... time to look elsewhere
Really?So by how much did EU GDP change in 2014?
What about the most recent data for Q4 2014? (clue, answer is +0.7%)
What is forecast for this year? (Clue, the answer is +1.3%)
So where is this shrinking?
now do the figures again without the UK's included.
then compare with the real growth in markets outside the EU.
and whilst your at it, explain to us all how the Greek situation will be a positive thing for the EU economies, and what will happen when Italy joins them?
2013 would be forecast to be +1.28% without the UK
So still no shrinking.
If Greece or Italy leaves the Eurozone but stays in the EU, I would expect their growth to improve significantly. Though that is irrelevant to what you said because you weren't talking about the future conditional.
Once again you have been caught making up facts and are trying to wriggle out of it. Have you ever considered becoming a politician?
NicD said:
Scuffers said:
and whilst your at it, explain to us all how the Greek situation will be a positive thing for the EU economies, and what will happen when Italy joins them?
and that is not so far fetched.current debt is well over 130% GDP and rising fast, however, the sheer size of the debt is much more scary, at some 2.150Tn Euro's
The sad bit is ours is not much better in real terms at what? £1.5Tn, but at least we have an economy that's moving, we do, however, need to start paying the debt down, ie, run a significant surplus.
WinstonWolf said:
TKF said:
Winston's parody?
Feel free to explain what you have against people with tattoos whenever you're ready...You've had a couple of days to come up with an excuse, I'm expecting something very good.
A simple quotation or an apology, either will be fine. You have until 8pm today otherwise I'll just go ahead and accept your apology.
Scuffers said:
cookie118 said:
I actually have some knowledge of this so con/ag manufacturers in the EU market?
Hmm well there's:
really?Hmm well there's:
Manitou - are they still in business? (their EU sales are declining from a not very high start point, some £400M in 2014)
Merlo - who? are they even still in business?
Dieci - who?
Wacker Neuson - as a whole group, their total sales is what? <£1Bn
Liebherr - their Swiss?
Weidermann - part of Wacker Neuson above.
cba to go through the rest - sorry
now compare that with JCB's over £3Bn revenues, most of which is NON EU and growing fast
Merlo are a big player in the ag telehandler market
Dieci are growing share in the ag telehandler market
Wacker Neuson do some very very good small machines especially compact wheel loaders which are big in Germany.
Liebherr are a massive family owned company mostly specialising in cranes but they are also players in the wheel loader, telehandler and excavator markets across the size ranges.
I could go on....
Because many OEM businesses go across many product groups as well pure revenues aren't a good indicator because, CAT, JCB etc have very broad product ranges while Manitou and Merlo are a lot more focussed on one product group, so saying they aren't competitors based purely on revenue is false.
Scuffers said:
now compare that with JCB's over £3Bn revenues, most of which is NON EU and growing fast
Well as I pointed out above and you've conveniently ignored-JCB make machines for their major non-EU markets outside of the EU, which is why they have 6 factories in India and factories in the US, China and Brazil. I would think their UK manufacturing base is fairly reliant on the EU and UK markets.Scuffers said:
cookie118 said:
Well sorry for actually asking questions about how UKIP intend to achieve stuff rather than just accepting they'll give the UK everything on a plate. The SMMT and other organisations have raise questions about the impact of leaving the EU but I've not seen any real argument to counter it other than anecdotal data.
EU market is shrinking, incase you had not noticed... time to look elsewhere
Also we can grow sales outside the EU from within the EU, haven't JCB and JLR done this very well anyway according to you?
Guam said:
TKF said:
Feel free to quote where I said I have anything against people with tattoos, whenever you're ready...
A simple quotation or an apology, either will be fine. You have until 8pm today otherwise I'll just go ahead and accept your apology.
Do the Bnp aid recallA simple quotation or an apology, either will be fine. You have until 8pm today otherwise I'll just go ahead and accept your apology.
TKF said:
A sort of BNP lite whose core message is fundamentally the same but they're better spoken and have fewer tattoos. Dismiss this as much as you like but it's what some people think.
So, what does the number of tattoos a person have tell you about someone and why bring it up?You are prejudiced against people who colour their skin, even if you're not willing to admit it.
NicD said:
We should leave the EU so we can reclaim our borders and lawmaking.
That seems to me to be a very narrow basis upon which to make a very far reaching decision. As a matter of interest, what bits of EU is the UK subject to, where Parliament would have passed a different law had we not been in the EU?
Greg66 said:
As a matter of interest, what bits of EU is the UK subject to, where Parliament would have passed a different law had we not been in the EU?
the more relevant question is which EU inspired laws we could simply do without?I personally would like to see the government set a target to strike down 20% of legislation every year (without simply replacing it with yet more).
we have far too many laws/rules/regulations, all they do is tie up people and business in crap and make an entire industry for the legal profession to milk us all dry.
Yes, we need *some* laws/regs/etc, but nothing like what we have now.
it's almost like we need a ministry of common sense to review everything...
OK, he's a few that cost us BIG time:
The Temporary Agency Workers’ Directive - Cost £2Bn a year
The Working Time directive - Cost £4.1Bn a year
The Alternative Investment Fund Manager’s Regulations 2013 - Cost £1.5Bn
The End of Life Vehicles Directive - Costs £156m
this is just 4, the list is almost endless though.
The Temporary Agency Workers’ Directive - Cost £2Bn a year
The Working Time directive - Cost £4.1Bn a year
The Alternative Investment Fund Manager’s Regulations 2013 - Cost £1.5Bn
The End of Life Vehicles Directive - Costs £156m
this is just 4, the list is almost endless though.
Well I will start with an easy one, this light bulb s
t for beginners. I can no longer buy the simple inexpensive 40w ses bulbs for lounge / dining room. I have to buy expensive and complicated halogens. Which are on dimmers so the halogen reaction doesn't work properly and so their life is reduced. Not to mention that if they lasted as long the energy they are supposed to save ist used up in the original manufacture. Before anyone says it regarding LED etc. FRO.
t for beginners. I can no longer buy the simple inexpensive 40w ses bulbs for lounge / dining room. I have to buy expensive and complicated halogens. Which are on dimmers so the halogen reaction doesn't work properly and so their life is reduced. Not to mention that if they lasted as long the energy they are supposed to save ist used up in the original manufacture. Before anyone says it regarding LED etc. FRO.TKF said:
WinstonWolf said:
TKF said:
Winston's parody?
Feel free to explain what you have against people with tattoos whenever you're ready...You've had a couple of days to come up with an excuse, I'm expecting something very good.
A simple quotation or an apology, either will be fine. You have until 8pm today otherwise I'll just go ahead and accept your apology.
TKF said:
Some people see Farage and UKIP as BNP in blazers. A sort of BNP lite whose core message is fundamentally the same but they're better spoken and have fewer tattoos.
Well, it couldn't be clearer. You either approve of the BNP and UKIP, or you disapprove of tattoos.The ball is in your court.
Personally, I think that you are probably a bigot who has preconceptions about people who have tattoos.
The fact that many people share your views doesn't mean that you are right to hold them.
At this point, I think that you should admit that you made a mistake, and apologise to anyone on here that has a tattoo.
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