UKIP - The Future - Volume 4
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fell ill or arrived already ill looking for free treatment?TKF said:
If I went to another country and fell ill I'd hope to be treated with more compassion than the Kippers are displaying here.
If you, or I went to another country and fell ill, I would hope we would be treated in a way consistent with the rights and obligations in that country. And I hope they would be reciprocal.
But most of all, I would hope you had sufficient funds or insurance and were not trying to scam another country and blacken the reputation of your countrymen.
TKF said:
If I went to another country and fell ill I'd hope to be treated with more compassion than the Kippers are displaying here.
Been there, been ill, got the compassion (far better than in ol'Blighty actually ...FAR better!), got the treatment (immediate!), but then I had the documentation and coughed up in more ways than one!In fact TKF, our 'envy of the world' is in reality our 'open door to the world'. Needs f..... closing!
steveT350C said:
Interesting study in some parts.Probably why the anti-kippers want to throw some on here to the Lions!
steveT350C said:
It's the "resurrected on the third day" similarities cookie118 said:
Where does 7000 come from btw-6000 is the figure for 2013 on Wikipedia?
where does the 6,000 on Wiki come from?this is one of the problems with the NHS, real hard numbers are almost impossible to get, it's just not setup in a way that you can do sensible data collection on, and what there is is usually translated by whoever is presenting it.
Back to the original point, even if the numbers I quoted are 20% out, they still demonstrate that the figures given for health tourism by the fact webs
te are just laughable.I suspect the real costs to the NHS of health tourism and migration are staggeringly high, ie, 20-25% of the total NHS budget if you actually do the sums properly.
I also suspect that if you did the same analysis of the home office/police budgets you would find the same, along with the local government budgets, etc etc etc.
we really need to understand what the true costs of all this political shambles is, the bulls
t that keeps getting quoted - "migrants are a net economic benefit" is just pure rubbish.it does not take a genius to work this out.
Scuffers said:
I suspect the real costs to the NHS of health tourism and migration are staggeringly high, ie, 20-25% of the total NHS budget if you actually do the sums properly.
I doubt it is 1/10th of that figureScuffers said:
I also suspect that if you did the same analysis of the home office/police budgets you would find the same, along with the local government budgets, etc etc etc.
we really need to understand what the true costs of all this political shambles is, the bullst that keeps getting quoted - "migrants are a net economic benefit" is just pure rubbish.
it does not take a genius to work this out.
Because you want to believe that? Or you have any reason to quantify these policing and home office costs? Are migrants more likely to commit crimes, They would have to be about 10 times more likely to cost that much in policing, or a thousand percent more criminal than you average indigenous UK person. we really need to understand what the true costs of all this political shambles is, the bulls
t that keeps getting quoted - "migrants are a net economic benefit" is just pure rubbish.it does not take a genius to work this out.
Strawman said:
Scuffers said:
I suspect the real costs to the NHS of health tourism and migration are staggeringly high, ie, 20-25% of the total NHS budget if you actually do the sums properly.
I doubt it is 1/10th of that figureScuffers said:
I also suspect that if you did the same analysis of the home office/police budgets you would find the same, along with the local government budgets, etc etc etc.
we really need to understand what the true costs of all this political shambles is, the bullst that keeps getting quoted - "migrants are a net economic benefit" is just pure rubbish.
it does not take a genius to work this out.
Because you want to believe that? Or you have any reason to quantify these policing and home office costs? Are migrants more likely to commit crimes, They would have to be about 10 times more likely to cost that much in policing, or a thousand percent more criminal than you average indigenous UK person. we really need to understand what the true costs of all this political shambles is, the bulls
t that keeps getting quoted - "migrants are a net economic benefit" is just pure rubbish.it does not take a genius to work this out.
I am guessing based on the shear numbers as a % of the population then cross that with the additional costs of dealing with migrants (ie. language/cultural issues, etc etc.)
When you get to primary school places, I read somewhere (can't find it now), that of next years intake, over 20% are children of migrants here since 2000.
vonuber said:
Romania and Bulgaria are the third world? fk me, what an ignorant thing to say.
Not as ignorant as your stance on gay people, so that's something I guess.
have you ever been to Romania or Bulgaria? (I have).k me, what an ignorant thing to say.Not as ignorant as your stance on gay people, so that's something I guess.
They might not technically be classed as third world, but let me tell you, they might just as well me to a huge chunk of their population.
as for you repeatedly bringing up the Gay question, may I suggest you're the one that needs to get over it?
Scuffers said:
have you ever been to Romania or Bulgaria? (I have).
They might not technically be classed as third world, but let me tell you, they might just as well me to a huge chunk of their population.
as for you repeatedly bringing up the Gay question, may I suggest you're the one that needs to get over it?
Yes, I have, several times. To classify it as third world shows you don't know the meaning of the term.They might not technically be classed as third world, but let me tell you, they might just as well me to a huge chunk of their population.
as for you repeatedly bringing up the Gay question, may I suggest you're the one that needs to get over it?
And as for 'getting over it' - no. Homophobia has no place in modern society, as Ireland has proven.
vonuber said:
Yes, I have, several times. To classify it as third world shows you don't know the meaning of the term.
And as for 'getting over it' - no. Homophobia has no place in modern society, as Ireland has proven.
You seem to think the more times you level that at me, it might actually stick?And as for 'getting over it' - no. Homophobia has no place in modern society, as Ireland has proven.
As i have said before, several times, i have no problem with people being gay, only issue i have is when they abuse their office and spend public money on their gay projects.
Can you understand? Is that simple enough for you? (Tried not to use big words)
TKF said:
If I went to another country and fell ill I'd hope to be treated with more compassion than the Kippers are displaying here.
If you travelled abroad without the relevant medical insurance, then you would deserve the lack of treatment that you would receive.When travelling to Europe I make sure that I have an E111. That way, European hospitals know that the British government will reimburse them for my medical bills. If travelling further afield, I purchase some medical insurance.
I'm not stupid enough to expect foreign governments to feel "compassion" towards me, even though I have never paid a penny into their system.
vonuber said:
Scuffers said:
Romania, Bulgaria, etc.
Romania and Bulgaria are the third world? fk me, what an ignorant thing to say.Not as ignorant as your stance on gay people, so that's something I guess.
Due to the complex history of evolving meanings and contexts, there is no clear or agreed upon definition of the Third World.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_World
don4l said:
TKF said:
If I went to another country and fell ill I'd hope to be treated with more compassion than the Kippers are displaying here.
If you travelled abroad without the relevant medical insurance, then you would deserve the lack of treatment that you would receive.When travelling to Europe I make sure that I have an E111. That way, European hospitals know that the British government will reimburse them for my medical bills. If travelling further afield, I purchase some medical insurance.
I'm not stupid enough to expect foreign governments to feel "compassion" towards me, even though I have never paid a penny into their system.
don4l said:
If you travelled abroad without the relevant medical insurance, then you would deserve the lack of treatment that you would receive.
When travelling to Europe I make sure that I have an E111. That way, European hospitals know that the British government will reimburse them for my medical bills. If travelling further afield, I purchase some medical insurance.
I'm not stupid enough to expect foreign governments to feel "compassion" towards me, even though I have never paid a penny into their system.
When I needed emergency hospital treatment in France a few years ago I handed over my EHIC card, but the (very attractive) receptionist shook her head and handed me a credit card machine. I thought that was fair enough as I've never paid taxes in France, if they can do it we should do the same (within the EU).When travelling to Europe I make sure that I have an E111. That way, European hospitals know that the British government will reimburse them for my medical bills. If travelling further afield, I purchase some medical insurance.
I'm not stupid enough to expect foreign governments to feel "compassion" towards me, even though I have never paid a penny into their system.
RYH64E said:
When I needed emergency hospital treatment in France a few years ago I handed over my EHIC card, but the (very attractive) receptionist shook her head and handed me a credit card machine. I thought that was fair enough as I've never paid taxes in France, if they can do it we should do the same (within the EU).
That's not an atypical response, same deal in Spain etc...If you travel or work abroad, proper insurance is essential.
The problem with the EU is that we are the only ones stupid enough to follow the rules...
Scuffers said:
RYH64E said:
When I needed emergency hospital treatment in France a few years ago I handed over my EHIC card, but the (very attractive) receptionist shook her head and handed me a credit card machine. I thought that was fair enough as I've never paid taxes in France, if they can do it we should do the same (within the EU).
That's not an atypical response, same deal in Spain etc...If you travel or work abroad, proper insurance is essential.
The problem with the EU is that we are the only ones stupid enough to follow the rules...
And that’s also where I also decided to stop being the typical ex pat...
I just wasted an evening round friends watching crap Eurovision - even more reason to leave!
Aside, while there I scanned through a copy of yesterday's Daily Wail under their coffee table.
This caught my eye in the letters pages... LETTER OF THE WEEK.
The award (you win a magic coffee mug or something like that?) went to a Adrian Bonnington of Northampton for
'revealing the devious way in which the BBC handled Nigel Farage in the General Election'.
Anyone have access to Mr Bonnington's letter? I'd be interested to know what he revealed.
Aside, while there I scanned through a copy of yesterday's Daily Wail under their coffee table.
This caught my eye in the letters pages... LETTER OF THE WEEK.
The award (you win a magic coffee mug or something like that?) went to a Adrian Bonnington of Northampton for
'revealing the devious way in which the BBC handled Nigel Farage in the General Election'.
Anyone have access to Mr Bonnington's letter? I'd be interested to know what he revealed.
dandarez said:
I just wasted an evening round friends watching crap Eurovision - even more reason to leave!
Aside, while there I scanned through a copy of yesterday's Daily Wail under their coffee table.
This caught my eye in the letters pages... LETTER OF THE WEEK.
The award (you win a magic coffee mug or something like that?) went to a Adrian Bonnington of Northampton for
'revealing the devious way in which the BBC handled Nigel Farage in the General Election'.
Anyone have access to Mr Bonnington's letter? I'd be interested to know what he revealed.
You must be right: Russia, Israel and Australia are key member states of the EU, of course!Aside, while there I scanned through a copy of yesterday's Daily Wail under their coffee table.
This caught my eye in the letters pages... LETTER OF THE WEEK.
The award (you win a magic coffee mug or something like that?) went to a Adrian Bonnington of Northampton for
'revealing the devious way in which the BBC handled Nigel Farage in the General Election'.
Anyone have access to Mr Bonnington's letter? I'd be interested to know what he revealed.
Are you allowed out on your own?
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