Germanwings Crash
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FR24 and Planefinder can be a bit misleading, so don't treat the data you are seeing as gospel.
AIB's the world over will be flocking to read the usual raft of drivel written by various self proclaimed experts in a hope to solve the case quickly.
RIP to all involved, let's hope they discover what happened sooner rather than later.
AIB's the world over will be flocking to read the usual raft of drivel written by various self proclaimed experts in a hope to solve the case quickly.
RIP to all involved, let's hope they discover what happened sooner rather than later.
Although looking at the flight data, the decent from 38000 ft was relatively gradual, i.e. happened over a period of 10 minutes, at least down to about 7000ft or so, which isn't much quicker than a normal decent and it's airspeed slowed during the decent, but maintained relatively high speed.
JRM said:
Although looking at the flight data, the decent from 38000 ft was relatively gradual, i.e. happened over a period of 10 minutes, at least down to about 7000ft or so, which isn't much quicker than a normal decent and it's airspeed slowed during the decent, but maintained relatively high speed.
It went down over the alps, so 7000' could quite easily be ground level.Another for the list: http://aviation-safety.net/database/dblist.php?Typ...
hidetheelephants said:
JRM said:
Although looking at the flight data, the decent from 38000 ft was relatively gradual, i.e. happened over a period of 10 minutes, at least down to about 7000ft or so, which isn't much quicker than a normal decent and it's airspeed slowed during the decent, but maintained relatively high speed.
It went down over the alps, so 7000' could quite easily be ground level.For those on board, if they were conscious, at least it would have been quick...
The Moose said:
Not ideal.
Watching the playback on Flight Radar is a bit odd.
Thoughts to all those involved as always...
(ETA: I know there's already a thread in News section - I've found this section tends to come out with more interesting insights)
Not sure that I want to watch the playback on Flight Radar however as i didn't know that it could be done how do you watch playback?Watching the playback on Flight Radar is a bit odd.
Thoughts to all those involved as always...
(ETA: I know there's already a thread in News section - I've found this section tends to come out with more interesting insights)
Edited by The Moose on Tuesday 24th March 11:37
Odd though that some reports say that a mayday was issued & some say it wasn't. I know that the pilots would have been struggling to do whatever they could to save the plane however surely a mayday would have called wouldn't it?
fatboy69 said:
Not sure that I want to watch the playback on Flight Radar however as i didn't know that it could be done how do you watch playback?
Odd though that some reports say that a mayday was issued & some say it wasn't. I know that the pilots would have been struggling to do whatever they could to save the plane however surely a mayday would have called wouldn't it?
The rule is "Aviate (make sure you aren't falling out of the sky), Navigate (make sure you aren't about to fly into something), Communicate". If the plane was falling out of the sky, radioing to tell someone the plane was falling out of the sky is not a priority. Odd though that some reports say that a mayday was issued & some say it wasn't. I know that the pilots would have been struggling to do whatever they could to save the plane however surely a mayday would have called wouldn't it?
fatboy69 said:
Not sure that I want to watch the playback on Flight Radar however as i didn't know that it could be done how do you watch playback?
Odd though that some reports say that a mayday was issued & some say it wasn't. I know that the pilots would have been struggling to do whatever they could to save the plane however surely a mayday would have called wouldn't it?
LinkyOdd though that some reports say that a mayday was issued & some say it wasn't. I know that the pilots would have been struggling to do whatever they could to save the plane however surely a mayday would have called wouldn't it?
To be honest, it's just a plane icon moving on a map with air speed/altitude. Obviously when you consider the realities of what's going on as you play it back, it's pretty horrific.
davepoth said:
fatboy69 said:
Not sure that I want to watch the playback on Flight Radar however as i didn't know that it could be done how do you watch playback?
Odd though that some reports say that a mayday was issued & some say it wasn't. I know that the pilots would have been struggling to do whatever they could to save the plane however surely a mayday would have called wouldn't it?
The rule is "Aviate (make sure you aren't falling out of the sky), Navigate (make sure you aren't about to fly into something), Communicate". If the plane was falling out of the sky, radioing to tell someone the plane was falling out of the sky is not a priority. Odd though that some reports say that a mayday was issued & some say it wasn't. I know that the pilots would have been struggling to do whatever they could to save the plane however surely a mayday would have called wouldn't it?
davepoth said:
fatboy69 said:
Not sure that I want to watch the playback on Flight Radar however as i didn't know that it could be done how do you watch playback?
Odd though that some reports say that a mayday was issued & some say it wasn't. I know that the pilots would have been struggling to do whatever they could to save the plane however surely a mayday would have called wouldn't it?
The rule is "Aviate (make sure you aren't falling out of the sky), Navigate (make sure you aren't about to fly into something), Communicate". If the plane was falling out of the sky, radioing to tell someone the plane was falling out of the sky is not a priority. Odd though that some reports say that a mayday was issued & some say it wasn't. I know that the pilots would have been struggling to do whatever they could to save the plane however surely a mayday would have called wouldn't it?
eccles said:
That's just it though, it doesn't appear to be falling out of the sky, just an 8 minute gradual decent. Plenty of time between the crew to let people know there was a problem, unless they were incapacitated...
Yup, they possibly just managed to start the aviate bit by initiating the descent, then they were simply all passengers, heading towards the mountain.Get up into the cruise, perhaps one pilot goes to the toilet, reducing the chance of a successful outcome a bit.
Maybe a decompression, maybe it involved the crew oxygen, maybe a fire in the flightdeck. The one pilot starts it going down using the autopilot but missets the altitude target. There's all kinds of ways it could happen really.
Should find out soon though.
The CVR has been recovered.
Very odd and very stable decent. Strange also that the plane headed towards the alps and not back towards Nice or Marseille, which suggests heading was set some time before the incident occurred or the incident occurred while still over water and terrain not an issue. For me at the moment looks like rapid decompression and they managed to set the plane to descend before becoming fully incapacitated, which would also account for the lack of comms or squak 7700.
Very odd and very stable decent. Strange also that the plane headed towards the alps and not back towards Nice or Marseille, which suggests heading was set some time before the incident occurred or the incident occurred while still over water and terrain not an issue. For me at the moment looks like rapid decompression and they managed to set the plane to descend before becoming fully incapacitated, which would also account for the lack of comms or squak 7700.
I boarded a Germanwings flight from ZRH to Köln yesterday morning, and as I normally do I looked at the plate on the door to see how old it was and was surprised to see it said 1990, but the interior of the plane was brand new. I didn't think any more of it and had an uneventful flight, and only heard about the accident at lunchtime when I was told that a couple of people in the office had kittens when they saw the news headline 'Germanwings flight crashes in Alps'.
My flight home was cancelled (along with lots of others) but the advantage of being based in mainland Europe is that there's usually a train option to get home so that's what I did.
I understand that the pilots are refusing to fly the really old A320s until there's an indication of why this accident happened - we were waiting at the gate to board and there were two A320s waiting there but the flight was cancelled five minutes before the scheduled departure time.
I get the feeling this might turn into a huge issue for Lufthansa/GW and maybe even the wider industry. There are a lot of 20+ year old A320s with high hours and a lot of cycles out there. If they have to be grounded for a period of time or even replaced entirely there aren't the spare planes out there to replace them. As these GW planes have been recently refitted entirely they must have been planned to run for 5+ years more.
My flight home was cancelled (along with lots of others) but the advantage of being based in mainland Europe is that there's usually a train option to get home so that's what I did.
I understand that the pilots are refusing to fly the really old A320s until there's an indication of why this accident happened - we were waiting at the gate to board and there were two A320s waiting there but the flight was cancelled five minutes before the scheduled departure time.
I get the feeling this might turn into a huge issue for Lufthansa/GW and maybe even the wider industry. There are a lot of 20+ year old A320s with high hours and a lot of cycles out there. If they have to be grounded for a period of time or even replaced entirely there aren't the spare planes out there to replace them. As these GW planes have been recently refitted entirely they must have been planned to run for 5+ years more.
It looks like my plane has been grounded at Köln since yesterday lunchtime...
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/d-aipy...
Its registration is the one after the plane which was lost so I assume it's the same age/from the same order as it.
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/d-aipy...
Its registration is the one after the plane which was lost so I assume it's the same age/from the same order as it.
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