Discussing your salary with co-workers
Discussion
The Curn said:
Agreed.
One of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.
It may be what some think in unprogressive companies, but certainly in any modern company that rewards hard work and achievement you'd never hear anyone actually come out with that kind of sOne of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.
t. I suppose it does depend where OP is as obviously not in all parts of the country is £50k treated like some sort of golden ticket, but I'd not be too pleased with his closing gambit of - you're just gunna have to wait your turn.DrummerBen said:
You don’t get paid what you are worth you get paid what you negotiate, this I know.
Yep - many companies seem much more willing to recruit people from outside and put them on a higher salary than to promote or give pay rises from within. I have often found this is dictated by HR policy rather than by the will of the line managers.Perhaps it's a ruse by HR to keep themselves in a job
swerni said:
DrummerBen said:
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I know everyone likes to think highly of themselves but when pushed management have told me “you can’t pay someone in their twenties 50 grand, that’s just wrong, that’s a family man’s salary”
Sorry but I know everyone likes to think highly of themselves but when pushed management have told me “you can’t pay someone in their twenties 50 grand, that’s just wrong, that’s a family man’s salary”
Sheepshanks said:
swerni said:
DrummerBen said:
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I know everyone likes to think highly of themselves but when pushed management have told me “you can’t pay someone in their twenties 50 grand, that’s just wrong, that’s a family man’s salary”
Sorry but I know everyone likes to think highly of themselves but when pushed management have told me “you can’t pay someone in their twenties 50 grand, that’s just wrong, that’s a family man’s salary”
I know someone who was on £10kpa less than a colleague who was less qualified than them. They questioned this when they found out and were given the answer "Well they have a young family to support and you are single."
It didn't end well for the employer - the one on the higher wage kept asking for more every few months and when the answer started to become no found another bunch of suckers to over pay them and the underpaid employee now earns considerably more elsewhere.
When I was a trainee, I joined a company at the same time as a woman, about my age.
Our experience and knowledge were both identical, the only difference was she had been to university and I hadn't.
I was openly told that my salary was (considerably) less than hers, because
"Whilst you were out drinking beer and chasing girls, she was getting a degree"
I questioned this many times, as our jobs were literally identical, but always got the same response.
Fair? I think not.
Our experience and knowledge were both identical, the only difference was she had been to university and I hadn't.
I was openly told that my salary was (considerably) less than hers, because
"Whilst you were out drinking beer and chasing girls, she was getting a degree"
I questioned this many times, as our jobs were literally identical, but always got the same response.
Fair? I think not.
Muzzer79 said:
When I was a trainee, I joined a company at the same time as a woman, about my age.
Our experience and knowledge were both identical, the only difference was she had been to university and I hadn't.
I was openly told that my salary was (considerably) less than hers, because
"Whilst you were out drinking beer and chasing girls, she was getting a degree"
I questioned this many times, as our jobs were literally identical, but always got the same response.
Fair? I think not.
That would drive me fOur experience and knowledge were both identical, the only difference was she had been to university and I hadn't.
I was openly told that my salary was (considerably) less than hers, because
"Whilst you were out drinking beer and chasing girls, she was getting a degree"
I questioned this many times, as our jobs were literally identical, but always got the same response.
Fair? I think not.
king mental. In fact I'd likely leave.Muzzer79 said:
When I was a trainee, I joined a company at the same time as a woman, about my age.
Our experience and knowledge were both identical, the only difference was she had been to university and I hadn't.
I was openly told that my salary was (considerably) less than hers, because
"Whilst you were out drinking beer and chasing girls, she was getting a degree"
I questioned this many times, as our jobs were literally identical, but always got the same response.
Fair? I think not.
I don't think students are known for their sobriety. Our experience and knowledge were both identical, the only difference was she had been to university and I hadn't.
I was openly told that my salary was (considerably) less than hers, because
"Whilst you were out drinking beer and chasing girls, she was getting a degree"
I questioned this many times, as our jobs were literally identical, but always got the same response.
Fair? I think not.
SkinnyPete said:
As much as I dont like the idea of it, I was actually paid a few thousand more than my colleagues because I had more of a commute.
Why should I be subsidised because I have chosen to live further away?
Works both ways sometimes I guess.
It's a valid point but it doesn't always work that way. Sometimes you have to go where the work is but can't afford to live where the work is so a long commute is unavoidable.Why should I be subsidised because I have chosen to live further away?
Works both ways sometimes I guess.
Rude-boy said:
Cotty said:
I don't think students are known for their sobriety.
And in addition to that was the degree actually of any worth?And this was a job at a haulage firm, not somewhere 'degree-critical'
I pointed out in return that whilst she was drinking beer and chasing trouser at University, I had been working in a previous job, getting life and business experience.
It very nearly made me leave but we came to a resolution in the end. The sheer discrimination of it still bugs me though.
It also shows the dangers of not having a structured salary policy - we had people on wildly different amounts for doing exactly the same job.
DrummerBen said:
I know everyone likes to think highly of themselves
It all comes down to this ^^Everyone sees themselves as an essential cog, I used to think it about myself years ago when employed. It's not true, never is.
People see themselves as doing the same job as others in the same or similar roles, however in actual fact this often isn't the case. I could well be wrong about your own personal situation, but generally we make bias comparisons to others. "Yeah not only do I do as good a job as Fred, I am actually better".
brickwall said:
At my place the basic (before-bonus) salaries are the same for everyone of a given grade. Makes life much simpler.
I don’t see that as a good thing. I sit on a team where we all in theory do a similar job. The total pay range from lowest paid to highest paid is well over £50,000. But that’s fair, as whilst we all have similar roles, we all deliver very different results. Pay for performance, not for title.
I work for a large charity where all the pay scales are publicly available. Each scale has 6 steps on it, so whilst one can't know where an individual is on the pay scale, it's not difficult to work out based on length of service. Overall I think it's a good thing and avoids the problems mentioned in this thread, biggest problem I see with it is once you reach the end of the pay scale, which takes 6 years at most, there's no big pay rises unless you get promoted, but senior positions are pretty limited.
Contrasts with the last place I worked where management gave an employee an extra 1k to retain her when she was going to move to a new position, and were then surprised when the rest of the team doing an identical role demanded the same!
Contrasts with the last place I worked where management gave an employee an extra 1k to retain her when she was going to move to a new position, and were then surprised when the rest of the team doing an identical role demanded the same!
I'm not to discus my pay with my Co-worker, strictly speaking, I do have a few more responsibilities than him, but this is management orders.
I have figured out why though, I earn £6k a year more than him, no wonder they don't want him to know.
If he does find out, the only source could have been me, so I'll keep my yap shut.
I have figured out why though, I earn £6k a year more than him, no wonder they don't want him to know.
If he does find out, the only source could have been me, so I'll keep my yap shut.
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