Are all car drivers empty headed @#*^#
Discussion
Oh dear, the old car drivers V/S Lorry drivers 
Every single fu*king thing even cars are delivered by Lorries yet the general public is so intolerant just because they get held up for a few minutes on their precious little journeys.
It costs about 3K for an HGV Class 1 licence these days (class 2, class 1, CPC, ADR) to then be treated like s
t and paid a generally st hourly rate.
Wonder why there is a cronic shortage of Class 1 HGV drivers ?.
Including me, i'm off the road 15 years experienc but now driving a Terberg shunting trailers on site, great job, no stress, treated well, know i'm getting home at night and not living like a Hobo parked in a layby for the night.
One less " selfish menace" on the road
Every single fu*king thing even cars are delivered by Lorries yet the general public is so intolerant just because they get held up for a few minutes on their precious little journeys.
It costs about 3K for an HGV Class 1 licence these days (class 2, class 1, CPC, ADR) to then be treated like s
t and paid a generally st hourly rate.Wonder why there is a cronic shortage of Class 1 HGV drivers ?.
Including me, i'm off the road 15 years experienc but now driving a Terberg shunting trailers on site, great job, no stress, treated well, know i'm getting home at night and not living like a Hobo parked in a layby for the night.
One less " selfish menace" on the road
VeeFource said:
Unfortunately some people are just terrible drivers. I think one of the reasons younger drivers are such high risk is they don't actually realise how dumb people can be and don't make appropriate (where possible) allowances. Just you tube "road fails" for some astonishing examples.
The other problem is it seems to be human nature to have an us and them attitude. Since the majority of vehicles on the road are cars, their driver's seem to think they are at the top of the food chain and as such have no patience for other types of road user.
It's a good analogy about the grand prix, as a lot of the time it really is only seconds they're saving on their journey that they're taking big risks for. The number of times people make really dodgy overtakes to get past me on my push bike only to get held up 5 seconds later by the rest of the traffic in front astounds me.
Make at least a theory test compulsory at least every 10 years as I swear some people don't even know they're in the wrong most of the time. Especially the middle lane hoggers who sit there with no inside lane vehicle in sight, grrrrr!
Best post The other problem is it seems to be human nature to have an us and them attitude. Since the majority of vehicles on the road are cars, their driver's seem to think they are at the top of the food chain and as such have no patience for other types of road user.
It's a good analogy about the grand prix, as a lot of the time it really is only seconds they're saving on their journey that they're taking big risks for. The number of times people make really dodgy overtakes to get past me on my push bike only to get held up 5 seconds later by the rest of the traffic in front astounds me.
Make at least a theory test compulsory at least every 10 years as I swear some people don't even know they're in the wrong most of the time. Especially the middle lane hoggers who sit there with no inside lane vehicle in sight, grrrrr!
jamieduff1981 said:
Drivers of slow moving vehicles - does it ever occur to you to pull over on single carriageways to let the queue of frustrated traffic past? Or are you too important, being a professional driver and all?
I see self absorbed tttishness from drivers of all sorts of vehicles.
Slowish vehicle driver here. Nobody ever thanks you when you pull over. Even if you slow right down on a wide part of the road, pull right over and indicate left, people still wont pass. I see self absorbed t
ttishness from drivers of all sorts of vehicles.It's taxed, insured and is serviced on time every time by the main dealer. Also, very often when it's on the road, it is a lot busier than you are and time is critical.
When I meet people on this big vehicle on a narrow road, why do they feel the need to stop at the pinch point rather than on a wide bit to let me past? Oh, and don't dive in front of me and anchor up, the front of it is cast steel and won't bend, unlike your car or van.
I've pulled onto the same dual carriageway, with no slip, around 3000 times in the last 10 years. I've had plenty of experience judging the speed of approaching traffic, and drivers that wont pull over into lane 2 to let me join despite it being empty, the absolute worst are truck drivers though that seem to see it as some sort of affront to their professional driver status, and give it the lights/horn/ coffee beans if they can get within 50 yards before I'm at the speed limit.
Edited by blade7 on Sunday 29th March 17:59
Couldn't agree more with the OP, my driving instructor instilled in me though 'treat every other road user as an idiot'
I do a few thousand miles a week in a cab a lot higher than a car/van I would say more than 50% of vehicles these days the driver has their phone on their knees or in their hands, I am including trucks as well, general state of driving in this country is not good.
A couple of weeks ago I had a rare European trip, France, Belgium, Holland and Germany, 800 miles or so, standard of driving is much higher, the only idiot was a middle lane hogger and that had English plates
I do a few thousand miles a week in a cab a lot higher than a car/van I would say more than 50% of vehicles these days the driver has their phone on their knees or in their hands, I am including trucks as well, general state of driving in this country is not good.
A couple of weeks ago I had a rare European trip, France, Belgium, Holland and Germany, 800 miles or so, standard of driving is much higher, the only idiot was a middle lane hogger and that had English plates
Lets see. Just thinking about the last 2 weeks I've had:
I'm assuming one collects tokens from cornflakes packets to upgrade from a car to a HGV licence. I could be wrong, but the evidence is not good. Really they seem just as bad as car drivers, motorcyclists, cyclists, horse riders and your average bobby in a diesel Astra.
- Trucks weaving in and out of the hard shoulder.
- Trucks tailgating cars doing 50 in lane 1 of 50mph sections on the M5. (and the same for the 40 mph section)
- Truck unable to stop for a queue, about 1/4 of a mile after a sign saying "queue ahead" and nobody joining the lane in front of them (they stopped 2 cars down on the hard shoulder. Caused by the truck in front of him, pulling out at the last second to lane 2, and the following truck being unsighted believing the road would be clear, not full of stationary cars)
- Truck wrong way down a 1 way street.
- Truck pulling out without indicating and relying on the lane being clear (I was beside the trailer wheels at that point, so I would have been visible if he'd checked his mirror. But obviously I got the coffee beans for daring to exist).
- M5 J4. Left lane is clearly marked J4 only from just after J5 (40mph section for road works). Truck drivers, pulling out at the last second when they realise they want to stay on the M5.
I'm assuming one collects tokens from cornflakes packets to upgrade from a car to a HGV licence. I could be wrong, but the evidence is not good. Really they seem just as bad as car drivers, motorcyclists, cyclists, horse riders and your average bobby in a diesel Astra.
richie22 said:
As a lorry driver , doing 100000 miles a year , I see all sorts of magical drivers on the nations roads. Examples. Those that run the hard shoulder with the hazard lights on when motorway traffic is stationary . Or them that drop too 20/30 mph on the hard shoulder to take a call . Whilst on the subject of motorways , what is a motorway slip road for ? Correct , for joining a motorway , but it also , a length of road to get your speed up on . Enabling you to join the traffic flow safely , note if lane 1 & 2 are occupied , what are you hoping to achieve by barging across on faster moving traffic ?
A roads , soon the law is changing . But at present I'm governed to 40mph in a national speed limit single carriageway , such as the a17 . The scene of today's master class , I can always tell when it's Grand Prix weekend . So I'm doing my 40 , nice relaxing drive , but I'm being stalked by an Astra who insists on presenting himself on the white line and in my mirror . So you get a nice long straight plenty room to safely overtake , does he fancy it ? No , he waits for the bend or a little bit of traffic , before he hits his full on senna mode . Note , putting the other driver in the position where he gives way or crash s only really works on a track ... He's off anyway , in 5th , tip: take a gear or plant the right foot , why on earth are you hanging about . Go go go .
Reference foreign lorry s , I drive in Europe so I speak with experiance , why do you car drivers insist on hanging around in a lorry s blind spot , BLIND SPOT, some times no matter how we try , that car is invisible . Is it any wonder there is so many side swipes on the roads. You see a lorry being driven tentatively , is he lost , is something wrong . Why don't you just give it a little time to sort himself out. Are you really that desperate to get past ?
Roundabouts . A lot of roundabouts in this country are poorly designed or unsuitable for the size of vehicles that often need to use them . Why do so many car drivers seem to think a roundabout is there to provide them the opertunity to overtake ? Look at the shape of an artic , at some point it's going to cut in and you being the stig's love child are going to be doing your racing line stuff, it ll make an awful mess out of your max power fibre glass body kit , think on !
What I'm trying to say is try to be abit more courteous and drive safe
And what pisses us motorists off is two things.A roads , soon the law is changing . But at present I'm governed to 40mph in a national speed limit single carriageway , such as the a17 . The scene of today's master class , I can always tell when it's Grand Prix weekend . So I'm doing my 40 , nice relaxing drive , but I'm being stalked by an Astra who insists on presenting himself on the white line and in my mirror . So you get a nice long straight plenty room to safely overtake , does he fancy it ? No , he waits for the bend or a little bit of traffic , before he hits his full on senna mode . Note , putting the other driver in the position where he gives way or crash s only really works on a track ... He's off anyway , in 5th , tip: take a gear or plant the right foot , why on earth are you hanging about . Go go go .
Reference foreign lorry s , I drive in Europe so I speak with experiance , why do you car drivers insist on hanging around in a lorry s blind spot , BLIND SPOT, some times no matter how we try , that car is invisible . Is it any wonder there is so many side swipes on the roads. You see a lorry being driven tentatively , is he lost , is something wrong . Why don't you just give it a little time to sort himself out. Are you really that desperate to get past ?
Roundabouts . A lot of roundabouts in this country are poorly designed or unsuitable for the size of vehicles that often need to use them . Why do so many car drivers seem to think a roundabout is there to provide them the opertunity to overtake ? Look at the shape of an artic , at some point it's going to cut in and you being the stig's love child are going to be doing your racing line stuff, it ll make an awful mess out of your max power fibre glass body kit , think on !
What I'm trying to say is try to be abit more courteous and drive safe
Elephant racing for miles and miles.
And when there is a contraflow, on a dual carriageway where one both lanes merge into one, is some dumb arsed trucker who decides to be Mr Plod, sits in the outside lane alongside another trucker, stopping any one passing.
I dont disagree with your comments on what you posted, but I wish you truckers would get your own house in order.
Oh and by the way, I anticipate and if I can, let truckers out at junctions and roundabouts etc, they have a job to do.
Edited by Vipers on Sunday 29th March 17:11
Are all lorry drivers tossers?
From lancaster to morecambe there is a two to one lane section with a sign stating "merge in turn"
In heavy traffic with both lanes full most car drivers follow the road sign, but least week a lorry decided it did not apply to him(and it's not the first time on this bit).
So based on that ,are all lorry drivers aholes too.
From lancaster to morecambe there is a two to one lane section with a sign stating "merge in turn"
In heavy traffic with both lanes full most car drivers follow the road sign, but least week a lorry decided it did not apply to him(and it's not the first time on this bit).
So based on that ,are all lorry drivers a
holes too.Jimboka said:
Are all car drivers empty headed @#*^# ?
I'd guess about the same percentage as Truck drivers/Cyclists/Pedestrians/Etc
Actually you could probably say "are all people empty headed @#*^# ?I'd guess about the same percentage as Truck drivers/Cyclists/Pedestrians/Etc
Because my experience with the general public suggests this is the case - most should not be allowed to (try to) drive, but at least these days at least 50% of them have a degree, even if they cannot add 2 to 2 and get the right answer or spell their name!
Progress I am told........
waynedear said:
A couple of weeks ago I had a rare European trip, France, Belgium, Holland and Germany, 800 miles or so, standard of driving is much higher
However. The Road accident death rate in France, Belgium, Holland and Germany is much higher than in the UK!How do you account for that, which at first view, appears a paradox?
Well I'll break the trend OP, I like truckers. "You lot" have saved me from a couple of £60 raffle wins from Mr Plod a good few times by flashing to let me know they're ahead. Especially since they have started parking dangerously on blind slip roads to catch people breaking an arbitrary number which apparently defines safety. Elephant racing isn't as a big a problem as the car drivers than then speed up to 60 when the lorry is done overtaking, barely creeping past them all the while probably moaning about lorry drivers
I get that elephant racing is a necessary evil when companies like tesco limit their trucks to 52 or whatever it is on the mway. Lorry limited to 56 has to pass to keep a good pace up. I'll be that ass that flashes and lets the lorry out. Really, it takes 2 or 3 minutes for the truck to pass then I'm away again. It doesn't ruin my day and it certainly causes me less disruption than the droves of morons with cars.
I get that elephant racing is a necessary evil when companies like tesco limit their trucks to 52 or whatever it is on the mway. Lorry limited to 56 has to pass to keep a good pace up. I'll be that ass that flashes and lets the lorry out. Really, it takes 2 or 3 minutes for the truck to pass then I'm away again. It doesn't ruin my day and it certainly causes me less disruption than the droves of morons with cars.
At the risk of alienating most of the purely car drivers contributing to the above, I write in defence of the trucker.
They are in charge of 44 tons of moving machinery that is directly tied to the responsibility of the job. Whenever there is any road traffic collision involving a truck or trucks, as a VERY general rule the incident has been caused by some brainless twallop in a car. The truckers are blamed because their size dictates that they are going to cause the most damage when control is lost. Again, as a general rule, truckers DO NOT sit in the middle/outside lanes of major roads. Too many car drivers seem to think that any lane that they sit in for any distance is owned by them - forcing other drivers to an outer lane leaving the inside lane(s) with little car traffic in it.
My part-time job is to pick cars up from all over the country and drive them back to our base in London. I am very happy to do 55-65mph mixing it with the truckers who tend to show good courtesy and road manners. Unlike car drivers, (usually in some thoroughly overrated German machinery), who consider the British Grand Prix as a daily event.
Stand by for some verbal abuse from, (mostly), overrated German car drivers. In both senses......
They are in charge of 44 tons of moving machinery that is directly tied to the responsibility of the job. Whenever there is any road traffic collision involving a truck or trucks, as a VERY general rule the incident has been caused by some brainless twallop in a car. The truckers are blamed because their size dictates that they are going to cause the most damage when control is lost. Again, as a general rule, truckers DO NOT sit in the middle/outside lanes of major roads. Too many car drivers seem to think that any lane that they sit in for any distance is owned by them - forcing other drivers to an outer lane leaving the inside lane(s) with little car traffic in it.
My part-time job is to pick cars up from all over the country and drive them back to our base in London. I am very happy to do 55-65mph mixing it with the truckers who tend to show good courtesy and road manners. Unlike car drivers, (usually in some thoroughly overrated German machinery), who consider the British Grand Prix as a daily event.
Stand by for some verbal abuse from, (mostly), overrated German car drivers. In both senses......
chilistrucker said:
These days though, considering how lorry drivers standards have sadly dropped, (may only be my opinion though) i'm not so sure.
Pay peanuts, get monkeys could be blamed for a lot of it i think, especially with the whole influx of a lot of our european cousins.
Interesting points. Pay peanuts, get monkeys could be blamed for a lot of it i think, especially with the whole influx of a lot of our european cousins.
Two other things to consider, firstly that the age restrictions on class 1 drivers has been removed so you can now have 18 year olds driving HGVs when they may have only been driving a car on the road for a matter of months.
Secondly given that it costs the best part of a couple of grand£ to obtain a class 1 licence (on the assumption you pass each part of the exam process first time) there is quite a commitment from the new driver so it is unlikely that there are that many drivers who got the licence for the hell of it.
The result is you have young drivers who have spent a fair chunk of cash who want to recoup it thus they will take on these HGV jobs that pay "peanuts" as you describe and not the £30k starting salary that some of the companies providing HGV training seem to think you will get.
I think Eddie Stobart manage to get away with paying their drivers barely £7ph!!
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