James Bond Racist

[popeyewhite]

MrBarry123 said:

Are there really people on here agreeing that James Bond cannot be played by a black actor or have I missed a lot of sarcasm?

No, you missed out on any brains morelike.

Captain Ahab, Gandalf, Flashman, The Famous Five, Sherlock Holmes, Fagin, Hannibal Lecter, Paddington Bear,Toad of Toad Hall, James Bond, Rochester, Heathcliff and fking Poldark all have the same thing in common - and it has to do with skincolour.

[grumbledoak]

I don't see why we cannot have a Black Paddington Bear.

[Hackney]

I look forward to seeing Eddie Redmayne or Benedict Cumberbatch playing Django in Tarantino's sequel.
What? It's fiction, right? So the guy playing the recently freed slave doesn't need to be black.
Or are you racist and think only black actors can play "black roles"

[eharding]

popeyewhite said:

MrBarry123 said:

Are there really people on here agreeing that James Bond cannot be played by a black actor or have I missed a lot of sarcasm?

No, you missed out on any brains morelike.

Captain Ahab, Gandalf, Flashman, The Famous Five, Sherlock Holmes, Fagin, Hannibal Lecter, Paddington Bear,Toad of Toad Hall, James Bond, Rochester, Heathcliff and fking Poldark all have the same thing in common - and it has to do with skincolour.

Paddington Bear and Toad Of - toot, toot, out of my way - Toad Hall are white, caucasian Bears and Toads?

[FarleyRusk]

Hackney said:

I look forward to seeing Eddie Redmayne or Benedict Cumberbatch playing Django in Tarantino's sequel.
What? It's fiction, right? So the guy playing the recently freed slave doesn't need to be black.
Or are you racist and think only black actors can play "black roles"

This. We're full and don't need anymore political correctness. Why can't a woman play bond? Or a disabled person?

[popeyewhite]

grumbledoak said:

I don't see why we cannot have a Black Paddington Bear.

Well yes, I suppose you do get black bears.

But they're not quintessentialy English, like Paddington was.

And OK, Toad wasn't white - but he was very definitely landed gentry of the old school, and very definitely something would be out of kilter if a black frog played him.

[eharding]

popeyewhite said:

grumbledoak said:

I don't see why we cannot have a Black Paddington Bear.

Well yes, I suppose you do get black bears.

But they're not quintessentialy English, like Paddington was.

And OK, Toad wasn't white - but he was very definitely landed gentry of the old school, and very definitely something would be out of kilter if a black frog played him.

If the resident 'kippers find out that Toad was in fact...Green...they'll go absolutely bat-st mental. Well, *more* bat-st mental than ever...if that's possible.

[ShayneJ]

could an SIS/mi6 officers character be played by a black man (or any other race)in a film certainly.

could a black (or any other except white) man play the specific character of commander James Bond RN (ret) SIS/mi6 officer?

as Mr Fleming wrote him probably not due to the time he was created to fit in to.

rightly or wrongly it just would not be credible.

however if bond was written today in the modern RN or SIS then yes why not.

[FarleyRusk]

popeyewhite said:

Well yes, I suppose you do get black bears.

But they're not quintessentialy English, like Paddington was.

And OK, Toad wasn't white - but he was very definitely landed gentry of the old school, and very definitely something would be out of kilter if a black frog played him.

Paddington was from bloody Peru so almost certain to be a bit more tanned than a domestic bear.
I reckon Steven Hawking or Diane Abbot would make awesome Bonds.

[grumbledoak]

popeyewhite said:

And OK, Toad wasn't white - but he was very definitely landed gentry of the old school, and very definitely something would be out of kilter if a black frog played him.

Oh, I am with you on all the others; Toad was a very early Upper Class Twit of the Year contender. Most definitely White. But, obviously the sub-Saharan Africans don't have any culture or history of their own so they have to be crowbar'd into ours. They can have Paddington Bear as long as we get to keep Toad. They have already appropriated Rasta Mouse, though I have yet to see the Baron Greenback character - is he still Italian?

[MrBarry123]

popeyewhite said:

No, you missed out on any brains morelike.

Captain Ahab, Gandalf, Flashman, The Famous Five, Sherlock Holmes, Fagin, Hannibal Lecter, Paddington Bear,Toad of Toad Hall, James Bond, Rochester, Heathcliff and fking Poldark all have the same thing in common - and it has to do with skincolour.

So ignoring Toad and Paddington Bear who are based on animals, the rest of the characters you mention were conceived at a time when Black people were treated as an underclass. As such, a story's main characters would never have been cast as Black as it wouldn't agree with the popular belief at the time that Black people were there to serve the White majority and not play an active part in society.

There is absolutely no good reason why James Bond could not be played by an actor such as Idris Elba; other than some outdated and racist belief that a character portraying the British Secret Service cannot be non-White.

[R666]

eharding said:

...and that, ladies and gentlemen, is the PH Klu Klux Klan close-formation-bigotry team display, 2015.

Bigot. Get back to reading the guardian

[popeyewhite]

FarleyRusk said:

Paddington was from bloody Peru so almost certain to be a bit more tanned than a domestic bear.
I reckon Steven Hawking or Diane Abbot would make awesome Bonds.

Never saw Hawking as a dry martini man somehow... .

[Impasse]

MrBarry123 said:

There is absolutely no good reason why James Bond could not be played by an actor such as Idris Elba; other than some outdated and racist belief that a character portraying the British Secret Service cannot be non-White.

You missed out the part where he is a crap actor.

[Mr Whippy]

You only need to see how many black presidents of USA there are in USA films. It's just trying to look pc and in doing so you're actually being more racist to black people imo.

Just put the appropriate person in a role and have done.

As for Idris Elba, black or not, he was a bit crap in most films I've seen, and would be a crap bond too.


If you're gonna pick a man to be bond, and they have to be black to tick a box, then pick someone who feels like a James bond and go for Colin Salmon who would be great, rather than Idris annoying fecking sky advert Elba!


Personally I always thought Salmon would be a good bond full stop, and was kinda expecting it after Brosnan. Instead they went for the most boring bond yet.

Edited by Mr Whippy on Monday 30th March 01:09

[birdcage]

I think what people are losing sight of here is that modern bond films are created not from the books in the main and are relevant to todays audience.

Fleming was a bigoted, sexist, racist (I am a massive fans of the books but some of his observations were beyond the pale) so a black man playing bond based on the books is outlandish as bond was less than generous in his descriptions of anyone who wasn't white frankly.

A new more enlightened world in which anyone could be 'believed' as bond is what we have here.

A 9 year old boy watching a bond film made today would not question a black bond which is the most telling thing about modern day society in this context

The main thing however is the best actor gets the job regardless of colour...Like the England football team surely with its players?

[Mr Whippy]

birdcage said:

The main thing however is the best actor gets the job regardless of colour...

Exactly, so probably not Elba by a long way as he just doesn't say 'Bond' compared to oodles more actors out there.

To even mention Elba for the role reeks of being a 'token' role rather than getting it on merit of being the 'right' bond.

Dave

[thehawk]

Hackney said:

I look forward to seeing Eddie Redmayne or Benedict Cumberbatch playing Django in Tarantino's sequel.
What? It's fiction, right? So the guy playing the recently freed slave doesn't need to be black.
Or are you racist and think only black actors can play "black roles"

Imagine the uproar that would cause, could even have an entire slave ship full of white prisoners putting on fake accents and singing dem songs.

[mybrainhurts]

thehawk said:

Hackney said:

I look forward to seeing Eddie Redmayne or Benedict Cumberbatch playing Django in Tarantino's sequel.
What? It's fiction, right? So the guy playing the recently freed slave doesn't need to be black.
Or are you racist and think only black actors can play "black roles"

Imagine the uproar that would cause, could even have an entire slave ship full of white prisoners putting on fake accents and singing dem songs.

Already pioneered by that luvverly bunch at the BBC...

[xjsdriver]

popeyewhite said:

Well yes, I suppose you do get black bears.

But they're not quintessentialy English, like Paddington was.

And OK, Toad wasn't white - but he was very definitely landed gentry of the old school, and very definitely something would be out of kilter if a black frog played him.

I think you'll find Paddington is quintessentially Peruvian......not English. HTH