Council Bankrupt/****ing money up a tree - Parking Ticket
Discussion
I got a parking ticket last year. Filled in, issued, stuck to windscreen and 'yellow-striped-parking-vulture' scarpered all within 1 minute of the expiration time.
Now this was £50 (£25 if paid in 14 days). I could have just paid, but it got my goat...the warden had clearly filled the ticket in ahead of time (or had dicky/fiddled with equipment).
I contested the ticket. It was rejected.
I asked for proof of calibration. They refused.
I appealed. It was rejected.
I contacted the (left-leaning) Council CEO who confirmed the ticket stood, as they only have to give THREE minutes grace.
I pointed out they gave out one. They ignored me.
They sent me an NTO threatening legal action. I asked to be referred to the courts.
I got a tribunal notification. I asked for the case to be heard with all parties present (tribunal fortuitously happens to be less than a mile from my house).
They accepted.
I was asked for my 'case' - I sent one photograph and a 250 word/half page letter detail the facts.
......I then got the council's defence. A 127 page dossier, duplicated, detailing every possible map/street plan/picture/etc (but no calibration proof). The postage alone came to over £12.
All this in a case than is indefensible for them, given the three minutes/one minute admission.
The same council is claiming financial difficulties and blaming 'government cuts'.... I suspect something else may be wasting money. Thank got it's not my council.
Rant Over....
Now this was £50 (£25 if paid in 14 days). I could have just paid, but it got my goat...the warden had clearly filled the ticket in ahead of time (or had dicky/fiddled with equipment).
I contested the ticket. It was rejected.
I asked for proof of calibration. They refused.
I appealed. It was rejected.
I contacted the (left-leaning) Council CEO who confirmed the ticket stood, as they only have to give THREE minutes grace.
I pointed out they gave out one. They ignored me.
They sent me an NTO threatening legal action. I asked to be referred to the courts.
I got a tribunal notification. I asked for the case to be heard with all parties present (tribunal fortuitously happens to be less than a mile from my house).
They accepted.
I was asked for my 'case' - I sent one photograph and a 250 word/half page letter detail the facts.
......I then got the council's defence. A 127 page dossier, duplicated, detailing every possible map/street plan/picture/etc (but no calibration proof). The postage alone came to over £12.
All this in a case than is indefensible for them, given the three minutes/one minute admission.
The same council is claiming financial difficulties and blaming 'government cuts'.... I suspect something else may be wasting money. Thank got it's not my council.
Rant Over....
Good luck getting justice.
I spent over 200 euros not including my loss of earnings fighting a 90 euro parking ticket (which wasn't me as I was in LA and nobody else has access to the car). I ended up appealing several times before going to court and having the judge throw the case out.
It's not the charge which is just so much chump change, it's the injustice.
I spent over 200 euros not including my loss of earnings fighting a 90 euro parking ticket (which wasn't me as I was in LA and nobody else has access to the car). I ended up appealing several times before going to court and having the judge throw the case out.
It's not the charge which is just so much chump change, it's the injustice.
Motorrad said:
Good luck getting justice.
I spent over 200 euros not including my loss of earnings fighting a 90 euro parking ticket (which wasn't me as I was in LA and nobody else has access to the car). I ended up appealing several times before going to court and having the judge throw the case out.
It's not the charge which is just so much chump change, it's the injustice.
The two cases are not comparable.I spent over 200 euros not including my loss of earnings fighting a 90 euro parking ticket (which wasn't me as I was in LA and nobody else has access to the car). I ended up appealing several times before going to court and having the judge throw the case out.
It's not the charge which is just so much chump change, it's the injustice.
Ares said:
I got a parking ticket last year. Filled in, issued, stuck to windscreen and 'yellow-striped-parking-vulture' scarpered all within 1 minute of the expiration time.
Now this was £50 (£25 if paid in 14 days). I could have just paid, but it got my goat...the warden had clearly filled the ticket in ahead of time (or had dicky/fiddled with equipment).
I contested the ticket. It was rejected.
I asked for proof of calibration. They refused.
I appealed. It was rejected.
I contacted the (left-leaning) Council CEO who confirmed the ticket stood, as they only have to give THREE minutes grace.
I pointed out they gave out one. They ignored me.
They sent me an NTO threatening legal action. I asked to be referred to the courts.
I got a tribunal notification. I asked for the case to be heard with all parties present (tribunal fortuitously happens to be less than a mile from my house).
They accepted.
I was asked for my 'case' - I sent one photograph and a 250 word/half page letter detail the facts.
......I then got the council's defence. A 127 page dossier, duplicated, detailing every possible map/street plan/picture/etc (but no calibration proof). The postage alone came to over £12.
All this in a case than is indefensible for them, given the three minutes/one minute admission.
The same council is claiming financial difficulties and blaming 'government cuts'.... I suspect something else may be wasting money. Thank got it's not my council.
Rant Over....
Why are you wasting every other council tax payer's money? Pay the ticket you thief!Now this was £50 (£25 if paid in 14 days). I could have just paid, but it got my goat...the warden had clearly filled the ticket in ahead of time (or had dicky/fiddled with equipment).
I contested the ticket. It was rejected.
I asked for proof of calibration. They refused.
I appealed. It was rejected.
I contacted the (left-leaning) Council CEO who confirmed the ticket stood, as they only have to give THREE minutes grace.
I pointed out they gave out one. They ignored me.
They sent me an NTO threatening legal action. I asked to be referred to the courts.
I got a tribunal notification. I asked for the case to be heard with all parties present (tribunal fortuitously happens to be less than a mile from my house).
They accepted.
I was asked for my 'case' - I sent one photograph and a 250 word/half page letter detail the facts.
......I then got the council's defence. A 127 page dossier, duplicated, detailing every possible map/street plan/picture/etc (but no calibration proof). The postage alone came to over £12.
All this in a case than is indefensible for them, given the three minutes/one minute admission.
The same council is claiming financial difficulties and blaming 'government cuts'.... I suspect something else may be wasting money. Thank got it's not my council.
Rant Over....
Ares said:
I got a parking ticket last year. Filled in, issued, stuck to windscreen and 'yellow-striped-parking-vulture' scarpered all within 1 minute of the expiration time.
Now this was £50 (£25 if paid in 14 days). I could have just paid, but it got my goat...the warden had clearly filled the ticket in ahead of time (or had dicky/fiddled with equipment).
I contested the ticket. It was rejected.
I asked for proof of calibration. They refused.
I appealed. It was rejected.
I contacted the (left-leaning) Council CEO who confirmed the ticket stood, as they only have to give THREE minutes grace.
I pointed out they gave out one. They ignored me.
They sent me an NTO threatening legal action. I asked to be referred to the courts.
I got a tribunal notification. I asked for the case to be heard with all parties present (tribunal fortuitously happens to be less than a mile from my house).
They accepted.
I was asked for my 'case' - I sent one photograph and a 250 word/half page letter detail the facts.
......I then got the council's defence. A 127 page dossier, duplicated, detailing every possible map/street plan/picture/etc (but no calibration proof). The postage alone came to over £12.
All this in a case than is indefensible for them, given the three minutes/one minute admission.
The same council is claiming financial difficulties and blaming 'government cuts'.... I suspect something else may be wasting money. Thank got it's not my council.
Rant Over....
Now this was £50 (£25 if paid in 14 days). I could have just paid, but it got my goat...the warden had clearly filled the ticket in ahead of time (or had dicky/fiddled with equipment).
I contested the ticket. It was rejected.
I asked for proof of calibration. They refused.
I appealed. It was rejected.
I contacted the (left-leaning) Council CEO who confirmed the ticket stood, as they only have to give THREE minutes grace.
I pointed out they gave out one. They ignored me.
They sent me an NTO threatening legal action. I asked to be referred to the courts.
I got a tribunal notification. I asked for the case to be heard with all parties present (tribunal fortuitously happens to be less than a mile from my house).
They accepted.
I was asked for my 'case' - I sent one photograph and a 250 word/half page letter detail the facts.
......I then got the council's defence. A 127 page dossier, duplicated, detailing every possible map/street plan/picture/etc (but no calibration proof). The postage alone came to over £12.
All this in a case than is indefensible for them, given the three minutes/one minute admission.
The same council is claiming financial difficulties and blaming 'government cuts'.... I suspect something else may be wasting money. Thank got it's not my council.
Rant Over....
Zod said:
Issi said:
If he was, I bet you a pound that he was 'ONLY' a couple of minutes late.
Wow the tosser brigade are out responding to this one! He states that he was one minute late.You know when the sign states 'parking limited for 1hr only'? Do you think it means 1hr only or 1hr and a few minutes?
Penalty charges are obviously emotive, and should be contested if wrong.
You obviously know the details better than anyone on here, and given you've chosen to contest I hope you get the result you want.
I can assure you though that Councils are facing pretty large reductions in spending, and have been near the top of the list of government spending to be cut (and deliver cuts incidentally).
That doesn't mean councils still won't screw things up. And more reliance on income from charges and penalties is an inevitable outcome of cuts.
I do struggle though to see the link between funding reductions and your ticket. Councils were screwing up parking tickets back in the days when Labour's magic money tree was increasing council funding, so its not a direct cause.
Also, poor administration can be challenged via ombudsman, and the more that marginal tickets are overturned on appeal, the more councils "should" do to improve quality of ticketing.
I say should, because eventually the cost will outweigh the benefit, but only if people do it.
Ian
(Accountancy Manager at a council)
You obviously know the details better than anyone on here, and given you've chosen to contest I hope you get the result you want.
I can assure you though that Councils are facing pretty large reductions in spending, and have been near the top of the list of government spending to be cut (and deliver cuts incidentally).
That doesn't mean councils still won't screw things up. And more reliance on income from charges and penalties is an inevitable outcome of cuts.
I do struggle though to see the link between funding reductions and your ticket. Councils were screwing up parking tickets back in the days when Labour's magic money tree was increasing council funding, so its not a direct cause.
Also, poor administration can be challenged via ombudsman, and the more that marginal tickets are overturned on appeal, the more councils "should" do to improve quality of ticketing.
I say should, because eventually the cost will outweigh the benefit, but only if people do it.
Ian
(Accountancy Manager at a council)
Issi said:
Zod said:
Issi said:
If he was, I bet you a pound that he was 'ONLY' a couple of minutes late.
Wow the tosser brigade are out responding to this one! He states that he was one minute late.You know when the sign states 'parking limited for 1hr only'? Do you think it means 1hr only or 1hr and a few minutes?
Yep, I've found myself doing that.
I've been ticketed in that situation too.
I thought "bks, fair enough though, I'm the one who went over the time limit" and paid it.
Clearly I should have pissed many hours of my time and other people's time up the wall because it's so unfair. I wish I wasn't so weak.
I've been ticketed in that situation too.
I thought "bks, fair enough though, I'm the one who went over the time limit" and paid it.
Clearly I should have pissed many hours of my time and other people's time up the wall because it's so unfair. I wish I wasn't so weak.
fk there are some thick people on PH these days.
He stated pretty clearly the ticket was issued 1 minute after a certain time and the council operate a 3 minute grace period.
Why, I wonder, do they do that??
Do you think the parking inspectors' watches and ticket machines are synchronised?
OP
The council members are (only just) as fking useless as many of the PHers on this thread.
Good luck with the issue.
He stated pretty clearly the ticket was issued 1 minute after a certain time and the council operate a 3 minute grace period.
Why, I wonder, do they do that??
Do you think the parking inspectors' watches and ticket machines are synchronised?
OP
The council members are (only just) as fking useless as many of the PHers on this thread.
Good luck with the issue.
Issi said:
Zod said:
Issi said:
If he was, I bet you a pound that he was 'ONLY' a couple of minutes late.
Wow the tosser brigade are out responding to this one! He states that he was one minute late.You know when the sign states 'parking limited for 1hr only'? Do you think it means 1hr only or 1hr and a few minutes?
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