the 918 vs P1 vid is now live today, (the motortrend one)

[PorscheGT4]

Interesting, after the write up here is the vid :-)

https://youtu.be/3fnTZKvX5jg

[sootyvrs]

Thanks for posting... been waiting to see a head to head for some time... shame Ferrari declined to get involved though...

I'm surprised with the result but not suprised at the same time... I guess another track may have favoured the other?

[PorscheGT4]

sootyvrs said:

Thanks for posting... been waiting to see a head to head for some time... shame Ferrari declined to get involved though...

I'm surprised with the result but not suprised at the same time... I guess another track may have favoured the other?

seems not, 918 is just faster on a few tracks now, and others which the P1 refuses to turn up too.

[Alpinestars]

You've got to admire Porsche for just turning up and running, when the other 2 either refuse to turn up, or have to resort to endless "tuning" when on the track.

[Upnorthgt3]

Power is nothing without control

Proper cliché there haha

[berty37]

I am not 100% but either Apolo or Wtdoom may confirm that the car at Laguna was not full power either.

[wtdoom]

berty37 said:

I am not 100% but either Apolo or Wtdoom may confirm that the car at Laguna was not full power either.

It was full power ( and an actual production car named Alice I think ) but Non Weissach pack . So less downforce , more unsprung weight etc than the weissach pack cars .
Weissach pack car would have been even faster . It would have had ( slightly more ) punch out of corners and been faster in the big corners too as well as slightly more (!) stable under braking . We were crazy to doubt Porsche .

When you see the cars together you would think the 918 cost twice the price of the P1 , its night and day quality . Very interesting

Edited by wtdoom on Wednesday 1st April 22:21

[berty37]

Ok thanks for clarifying mate.

[wtdoom]

berty37 said:

Ok thanks for clarifying mate.

you're welcome matey

[mhh]

I was hoping the McLaren would take the flag as this result only makes it harder for anyone (like me) who is trying to buy a 918. The worst thing about shopping in the aftermarket isn't the price hike though - it's the scammers who expect a 10% deposit to look at a car they haven't got.

Anyway, having got that off my chest, it is a great video. Thanks for posting!

[IMIA]

wtdoom said:

When you see the cars together you would think the 918 cost twice the price of the P1 , its night and day quality . Very interesting

very wise move those that bought the porker - i was underwhelmed by the p1 in the flesh at vmax

[footsoldier]

Good to see a video with both cars being driven properly, instead of sideways and slowly. Very refreshing, even with the odd missed apex!

I can see why some people would prefer a P1, and it looks more "hyper", if that's what you want, but Porsche has nailed it. The car is quicker, better built, and let's not forget is the only one which meets the lowest emission targets. It's the winner on most counts.

Again, personally, I wouldn't want a LaF, but can see why some would. However, I'm sure that Ferrari will have tested against both the P1 and the 918 and their continued refusal to get involved and even to block customers, speaks volumes IMO. If they knew they would "win" they'd be out there.

[IMIA]

footsoldier said:

Good to see a video with both cars being driven properly, instead of sideways and slowly. Very refreshing, even with the odd missed apex!

I can see why some people would prefer a P1, and it looks more "hyper", if that's what you want, but Porsche has nailed it. The car is quicker, better built, and let's not forget is the only one which meets the lowest emission targets. It's the winner on most counts.

Again, personally, I wouldn't want a LaF, but can see why some would. However, I'm sure that Ferrari will have tested against both the P1 and the 918 and their continued refusal to get involved and even to block customers, speaks volumes IMO. If they knew they would "win" they'd be out there.

la f looked really average in the flesh - Enzo next to it made it look ordinary

[wtdoom]

IMIA said:

la f looked really average in the flesh - Enzo next ti made it look ordinary

Enzo still more spectacular , agree but laf very special . top end fast , very fast indeed

Edited by wtdoom on Wednesday 1st April 22:49

[braddo]

The thread about this in general gassing mentions that the 918's pace was akin to "qualifying pace" (single fast lap only, followed by a gentler lap for recharging), whereas the P1 could maintain that single lap pace over multiple laps.

I haven't watched this vid or read the article but have there been any tests that look at the cars' pace over, say, 5 laps of a typical circuit?

[footsoldier]

Not correct. This is the Motor Trend published times form each cars fastest session. (Porsche's only attempt, one of a few from P1)

918 Spyder – 4 laps in total:
1. Warm up lap – 2.01.30;
2. Charging lap – 1.44;
3. Record lap – 1.29.89
4. Last lap – 1.30.76.

P1 – 8 laps in total:
1. Warm up – 1.54;
2. Charging – 1.42;
3. Record attempt – 1.31.67;
4. Charging – 1.43;
5. Record lap – 1.30.71;
6. Charging – 1.41
7. Record attempt – 1.31.07;
8. Final lap – 1.54

[wtdoom]

braddo said:

The thread about this in general gassing mentions that the 918's pace was akin to "qualifying pace" (single fast lap only, followed by a gentler lap for recharging), whereas the P1 could maintain that single lap pace over multiple laps.

I haven't watched this vid or read the article but have there been any tests that look at the cars' pace over, say, 5 laps of a typical circuit?

incorrect , Confirmed by the writer on his Twitter feed .

Edited by wtdoom on Thursday 2nd April 00:26

[isaldiri]

The 918 did do more than just those 4 laps per the published mototrend data.

post 1084 per the owner of the P1 has a short summary of the day and although it's on the mclarenlife forum, none of what he said was refuted by any of the 3 918 owners who were taking an active interest in the thread.

Please ignore this mycroft chap as well if I might add.....

http://www.mclarenlife.com/forums/mclaren-p1-f1/21...

[wtdoom]

isaldiri said:

The 918 did do more than just those 4 laps per the published mototrend data.

post 1084 per the owner of the P1 has a short summary of the day and although it's on the mclarenlife forum, none of what he said was refuted by any of the 3 918 owners who were taking an active interest in the thread.

Please ignore this mycroft chap as well if I might add.....

http://www.mclarenlife.com/forums/mclaren-p1-f1/21...

I gave up on that thread a long time ago

The p1 did many many laps and what he says about lconstant laps were v
Verified only by him . Nothing like what lago says . Have very little interest in mclaren life , it's like a cult

[isaldiri]

wtdoom said:

I gave up on that thread a long time ago

The p1 did many many laps and what he says about lconstant laps were v
Verified only by him . Nothing like what lago says . Have very little interest in mclaren life , it's like a cult

Perhaps a cult yes but any worse than another marque specific forum like ferrarichat or here on th Porsche PH section? Perhaps not either.

In any case, nothing controversial or biased Or cult-like in the post surely. All treynor (the owner who has always been pretty reasonable and was very complimentary to the 918) noted was that:

The 918 did some laps, came back to adjust pressures and went out again twice.
The P1 then took over and did a lot more laps trying to match the time and failed even with a new set of tyres.

None of the 918 owners active on the thread, unotaz/whoopsy or apolo1 here, who i am given to understand were privy to PCNA notes on the day saw fit to contradict any of that. Merely thought it would might be of interest to note what someone who was there on the day observed and the reasoning behind the slightly odd running order per the published motortrend data.

Edited by isaldiri on Thursday 2nd April 01:06