Supercar ONLY paddock @ The Hare, Roxwell. Sat 2nd May.
Discussion
Hello lady's & gents,
Just back from the first Hare breakfast meet of 2015 and despite the chilly wet weather, the die hards were out in force and yet again we had a great turnout of cars from all walks of life.
Many will know that The Hare breakfast meet is an absolutely superb morning out for petrol heads and a great social day in our monthly calendar. The meet has however largely become a victim of its own success and there has been much criticism over parking and certain more "common" cars being turned away from the main carpark by the owner to allow space for the more special cars.
I personally think that all the cars that go are special in one way or other and in many cases the owners have spent much time money and sweat over their pride and joy. We all appreciate all things fast, classic, tuned or rare.
We also know that the carpark does get full very quickly and those of us that want a space in the carpark get there early to avoid disappointment.
The management has since said that the meet has been successful because of the special supercars that turn out and the kind of hyper expensive/rare machinery you don't see every day. However, due to the difficulties parking many of the Supercar owners no longer attend because they cannot get a space in the carpark and do not want to try and shoehorn their £200k+ cars in between people who have parked irresponsibly or are taking up space in their daily hack.
The meet works well because of the eclectic mix of everything petrol, but largely it's the supercars the team behind The Hare work so hard to put the meet on for.
So starting from next months meeting, Saturday 2nd May.
There will be a Supercar ONLY paddock in the gravel area.
This will be closed to everyone but supercars and hyper expensive classics. A "mini Goodwood" if you will. This will be reserved for those cars only until 9am. After 9am, any spaces thereafter will be opened up to the rest of the regulars to fill.
This way, there will be an area for supercars to park IF they make the effort to get there by a designated time.
We ALL know what supercars are, Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLarens, Zondas etc. So pleased do not be offended if you're requested not to park in the Supercar paddock if you do not arrive in that level of machinery. This will be incredibly difficult to police for those involved but hopefully with everyone's cooperation it will be of benefit to everyone.
There will be additional parking attendants who will be directing cars and will kindly request that you respect their directions on where you're asked to park.
Parking should be responsible so as to allow as many cars in as possible and not to park across multiple spaces. The more responsibly you park, the more people we can welcome in.
In the past i have been the first to criticise how the vetting of vehicles is done, but it's obvious to me that The Hare team have no easy task running the events and want nothing more than them to be successful for everyone, no matter what vehicle you arrive in. It's impossible to please everyone ALL of the time but with a little bit of cooperation from everyone, they will have a damn good go.
So, there you have it.
Starting next month, Saturday 2nd May, The Hare, Roxwell will have a Supercar ONLY paddock reserved until 9am. (The gravel area)
Let's hope the sun shines for the event and look forward to it being a superb morning for everyone.
Many thanks,
Frayz
Just back from the first Hare breakfast meet of 2015 and despite the chilly wet weather, the die hards were out in force and yet again we had a great turnout of cars from all walks of life.
Many will know that The Hare breakfast meet is an absolutely superb morning out for petrol heads and a great social day in our monthly calendar. The meet has however largely become a victim of its own success and there has been much criticism over parking and certain more "common" cars being turned away from the main carpark by the owner to allow space for the more special cars.
I personally think that all the cars that go are special in one way or other and in many cases the owners have spent much time money and sweat over their pride and joy. We all appreciate all things fast, classic, tuned or rare.
We also know that the carpark does get full very quickly and those of us that want a space in the carpark get there early to avoid disappointment.
The management has since said that the meet has been successful because of the special supercars that turn out and the kind of hyper expensive/rare machinery you don't see every day. However, due to the difficulties parking many of the Supercar owners no longer attend because they cannot get a space in the carpark and do not want to try and shoehorn their £200k+ cars in between people who have parked irresponsibly or are taking up space in their daily hack.
The meet works well because of the eclectic mix of everything petrol, but largely it's the supercars the team behind The Hare work so hard to put the meet on for.
So starting from next months meeting, Saturday 2nd May.
There will be a Supercar ONLY paddock in the gravel area.
This will be closed to everyone but supercars and hyper expensive classics. A "mini Goodwood" if you will. This will be reserved for those cars only until 9am. After 9am, any spaces thereafter will be opened up to the rest of the regulars to fill.
This way, there will be an area for supercars to park IF they make the effort to get there by a designated time.
We ALL know what supercars are, Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLarens, Zondas etc. So pleased do not be offended if you're requested not to park in the Supercar paddock if you do not arrive in that level of machinery. This will be incredibly difficult to police for those involved but hopefully with everyone's cooperation it will be of benefit to everyone.
There will be additional parking attendants who will be directing cars and will kindly request that you respect their directions on where you're asked to park.
Parking should be responsible so as to allow as many cars in as possible and not to park across multiple spaces. The more responsibly you park, the more people we can welcome in.
In the past i have been the first to criticise how the vetting of vehicles is done, but it's obvious to me that The Hare team have no easy task running the events and want nothing more than them to be successful for everyone, no matter what vehicle you arrive in. It's impossible to please everyone ALL of the time but with a little bit of cooperation from everyone, they will have a damn good go.
So, there you have it.
Starting next month, Saturday 2nd May, The Hare, Roxwell will have a Supercar ONLY paddock reserved until 9am. (The gravel area)
Let's hope the sun shines for the event and look forward to it being a superb morning for everyone.
Many thanks,
Frayz
frayz said:
due to the difficulties parking many of the Supercar owners no longer attend because they cannot get a space in the carpark and do not want to try and shoehorn their £200k+ cars in between people who have parked irresponsibly or are taking up space in their daily hack.
The above issue isn't exclusive to "supercar" owners, lots of "lesser" cars probably don't go for the exact same reasons, even if they cost £2k and not £200k
frayz said:
We ALL know what supercars are
Do we? Just for the avoidance of doubt and to avoid people getting upset when turned away, could you please post the criteria used to determine what defines a Supercar, perhaps provide a definitive list of qualifying vehicles? 
None of the above is a dig at you or anyone else, personally I like all sorts of cars from minis to McLaren, seeing your new rollcage in the flesh appeals more to me than looking at certain "high end" marque's.
I think a wide range of cars makes it more interesting, and spaces should be given on a first come first served basis, but then again it's not my show and who am I to dictate. I didn't even make it today as rain was forecast and I don't have a roof or doors
To lose the likes of those lovely American classics I so enjoyed last year would be a shame. If I pitched up in a shopping car I'd park it elsewhere to leave space for the more exotic cars.
But where do we draw the line? No Mercedes? No Porsches?...so a Gullwing and Carrera GT pitch up....where do they get parked?
And why should a Mondial get a space just because it has a Ferrari badge on it?
But where do we draw the line? No Mercedes? No Porsches?...so a Gullwing and Carrera GT pitch up....where do they get parked?
And why should a Mondial get a space just because it has a Ferrari badge on it?
And the above comments are what I was trying to explain to Gary today. The reason so many go is due to the diversity. I love to see all sorts from the like of the tidy old skool beetle there today through to the ford gt. I love the yank tanks that turn up. There has only been a couple of cars that have really blown me away.one was the f40,the genuine ford gt40 last year the porsche gt3rs4.0 and the Chevrolet Chevrolet last year.
I appriciate Gary loves the "mega money super cars" and so do I but a rich chap turning up in a 200+k car that has just rolled off the factory and parks next to the same in a different colour doesn't always make it great. The effort put in to some of the older stuff impresses me just as much or more. The chap with the old mg who painstakingly clean those mesh wheels and grills to keep her in top condition all these years, or the chrome cover El camino etc, all warrant huge respect.
I did Agree with the gravel section idea for the likes of the aventador, p1,carrera gt boys etc.but as frayz has said if they can't be arsed to get out of bed by a certain time like the rest of the real petrol heads then I'm afraid it is "you snooze,you lose" literally. Just because you have money doesn't mean you can roll up as and when and expect people to move for you.
Get your butt out of bed and park with the other "super cars" early!
We will see how it goes but I hope the regular "bread and butter" petrolheads who go rain or shine don't have their noses put out of joint for the sake of some "once in a blue moon if there isn't a cloud in the sky" comers
I appriciate Gary loves the "mega money super cars" and so do I but a rich chap turning up in a 200+k car that has just rolled off the factory and parks next to the same in a different colour doesn't always make it great. The effort put in to some of the older stuff impresses me just as much or more. The chap with the old mg who painstakingly clean those mesh wheels and grills to keep her in top condition all these years, or the chrome cover El camino etc, all warrant huge respect.
I did Agree with the gravel section idea for the likes of the aventador, p1,carrera gt boys etc.but as frayz has said if they can't be arsed to get out of bed by a certain time like the rest of the real petrol heads then I'm afraid it is "you snooze,you lose" literally. Just because you have money doesn't mean you can roll up as and when and expect people to move for you.
Get your butt out of bed and park with the other "super cars" early!
We will see how it goes but I hope the regular "bread and butter" petrolheads who go rain or shine don't have their noses put out of joint for the sake of some "once in a blue moon if there isn't a cloud in the sky" comers
That beetle. I absolutely LOVED it. Want one badly. Would be a crying shame if that kind of diversity wasn't preserved. but I can understand Gary's challenge and respect what he's trying to do. The plans for the St Anne's Castle are exciting. There's a lot more parking there and also further parking in the playing field car park.
Guys for the record I agree with everyone's comments above. I can't diagree with any of it. However it's not my event and not my rules.
I love the meet as much as all of you, however I'm not prepared to criticise without offering to help be part of a solution.
Hence why I was asked to try and help man the cars coming in and directing them. The management want to see the mega money Supercars. Personally I have more interest in a car painstakingly built rather than bought. But I have to say I may not like all the cars there, but without doubt I apprecaite every damn one of them.
It's all too easy to point and criticise, but they want Supercars. So that's what we will try and give them. I personally feel that if you want a space and you're a true petrolhead then get up early like everyone else.
However this way, the rich boys get an opportunity to show up on time.
Next month if the gravel area has half a dozen cars in it and the rest is overspilling, then maybe the idea will have to be reconsidered.
I love the Hare and want to continue to enjoy going for the social with my friends and to have a natter over all things piston related.
For the record, my Supercar baiting home built Impreza will be sat on the bench with the rest of the peasants.
I love the meet as much as all of you, however I'm not prepared to criticise without offering to help be part of a solution.
Hence why I was asked to try and help man the cars coming in and directing them. The management want to see the mega money Supercars. Personally I have more interest in a car painstakingly built rather than bought. But I have to say I may not like all the cars there, but without doubt I apprecaite every damn one of them.
It's all too easy to point and criticise, but they want Supercars. So that's what we will try and give them. I personally feel that if you want a space and you're a true petrolhead then get up early like everyone else.
However this way, the rich boys get an opportunity to show up on time.
Next month if the gravel area has half a dozen cars in it and the rest is overspilling, then maybe the idea will have to be reconsidered.
I love the Hare and want to continue to enjoy going for the social with my friends and to have a natter over all things piston related.
For the record, my Supercar baiting home built Impreza will be sat on the bench with the rest of the peasants.
Have only just seen this post. I live a couple of miles away and would love to come along to next months event with my two kids.
However I have to say all this indifferent (i.e. negative) chat is putting me off a little which is a real shame.
If I brought the GT3 along can someone clarify whether I'd actually be able to park near the event or should I plan to bring hiking boots and sandwiches along having been outcast to a car park somewhere near the Essex/Herts border??
However I have to say all this indifferent (i.e. negative) chat is putting me off a little which is a real shame.
If I brought the GT3 along can someone clarify whether I'd actually be able to park near the event or should I plan to bring hiking boots and sandwiches along having been outcast to a car park somewhere near the Essex/Herts border??
To clarify.
Approx 1/3 of the carpark is a gravel area. The rest is tarmac. It's all part of the same carpark, however the management want to try and keep a section clear for the Supercars. Ferrari, McLarens, Lambos etc. That's all.
I realise I've put myself in the firing line here, but I'm trying to offer some help to them. They asked me to post it here as I frequent this forum regularly, and know many of the monthly attendees do too.
I think this is a topic many people have an opinion of and many good worthwhile ideas.
Maybe share those ideas with the management there?
Approx 1/3 of the carpark is a gravel area. The rest is tarmac. It's all part of the same carpark, however the management want to try and keep a section clear for the Supercars. Ferrari, McLarens, Lambos etc. That's all.
I realise I've put myself in the firing line here, but I'm trying to offer some help to them. They asked me to post it here as I frequent this forum regularly, and know many of the monthly attendees do too.
I think this is a topic many people have an opinion of and many good worthwhile ideas.
Maybe share those ideas with the management there?
So, short version, my comment last month was 100% accurate.
I feel sorry for whoever has the job of deciding which direction to turn a 360 or a 348 or a Mondial. I mean at what price-point/age does your 'supercar' cease to be super? Non-car folks think my noble is some kind of Ferrari all the time because it's low and red so is that good enough? Tbh I'd park with everyone else anyway as this elitist nonsense has no place on these pages. (Not your fault frayz as you're just the messenger.)
Bicknacre meet was far more relaxed and enjoyable last month anyway so perhaps that's the way forward. I like my car meets to be organised by car lovers rather than businessmen drumming up trade. And as sjc says, a meet is what everyone here understands it to be.
I feel sorry for whoever has the job of deciding which direction to turn a 360 or a 348 or a Mondial. I mean at what price-point/age does your 'supercar' cease to be super? Non-car folks think my noble is some kind of Ferrari all the time because it's low and red so is that good enough? Tbh I'd park with everyone else anyway as this elitist nonsense has no place on these pages. (Not your fault frayz as you're just the messenger.)
Bicknacre meet was far more relaxed and enjoyable last month anyway so perhaps that's the way forward. I like my car meets to be organised by car lovers rather than businessmen drumming up trade. And as sjc says, a meet is what everyone here understands it to be.
Edited by macky17 on Saturday 4th April 23:03
macky17 said:
So, short version, my comment last month was 100% accurate.
I feel sorry for whoever has the job of deciding which direction to turn a 360 or a 348 or a Mondial. I mean at what price-point/age does your 'supercar' cease to be super? Non-car folks think my noble is some kind of Ferrari all the time because it's low and red so is that good enough? Tbh I'd park with everyone else anyway as this elitist nonsense has no place on these pages. (Not your fault frayz as you're just the messenger.)
Bicknacre meet was far more relaxed and enjoyable last month anyway so perhaps that's the way forward. I like my car meets to be run by car lovers rather than businessmen.
So true!I feel sorry for whoever has the job of deciding which direction to turn a 360 or a 348 or a Mondial. I mean at what price-point/age does your 'supercar' cease to be super? Non-car folks think my noble is some kind of Ferrari all the time because it's low and red so is that good enough? Tbh I'd park with everyone else anyway as this elitist nonsense has no place on these pages. (Not your fault frayz as you're just the messenger.)
Bicknacre meet was far more relaxed and enjoyable last month anyway so perhaps that's the way forward. I like my car meets to be run by car lovers rather than businessmen.
Frayz, I know you are only trying to help, but we all know that Gary frequents Pistonheads forums, (often as a "friend" of The Hare management) so why doesn't he say what he wants of the meet himself? rather than putting you in the firing line!
I've got big shoulders mate. So I'm not worried.
I also know you guys well, and you all know me well enough to know this isn't the way I would do things.
You know that I'm clearly a messenger trying to help rather than just point the finger.
I was as much upset to see genuine petrolheads in proper drivers cars get asked to park elsewhere and I was the first to express my distaste of it. However If I disagree with something I will say, however when asked to help, I also find it hard to say no.
I don't think people should critisise without being willing to be part of a solution themselves. In all honesty who am I to decide if a car deserves to be parked where? I'm just a regular bloke who's spent 10 years pouring time, effort and money building a road going rally car in his garage.
Personally I don't think this is the absolute solution, but it's a middle ground. Failing that, they say the meet is a Supercar only meet and the management can stand out front vetting the incoming traffic and wallet size themselves.
Personally I'd rather speak to true petrolheads than some guy sporting the latest on trend Supercar because he is wealthy enough to afford the curb candy.
However I'm willing to try and help everyone because I'm a petrolhead who just loves cars and these type of events.
I also know you guys well, and you all know me well enough to know this isn't the way I would do things.
You know that I'm clearly a messenger trying to help rather than just point the finger.
I was as much upset to see genuine petrolheads in proper drivers cars get asked to park elsewhere and I was the first to express my distaste of it. However If I disagree with something I will say, however when asked to help, I also find it hard to say no.
I don't think people should critisise without being willing to be part of a solution themselves. In all honesty who am I to decide if a car deserves to be parked where? I'm just a regular bloke who's spent 10 years pouring time, effort and money building a road going rally car in his garage.
Personally I don't think this is the absolute solution, but it's a middle ground. Failing that, they say the meet is a Supercar only meet and the management can stand out front vetting the incoming traffic and wallet size themselves.
Personally I'd rather speak to true petrolheads than some guy sporting the latest on trend Supercar because he is wealthy enough to afford the curb candy.
However I'm willing to try and help everyone because I'm a petrolhead who just loves cars and these type of events.
frayz said:
Failing that, they say the meet is a Supercar only meet and the management can stand out front vetting the incoming traffic and wallet size themselves.
And there lies the rub, because if it became a Supercar only meet, very few would attend I'd wager.(Either way, thanks for your efforts Frayz.)
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