New Mac Photo App.
Discussion
I might be missing something here but it seems excessively dumbed down, not that the previous was a such an expert app. I was using iPhoto to organise and linked to PS Elements to edit. Now I cannot seem to do that latter, anyone else playing with this?
I am not a hard core photo editor BTW. The previous suited my needs.
Also seeing that it imports from the old iPhoto library and seems to create a new library but one help document on apple suggested they are links rather than copies? Odd then that files size is the same.
Thinking I export the lot and find something new or just stick with PSE 11 organiser and editor. What else can I try in the world of amateur for the fun of it?
I am not a hard core photo editor BTW. The previous suited my needs.
Also seeing that it imports from the old iPhoto library and seems to create a new library but one help document on apple suggested they are links rather than copies? Odd then that files size is the same.
Thinking I export the lot and find something new or just stick with PSE 11 organiser and editor. What else can I try in the world of amateur for the fun of it?
I did export the lot as originals before updating to 10.10.3. I was sort of happy with before, but I cannot seem to select an external editor as a preference. Seems aimed at the iPhone happy snappy generation and selfies. That and iCloud as part of the system. Not paying extra for cloud backup if I already have it.
It's really bad. I wasn't a huge fan of iPhoto because it was a bit slow, but it was OK to use.
Now I can list allphotos 'moments' in the order they were taken, without any descriptions simply the timestamp and geo data.
If I have 'albums' then they're only listed in alphabetical order and not chronological as before.
I know I'm an old fart but I don't get all this 'cloud' social media thing. I don't see why everyone would want to store all their photos on-line somewhere (for a fee if you have a lot) so that you can then easily view and share them on all their devices and Facebook.
Maybe (as seems to be the current Apple way) they'll improve it over time to give back the functionality that was lost.
Now I can list all
If I have 'albums' then they're only listed in alphabetical order and not chronological as before.
I know I'm an old fart but I don't get all this 'cloud' social media thing. I don't see why everyone would want to store all their photos on-line somewhere (for a fee if you have a lot) so that you can then easily view and share them on all their devices and Facebook.
Maybe (as seems to be the current Apple way) they'll improve it over time to give back the functionality that was lost.
qube_TA said:
Maybe (as seems to be the current Apple way) they'll improve it over time to give back the functionality that was lost.
Doubt it. They have stuck with certain things like the system font despite my users complaining. Getting a bit "do as I say" with some stuff. Not looked at lightroom for a while, might go see what that does now.Yeah, I copied everything across from Aperture and am also underwhelmed as the abilities.
I do think it will improve with time but never be as featured as Aperture
Not sure I can stomach the 100 euros a year (or whatever it is) for Lightroom and Photoshop and I do like the cloud aspects of the system, so I guess I'll be editing in DPP where necessary, followed by postprocessing in PS and then importing into photos. Just means I have to alter my workflow.
I don't like Lightroom, never have. Capture One looks good though so I might look at using that as a way to store and edit/prepare projects before sticking them in the photos app. To be honest, all I really need from the new app is an easy way to edit in an external editor.
I do think it will improve with time but never be as featured as Aperture
Not sure I can stomach the 100 euros a year (or whatever it is) for Lightroom and Photoshop and I do like the cloud aspects of the system, so I guess I'll be editing in DPP where necessary, followed by postprocessing in PS and then importing into photos. Just means I have to alter my workflow.
I don't like Lightroom, never have. Capture One looks good though so I might look at using that as a way to store and edit/prepare projects before sticking them in the photos app. To be honest, all I really need from the new app is an easy way to edit in an external editor.
I stopped using iPhoto several years ago because it was just so clumsy and replaced it with Google Picasa, though hasten to add that I don't sync anything to the cloud or whatever crap they are trying to flog. The images remain on my Mac.
Picasa offers basic editing facilities, along with various other effects, plus a useful option to export in smaller file sizes, which is handy for emailing or using the image on websites, but what I particularly like is the fact that once it has scanned your computer (Windows or Mac) it then displays thumbnails in a flat date order no matter whether the photos are buried in sub-folders of sub-folders, so all images on the computer are easy to find. Best bit is that you can rename the folders from within Picasa.
Link to Google Picasa is https://picasa.google.co.uk/
Picasa offers basic editing facilities, along with various other effects, plus a useful option to export in smaller file sizes, which is handy for emailing or using the image on websites, but what I particularly like is the fact that once it has scanned your computer (Windows or Mac) it then displays thumbnails in a flat date order no matter whether the photos are buried in sub-folders of sub-folders, so all images on the computer are easy to find. Best bit is that you can rename the folders from within Picasa.
Link to Google Picasa is https://picasa.google.co.uk/
Leithen said:
qube_TA said:
Maybe (as seems to be the current Apple way) they'll improve it over time to give back the functionality that was lost.
Have you tried Command-Option-S (from the above review)?Re Picassa, I have this thing about google products so firing up my PSE 11, the organiser is OK and fits seamlessly with the editor. Problem is I have to export all images then set it up. That means if Apple decide to put it back, too much hassle.
Adobe, what happened there? As I am not a serious user, I did not see that happening and I am not paying those prices. I see PSE 13 for sale still as a boxed version but the differences between that and 11 do not look worth the money.
Edit. And my processor seems to be getting a kicking running this as well.
jmorgan said:
Well, not able to set an external editor for certain it seems. RAW adjustments useless, if they are there. Time to move, this is pants. But lightroom seems to be on some sort of subscription? I have not been paying attention.
Oh well.
You can still buy Lughtroom as a standalone, perpetual license product. The license will be for two computers, and will cost around £100 or thereabouts.Oh well.
LIghtroom 6 is due to be released soon and will have some additional features such as HDR and panoramic stitching (according to rumor anyway!).
Alternatively there is Capture One Pro 8 available as a perpetual license too, although it is a lot more expensive than LR.
Personally I didn't want to pay a subscription so bought the perpetual license e for LR 5. Hope you get sorted.
steveatesh said:
You can still buy Lughtroom as a standalone, perpetual license product. The license will be for two computers, and will cost around £100 or thereabouts.
LIghtroom 6 is due to be released soon and will have some additional features such as HDR and panoramic stitching (according to rumor anyway!).
Alternatively there is Capture One Pro 8 available as a perpetual license too, although it is a lot more expensive than LR.
Personally I didn't want to pay a subscription so bought the perpetual license e for LR 5. Hope you get sorted.
Ah, missed that. Capture One looks interesting but pricy for me. LR5/6 it might well be then. I like PSE 11 but never really pushed the limits. Came across DxO for $129, though that was the essentials. $199 for the pro, organiser and editor in one. Been messing with that as well but not got the hang of it yet. Looks interesting.LIghtroom 6 is due to be released soon and will have some additional features such as HDR and panoramic stitching (according to rumor anyway!).
Alternatively there is Capture One Pro 8 available as a perpetual license too, although it is a lot more expensive than LR.
Personally I didn't want to pay a subscription so bought the perpetual license e for LR 5. Hope you get sorted.
What's wrong with continuing to use Aperture? That's what I intend to do. Just because it has been discontinued doesn't mean it's going to stop working. I intend to use it for at least another couple of years. At that point my MacBook Pro will be 5 years old and probably need replacing. I'll consider what to do then. At the moment I don't feel any need to change.
As for Photos for OSX I intend to go nowhere near it or have anything to do with it. Why would I want to copy everything over if it doesn't do half the things Aperture does?
I suppose Apple have decided to have just one general purpose app they give away with their computers (and try to flog you cloud storage at the same time). People who are more serious about photography can always look to Adobe / Capture One, etc. Maybe Aperture just couldn't compete commercially against Adobe and Apple decided to go another route to make money.
As for Photos for OSX I intend to go nowhere near it or have anything to do with it. Why would I want to copy everything over if it doesn't do half the things Aperture does?
I suppose Apple have decided to have just one general purpose app they give away with their computers (and try to flog you cloud storage at the same time). People who are more serious about photography can always look to Adobe / Capture One, etc. Maybe Aperture just couldn't compete commercially against Adobe and Apple decided to go another route to make money.
steveatesh said:
You can still buy Lughtroom as a standalone, perpetual license product. The license will be for two computers, and will cost around £100 or thereabouts.
LIghtroom 6 is due to be released soon and will have some additional features such as HDR and panoramic stitching (according to rumor anyway!).
Alternatively there is Capture One Pro 8 available as a perpetual license too, although it is a lot more expensive than LR.
Personally I didn't want to pay a subscription so bought the perpetual license e for LR 5. Hope you get sorted.
Yup. I've just bought Lightroom. £100.07 it cost for a perpetual license.LIghtroom 6 is due to be released soon and will have some additional features such as HDR and panoramic stitching (according to rumor anyway!).
Alternatively there is Capture One Pro 8 available as a perpetual license too, although it is a lot more expensive than LR.
Personally I didn't want to pay a subscription so bought the perpetual license e for LR 5. Hope you get sorted.
durbster said:
Leithen said:
Hm. That reads rather more like a press release than a review.She seems to like it overall, which of course if you don't agree, might be an issue....
I haven't tried it yet in anger and I'm unsure as to whether I want to go down the iCloud Library route either. So no conclusions for me yet.
I had a good play with it last night, especially now that iTunes and iOS are all updated on my various devices and I am starting to like it - as a collection, organisation and distribution tool for my private photos.
It is definitely insufficient for "proper" work and post processing etc as it lacks the features of Aperture, Lighroom, Capture One etc for RAW processing or Photoshop for post processing and retouching but hopefully an easy way to edit in an external editor will be reintroduced ASAP.
In the meantime, I think I will stick with Canon's DPP and related apps and/or stick with Aperture for any special projects, requests that I am doing.
It is definitely insufficient for "proper" work and post processing etc as it lacks the features of Aperture, Lighroom, Capture One etc for RAW processing or Photoshop for post processing and retouching but hopefully an easy way to edit in an external editor will be reintroduced ASAP.
In the meantime, I think I will stick with Canon's DPP and related apps and/or stick with Aperture for any special projects, requests that I am doing.
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