Blasphemy!: Revered driver's cars that you just don't get.
Discussion
What cars revered by motoring journalists and Petrolheads alike do you just not get the fuss about (disclaimer: I like most of these cars but just don't get the almost godly status that they have).
First, the cars that I do have some experience of. I looked long and hard for a replacement for my much loved 1.6 205 GTi after its demise and considered the following options, none of which quite hit the spot.
mk2 Golf GTi 8v
My other favourite hot hatch of the 80s. I managed to track down a very nice, low mileage big-bumper example with the BBS cross-spoke wheels and I have to say it looked absolutely spot on (still does IMHO). They still feel solid for a 25 year old car and certainly more comfortable and refined than a 205 but it just lacked the same feeling of speed and excitement. If I had to run a 25 year old car as a daily, one of these (along with an E30 318iS/325i Sport or Saab 900 Turbo 16v) would be a strong contender. They are very nice cars but a big disappointment in terms of fun.
Ford Puma 1.7
I thought these looked great when they first came out and I begged my mum to get one of these instead of the mk1 Ka that she bought. A former 309 GTi-driving mate also had one and thought it was great. I test drove a Thunder-edition and found it not that quick, uncomfortable, unrefined and a bit tinny. In fact, everything I disliked about 90s Fords really. I thought that I must be wrong and I subsequently drove my friend's Puma and felt exactly the same about his. Weird, because I really enjoyed driving my mum's Ka and a mk1 Focus 1.6 that I once had as a hire car.
Renault Clio Williams
To be fair I haven't driven one but I have driven plenty of cooking Clios of the same vintage and they were all crap. Not a bad-looking car for the time but a horrid driving position and a cardboard 90s Renault interior. What's so special about a original shape Clio with gold wheels? (I would much rather have a 306 Rallye but I couldn't find a decent one at the time and fancied a change from a Peugeot).
Renault Clio 182
These had just come out at the time of looking, so I test drove a new one. On paper, it sounded quite compelling. Very light, compact, pert looks and and an oversized engine in a small body. The reality: the driving position was a backwards step from the 205, it didn't feel as quick as I was expecting and didn't sound great either. I was pretty bored by it really. They're so cheap now though and I keep thinking that I should give one another chance.
In the end, I went for a Corrado VR6. Not as fun as the 205 but a big step up in terms of refinement and performance and the engine sounded glorious too. Loved the styling and the pop-up rear spoiler too!
Ford Escort RS Cosworth
I was born in 1980, so more of a Sierra Cosworth man really. The 3dr was just the daddy in the BTCC and then the Sapphire became the ultimate family car of the early 90s. The Escort should have done better in rallying and I have no issue with the looks but the competition (Subaru, Mitsubishi, Toyota) had moved the game on and the 90s mk5 Escort interior is just horrid. I don't really know if they deserve the high prices that they command now. I would much rather have a Delta Integrale Evolution for that money or an Impreza P1 for considerably less.
Moving on to perhaps my most controversial two choices.
Ferrari F40
I get the historical significance of the car. Ferraris 40th anniversary, Enzo's last car etc and it is better looking than the subsequent specials (F50, Enzo, LaFerrari etc) but not as quick and less exclusive. It may have been the first production car to crack 200mph but the contemporary Porsche 959 was almost as quick and far more useable and the Diablo, XJ220 and McLaren F1 came out not much later and were all quicker. I know it is in many a PHers top 5 cars but not mine. It's not the fastest or the best-looking Ferrari, the finish makes a kit car look good, it's too raw to enjoy on the road and too valuable to take on track. For the record, I wouldn't pass on the opportunity to drive an F40 but to own I would take the more exclusive and better-looking (albeit slower) 288 GTO.
Porsche Carrera GT
Well, it looks quite good (for a Porsche) and I'm sure the engine and (manual) gearbox are fantastic but it's far from the best-looking supercar and the handling is pretty knife-edge by all accounts. Also, perhaps unfairly, there's something in the back of my mind that says a Porsche can't be the ultimate dream car. Porsche is a "Championship" rather than a "Premier league" manufacturer and the nice thing about Porsches is that they are everday useable and not too expensive to run. The ultimate real-world dream car if you like. A role that a 911 or 928 fulfils much better.
What are your thoughts? What revered driver's cars just don't quite hit the spot with you?
First, the cars that I do have some experience of. I looked long and hard for a replacement for my much loved 1.6 205 GTi after its demise and considered the following options, none of which quite hit the spot.
mk2 Golf GTi 8v
My other favourite hot hatch of the 80s. I managed to track down a very nice, low mileage big-bumper example with the BBS cross-spoke wheels and I have to say it looked absolutely spot on (still does IMHO). They still feel solid for a 25 year old car and certainly more comfortable and refined than a 205 but it just lacked the same feeling of speed and excitement. If I had to run a 25 year old car as a daily, one of these (along with an E30 318iS/325i Sport or Saab 900 Turbo 16v) would be a strong contender. They are very nice cars but a big disappointment in terms of fun.
Ford Puma 1.7
I thought these looked great when they first came out and I begged my mum to get one of these instead of the mk1 Ka that she bought. A former 309 GTi-driving mate also had one and thought it was great. I test drove a Thunder-edition and found it not that quick, uncomfortable, unrefined and a bit tinny. In fact, everything I disliked about 90s Fords really. I thought that I must be wrong and I subsequently drove my friend's Puma and felt exactly the same about his. Weird, because I really enjoyed driving my mum's Ka and a mk1 Focus 1.6 that I once had as a hire car.
Renault Clio Williams
To be fair I haven't driven one but I have driven plenty of cooking Clios of the same vintage and they were all crap. Not a bad-looking car for the time but a horrid driving position and a cardboard 90s Renault interior. What's so special about a original shape Clio with gold wheels? (I would much rather have a 306 Rallye but I couldn't find a decent one at the time and fancied a change from a Peugeot).
Renault Clio 182
These had just come out at the time of looking, so I test drove a new one. On paper, it sounded quite compelling. Very light, compact, pert looks and and an oversized engine in a small body. The reality: the driving position was a backwards step from the 205, it didn't feel as quick as I was expecting and didn't sound great either. I was pretty bored by it really. They're so cheap now though and I keep thinking that I should give one another chance.
In the end, I went for a Corrado VR6. Not as fun as the 205 but a big step up in terms of refinement and performance and the engine sounded glorious too. Loved the styling and the pop-up rear spoiler too!
Ford Escort RS Cosworth
I was born in 1980, so more of a Sierra Cosworth man really. The 3dr was just the daddy in the BTCC and then the Sapphire became the ultimate family car of the early 90s. The Escort should have done better in rallying and I have no issue with the looks but the competition (Subaru, Mitsubishi, Toyota) had moved the game on and the 90s mk5 Escort interior is just horrid. I don't really know if they deserve the high prices that they command now. I would much rather have a Delta Integrale Evolution for that money or an Impreza P1 for considerably less.
Moving on to perhaps my most controversial two choices.
Ferrari F40
I get the historical significance of the car. Ferraris 40th anniversary, Enzo's last car etc and it is better looking than the subsequent specials (F50, Enzo, LaFerrari etc) but not as quick and less exclusive. It may have been the first production car to crack 200mph but the contemporary Porsche 959 was almost as quick and far more useable and the Diablo, XJ220 and McLaren F1 came out not much later and were all quicker. I know it is in many a PHers top 5 cars but not mine. It's not the fastest or the best-looking Ferrari, the finish makes a kit car look good, it's too raw to enjoy on the road and too valuable to take on track. For the record, I wouldn't pass on the opportunity to drive an F40 but to own I would take the more exclusive and better-looking (albeit slower) 288 GTO.
Porsche Carrera GT
Well, it looks quite good (for a Porsche) and I'm sure the engine and (manual) gearbox are fantastic but it's far from the best-looking supercar and the handling is pretty knife-edge by all accounts. Also, perhaps unfairly, there's something in the back of my mind that says a Porsche can't be the ultimate dream car. Porsche is a "Championship" rather than a "Premier league" manufacturer and the nice thing about Porsches is that they are everday useable and not too expensive to run. The ultimate real-world dream car if you like. A role that a 911 or 928 fulfils much better.
What are your thoughts? What revered driver's cars just don't quite hit the spot with you?
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Funnily enough I was thinking along these lines just this morning - I saw an Elise on the way to work which got me thinking that I'd probably be committing a cardinal sin by admitting that I just really, really don't like Lotuses (Loti?). I've no idea why either - on paper they should be right up my street and people rave about them but I'd never buy one in a month of Sundays. I shall now flagellate myself in penance.
911. Based on a few laps and about a day of road time, I just don't get it... I've had 2 Boxsters, would love a GT4 but just didn't seem to get the rear engine thing at all. And yet, based on all the hype, I might still buy one as I'm assuming you need time to adapt to it.
So driving a 911 was a 'never meet your heroes' moment. That said, the first day I drove one was also the first day I drove a Caterham which, if anything, exceeded some very hyped expectations.
So driving a 911 was a 'never meet your heroes' moment. That said, the first day I drove one was also the first day I drove a Caterham which, if anything, exceeded some very hyped expectations.
Supercars in general. Much improved in recent generations from the point of view of reliability and usability, however just an utter irrelevance. Agreed, that irrelevance is part of their charm and appeal to some, however they all become yesterdays news quicker than, er, yesterday's news, and there are barely a handful of more recent offerings that are anything more than "OK" from an aesthetic point of view.
As last nights Channel 4 "Million pound supercars" programmed proved, the people that seem to own, buy, and deal in them are largely utter utter c~@ts, who's purpose in life appears to be nothing more than accumulating increasing amounts of wealth, with increasingly vulgar ways of displaying it.
Also what I'd call the "cross over" Supercars ..... The most recent Aston and Jag GT3 type interpretations of their great looking, and perfectly capable sports GTs. Rip 'em to pieces, cover them in graphics and spoilers, and ruin the ride. Just because Porsche does something, doesn't mean others can, or should.
..... god, I'm sounding old and bitter today
As last nights Channel 4 "Million pound supercars" programmed proved, the people that seem to own, buy, and deal in them are largely utter utter c~@ts, who's purpose in life appears to be nothing more than accumulating increasing amounts of wealth, with increasingly vulgar ways of displaying it.
Also what I'd call the "cross over" Supercars ..... The most recent Aston and Jag GT3 type interpretations of their great looking, and perfectly capable sports GTs. Rip 'em to pieces, cover them in graphics and spoilers, and ruin the ride. Just because Porsche does something, doesn't mean others can, or should.
..... god, I'm sounding old and bitter today
I'm with you on the Golf...
The Mk1 1.6 GTI I had was pretty fast, but it ate gearboxes for breakfast, lunch and tea and the seats were horribly uncomortable. Handled OK for a FWD car, but torque steer was an issue...never again.
The Mk2 was *much* more comfortable...but it was nowhere near as fast or pointy as the Mk1, and the interior trim was appallingly put together. I've had 2...a 1.6 Driver and a 8V GTI...no more, though.
Biggest disappointments, though were the Triumph Dolomite Sprint...It was fast enough when it was running (not that often), but it was designed by a blind octupus with mobility problems. If it could break it did and if it could be harder to remove or fix a part, it would have to be locked inside The Bank Of England Vault and the keys thrown away. The driving position and ergonomics were appalling, too.
Lastly the Nissan 200sx S13...nice when it worked, but the gents at Nissan are smoking to much whaky baky when deciding on parts prices!! They also seem to have forgotten that foam directly in contact with metal is going to trap water and make the metal rust terminally! Mine was OK to drive, albeit hardly really fast or the last word in feel or handling, but it died prematurely when a piston ring failure was just too costly to fix when coupled with the terminally corroded rear tailgate (due to aforementioned foam spoiler!).
The Mk1 1.6 GTI I had was pretty fast, but it ate gearboxes for breakfast, lunch and tea and the seats were horribly uncomortable. Handled OK for a FWD car, but torque steer was an issue...never again.
The Mk2 was *much* more comfortable...but it was nowhere near as fast or pointy as the Mk1, and the interior trim was appallingly put together. I've had 2...a 1.6 Driver and a 8V GTI...no more, though.
Biggest disappointments, though were the Triumph Dolomite Sprint...It was fast enough when it was running (not that often), but it was designed by a blind octupus with mobility problems. If it could break it did and if it could be harder to remove or fix a part, it would have to be locked inside The Bank Of England Vault and the keys thrown away. The driving position and ergonomics were appalling, too.
Lastly the Nissan 200sx S13...nice when it worked, but the gents at Nissan are smoking to much whaky baky when deciding on parts prices!! They also seem to have forgotten that foam directly in contact with metal is going to trap water and make the metal rust terminally! Mine was OK to drive, albeit hardly really fast or the last word in feel or handling, but it died prematurely when a piston ring failure was just too costly to fix when coupled with the terminally corroded rear tailgate (due to aforementioned foam spoiler!).
M135i for me - and I know many will slate me for saying so.
Yes, it's very fast and very capable with a lovely engine, auto gearbox and high quality interior. But, having owned one for a year, I just didn't find it very exciting to drive. It did sound good (through the speakers and from outside of the car) and I did enjoy driving it but deep down, it didn't give the feel good factor I had hoped for.
Yes, it's very fast and very capable with a lovely engine, auto gearbox and high quality interior. But, having owned one for a year, I just didn't find it very exciting to drive. It did sound good (through the speakers and from outside of the car) and I did enjoy driving it but deep down, it didn't give the feel good factor I had hoped for.
white_goodman said:
What cars revered by motoring journalists and Petrolheads alike do you just not get the fuss about (disclaimer: I like most of these cars but just don't get the almost godly status that they have).
First, the cars that I do have some experience of. I looked long and hard for a replacement for my much loved 1.6 205 GTi after its demise and considered the following options, none of which quite hit the spot.
mk2 Golf GTi 8v
My other favourite hot hatch of the 80s. I managed to track down a very nice, low mileage big-bumper example with the BBS cross-spoke wheels and I have to say it looked absolutely spot on (still does IMHO). They still feel solid for a 25 year old car and certainly more comfortable and refined than a 205 but it just lacked the same feeling of speed and excitement. If I had to run a 25 year old car as a daily, one of these (along with an E30 318iS/325i Sport or Saab 900 Turbo 16v) would be a strong contender. They are very nice cars but a big disappointment in terms of fun.
Ford Puma 1.7
I thought these looked great when they first came out and I begged my mum to get one of these instead of the mk1 Ka that she bought. A former 309 GTi-driving mate also had one and thought it was great. I test drove a Thunder-edition and found it not that quick, uncomfortable, unrefined and a bit tinny. In fact, everything I disliked about 90s Fords really. I thought that I must be wrong and I subsequently drove my friend's Puma and felt exactly the same about his. Weird, because I really enjoyed driving my mum's Ka and a mk1 Focus 1.6 that I once had as a hire car.
this people rave about them my brother had one and loved it, but when I drove it I just couldn't get it unless his was rubbish
Renault Clio Williams
To be fair I haven't driven one but I have driven plenty of cooking Clios of the same vintage and they were all crap. Not a bad-looking car for the time but a horrid driving position and a cardboard 90s Renault interior. What's so special about a original shape Clio with gold wheels? (I would much rather have a 306 Rallye but I couldn't find a decent one at the time and fancied a change from a Peugeot).
Renault Clio 182
These had just come out at the time of looking, so I test drove a new one. On paper, it sounded quite compelling. Very light, compact, pert looks and and an oversized engine in a small body. The reality: the driving position was a backwards step from the 205, it didn't feel as quick as I was expecting and didn't sound great either. I was pretty bored by it really. They're so cheap now though and I keep thinking that I should give one another chance.
In the end, I went for a Corrado VR6. Not as fun as the 205 but a big step up in terms of refinement and performance and the engine sounded glorious too. Loved the styling and the pop-up rear spoiler too!
Ford Escort RS Cosworth
I was born in 1980, so more of a Sierra Cosworth man really. The 3dr was just the daddy in the BTCC and then the Sapphire became the ultimate family car of the early 90s. The Escort should have done better in rallying and I have no issue with the looks but the competition (Subaru, Mitsubishi, Toyota) had moved the game on and the 90s mk5 Escort interior is just horrid. I don't really know if they deserve the high prices that they command now. I would much rather have a Delta Integrale Evolution for that money or an Impreza P1 for considerably less.
Moving on to perhaps my most controversial two choices.
Ferrari F40
I get the historical significance of the car. Ferraris 40th anniversary, Enzo's last car etc and it is better looking than the subsequent specials (F50, Enzo, LaFerrari etc) but not as quick and less exclusive. It may have been the first production car to crack 200mph but the contemporary Porsche 959 was almost as quick and far more useable and the Diablo, XJ220 and McLaren F1 came out not much later and were all quicker. I know it is in many a PHers top 5 cars but not mine. It's not the fastest or the best-looking Ferrari, the finish makes a kit car look good, it's too raw to enjoy on the road and too valuable to take on track. For the record, I wouldn't pass on the opportunity to drive an F40 but to own I would take the more exclusive and better-looking (albeit slower) 288 GTO.
Porsche Carrera GT
Well, it looks quite good (for a Porsche) and I'm sure the engine and (manual) gearbox are fantastic but it's far from the best-looking supercar and the handling is pretty knife-edge by all accounts. Also, perhaps unfairly, there's something in the back of my mind that says a Porsche can't be the ultimate dream car. Porsche is a "Championship" rather than a "Premier league" manufacturer and the nice thing about Porsches is that they are everday useable and not too expensive to run. The ultimate real-world dream car if you like. A role that a 911 or 928 fulfils much better.
What are your thoughts? What revered driver's cars just don't quite hit the spot with you?
the puma everyone raves about them including my brother, but when I drove his I just didn't get it First, the cars that I do have some experience of. I looked long and hard for a replacement for my much loved 1.6 205 GTi after its demise and considered the following options, none of which quite hit the spot.
mk2 Golf GTi 8v
My other favourite hot hatch of the 80s. I managed to track down a very nice, low mileage big-bumper example with the BBS cross-spoke wheels and I have to say it looked absolutely spot on (still does IMHO). They still feel solid for a 25 year old car and certainly more comfortable and refined than a 205 but it just lacked the same feeling of speed and excitement. If I had to run a 25 year old car as a daily, one of these (along with an E30 318iS/325i Sport or Saab 900 Turbo 16v) would be a strong contender. They are very nice cars but a big disappointment in terms of fun.
Ford Puma 1.7
I thought these looked great when they first came out and I begged my mum to get one of these instead of the mk1 Ka that she bought. A former 309 GTi-driving mate also had one and thought it was great. I test drove a Thunder-edition and found it not that quick, uncomfortable, unrefined and a bit tinny. In fact, everything I disliked about 90s Fords really. I thought that I must be wrong and I subsequently drove my friend's Puma and felt exactly the same about his. Weird, because I really enjoyed driving my mum's Ka and a mk1 Focus 1.6 that I once had as a hire car.
this people rave about them my brother had one and loved it, but when I drove it I just couldn't get it unless his was rubbish
Renault Clio Williams
To be fair I haven't driven one but I have driven plenty of cooking Clios of the same vintage and they were all crap. Not a bad-looking car for the time but a horrid driving position and a cardboard 90s Renault interior. What's so special about a original shape Clio with gold wheels? (I would much rather have a 306 Rallye but I couldn't find a decent one at the time and fancied a change from a Peugeot).
Renault Clio 182
These had just come out at the time of looking, so I test drove a new one. On paper, it sounded quite compelling. Very light, compact, pert looks and and an oversized engine in a small body. The reality: the driving position was a backwards step from the 205, it didn't feel as quick as I was expecting and didn't sound great either. I was pretty bored by it really. They're so cheap now though and I keep thinking that I should give one another chance.
In the end, I went for a Corrado VR6. Not as fun as the 205 but a big step up in terms of refinement and performance and the engine sounded glorious too. Loved the styling and the pop-up rear spoiler too!
Ford Escort RS Cosworth
I was born in 1980, so more of a Sierra Cosworth man really. The 3dr was just the daddy in the BTCC and then the Sapphire became the ultimate family car of the early 90s. The Escort should have done better in rallying and I have no issue with the looks but the competition (Subaru, Mitsubishi, Toyota) had moved the game on and the 90s mk5 Escort interior is just horrid. I don't really know if they deserve the high prices that they command now. I would much rather have a Delta Integrale Evolution for that money or an Impreza P1 for considerably less.
Moving on to perhaps my most controversial two choices.
Ferrari F40
I get the historical significance of the car. Ferraris 40th anniversary, Enzo's last car etc and it is better looking than the subsequent specials (F50, Enzo, LaFerrari etc) but not as quick and less exclusive. It may have been the first production car to crack 200mph but the contemporary Porsche 959 was almost as quick and far more useable and the Diablo, XJ220 and McLaren F1 came out not much later and were all quicker. I know it is in many a PHers top 5 cars but not mine. It's not the fastest or the best-looking Ferrari, the finish makes a kit car look good, it's too raw to enjoy on the road and too valuable to take on track. For the record, I wouldn't pass on the opportunity to drive an F40 but to own I would take the more exclusive and better-looking (albeit slower) 288 GTO.
Porsche Carrera GT
Well, it looks quite good (for a Porsche) and I'm sure the engine and (manual) gearbox are fantastic but it's far from the best-looking supercar and the handling is pretty knife-edge by all accounts. Also, perhaps unfairly, there's something in the back of my mind that says a Porsche can't be the ultimate dream car. Porsche is a "Championship" rather than a "Premier league" manufacturer and the nice thing about Porsches is that they are everday useable and not too expensive to run. The ultimate real-world dream car if you like. A role that a 911 or 928 fulfils much better.
What are your thoughts? What revered driver's cars just don't quite hit the spot with you?
Edited by mr TICKHILL on Thursday 9th April 17:48
gl20 said:
911. Based on a few laps and about a day of road time, I just don't get it... I've had 2 Boxsters, would love a GT4 but just didn't seem to get the rear engine thing at all. And yet, based on all the hype, I might still buy one as I'm assuming you need time to adapt to it.
So driving a 911 was a 'never meet your heroes' moment. That said, the first day I drove one was also the first day I drove a Caterham which, if anything, exceeded some very hyped expectations.
Sounds like a PalmerSport day! I hated their 911s and loved the Caterhams.So driving a 911 was a 'never meet your heroes' moment. That said, the first day I drove one was also the first day I drove a Caterham which, if anything, exceeded some very hyped expectations.
white_goodman said:
Ferrari F40
I get the historical significance of the car. Ferraris 40th anniversary, Enzo's last car etc and it is better looking than the subsequent specials (F50, Enzo, LaFerrari etc) but not as quick and less exclusive. It may have been the first production car to crack 200mph but the contemporary Porsche 959 was almost as quick and far more useable and the Diablo, XJ220 and McLaren F1 came out not much later and were all quicker. I know it is in many a PHers top 5 cars but not mine. It's not the fastest or the best-looking Ferrari, the finish makes a kit car look good, it's too raw to enjoy on the road and too valuable to take on track. For the record, I wouldn't pass on the opportunity to drive an F40 but to own I would take the more exclusive and better-looking (albeit slower) 288 GTO.
What are your thoughts? What revered driver's cars just don't quite hit the spot with you?
You're wrong. Having been lucky enough to have had a passenger ride in an F40 they are beyond immense. I'm sure that there are faster cars or better real-world cars, but an F40 has such a sense of occasion. Not to mention the brutality of the thing. Long before turbochargers were made mundane. This is the very essence of Ferrari and, for me, will never be beaten.I get the historical significance of the car. Ferraris 40th anniversary, Enzo's last car etc and it is better looking than the subsequent specials (F50, Enzo, LaFerrari etc) but not as quick and less exclusive. It may have been the first production car to crack 200mph but the contemporary Porsche 959 was almost as quick and far more useable and the Diablo, XJ220 and McLaren F1 came out not much later and were all quicker. I know it is in many a PHers top 5 cars but not mine. It's not the fastest or the best-looking Ferrari, the finish makes a kit car look good, it's too raw to enjoy on the road and too valuable to take on track. For the record, I wouldn't pass on the opportunity to drive an F40 but to own I would take the more exclusive and better-looking (albeit slower) 288 GTO.
What are your thoughts? What revered driver's cars just don't quite hit the spot with you?
gl20 said:
911. Based on a few laps and about a day of road time, I just don't get it... I've had 2 Boxsters, would love a GT4 but just didn't seem to get the rear engine thing at all. And yet, based on all the hype, I might still buy one as I'm assuming you need time to adapt to it.
So driving a 911 was a 'never meet your heroes' moment. That said, the first day I drove one was also the first day I drove a Caterham which, if anything, exceeded some very hyped expectations.
Depends on the 911. The 996 C4S I had could have ben any fast 90's German car. The air-cooled stuff has a charm all of its own. You learn to let it do the work. When you hook up a set of bends perfectly in a 911 and work with it as opposed to against the layout it is such a thing of joy.So driving a 911 was a 'never meet your heroes' moment. That said, the first day I drove one was also the first day I drove a Caterham which, if anything, exceeded some very hyped expectations.
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