The Official Manchester United Thread [Vol 5]
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It might be a good thing that he's finally got to stop hiding behind 10 men behind the ball and sneaking a goal. We have to win the last game, and have to show a positive forward looking mentality.
We looked tired at the end, either physically or mentally because we'd run out of ideas. Leicester will be interesting as they are full of energy. Could be a s
t week.
We looked tired at the end, either physically or mentally because we'd run out of ideas. Leicester will be interesting as they are full of energy. Could be a s
t week. Very poor game. Especially having seen tuesdays Barca game.
By the way strange shirt that PSV wore:
http://mancitygifts.com/50-shades-of-blue/
By the way strange shirt that PSV wore:
http://mancitygifts.com/50-shades-of-blue/
Cie said:
Even if we do qualify we'll be humiliated by the first good team we play against.
The gap between Barca, Bayern, Real and the rest is quite large.57Ford said:
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Mate, I really don't think the ko stages will be an issue (unless our current manager falls ill and takes a bit of a break until after the Wolfsburg game).
I am so pissed off with this style. This squad have it in them to do far, far better with the right instruction and freedom of expression. Keep the strict discipline for defensive areas but let the team play.
At what point does this 'process' yield results? Cos if it's a cup we're expecting, I think we can forget it this season.
Play what ?? I think your having too much faith in the current squad. This squad partly lacks quality or the age/experience needed. As in Eindhoven, PSV were well organized at the back, but this time seemed totally inept attacking wise, especially in the final pass; if they countered a little better ManU could've lost this game. Mate, I really don't think the ko stages will be an issue (unless our current manager falls ill and takes a bit of a break until after the Wolfsburg game).
I am so pissed off with this style. This squad have it in them to do far, far better with the right instruction and freedom of expression. Keep the strict discipline for defensive areas but let the team play.
At what point does this 'process' yield results? Cos if it's a cup we're expecting, I think we can forget it this season.
Speaking of strict and discipline. Have you seen Barca and Bayern play ?? Same patterns over and over again throughout the whole game.
I'm not suggesting we could be anywhere near as good as your apparently revered Bayern & Barce and I completely agree there's a huge gulf but I'm fairly sure if the tactics & system demanded of our granted young but nonetheless talented flair players was less alien & confusing we'd see that gap narrowed substantially.
And if that's not true, then van Gaal's failed by buying ste with the mega bucks spent so far. Either way, he needs to get his act together in my blinkered fan's-eye view.
As I think I mentioned, I'm a little upset at how far this particular mighty has fallen and how low we still appear to be. Sorry if it comes across as negative but it's hard to take a performance like that when you understand the meaning of ''the United way' of playing the game. It's a real thing for thousands of us and while a new manager will bring his own minor traits to the team, it's bks to suggest the whole club ethos should be shaped around his personal style unless he's earned that right over a 20+ year period with the club.
And if that's not true, then van Gaal's failed by buying s
te with the mega bucks spent so far. Either way, he needs to get his act together in my blinkered fan's-eye view. As I think I mentioned, I'm a little upset at how far this particular mighty has fallen and how low we still appear to be. Sorry if it comes across as negative but it's hard to take a performance like that when you understand the meaning of ''the United way' of playing the game. It's a real thing for thousands of us and while a new manager will bring his own minor traits to the team, it's b
ks to suggest the whole club ethos should be shaped around his personal style unless he's earned that right over a 20+ year period with the club.That was woeful last night.still if we could finish could have won by 3 ,but when swine went off we disintegrated .
As has been said,team looked shattered .
Above everything else though ,you look at the squad and who is going to score goals ? Who in the squad will make double figures this season ?
As has been said,team looked shattered .
Above everything else though ,you look at the squad and who is going to score goals ? Who in the squad will make double figures this season ?
franki68 said:
That was woeful last night.still if we could finish could have won by 3 ,but when swine went off we disintegrated .
As has been said,team looked shattered .
Above everything else though ,you look at the squad and who is going to score goals ? Who in the squad will make double figures this season ?
Martial, Rooney, Jess, Memphis are all capable of scoring double figures, but the style of play is not one which relies on scoring lots of goals. One will do in most games. That's what's got to change. As has been said,team looked shattered .
Above everything else though ,you look at the squad and who is going to score goals ? Who in the squad will make double figures this season ?
The second half was shocking. Bringing on Fellaini and Young made me want to cry.
However, we should have won the game in the first half. If we had taken our chances, the pundits would be lauding a 2-0 or 3-0 will. PSV parked the bus.
Still, it was dreadful in the second half. I don't know how much blame rests with LvG and how much with the players for just being crap. Lingard was our only decent attacker (again) - Rooney was awful, Memphis was worse, and Martial missed his chances.
However, we should have won the game in the first half. If we had taken our chances, the pundits would be lauding a 2-0 or 3-0 will. PSV parked the bus.
Still, it was dreadful in the second half. I don't know how much blame rests with LvG and how much with the players for just being crap. Lingard was our only decent attacker (again) - Rooney was awful, Memphis was worse, and Martial missed his chances.
Oh my fking God....i'm getting sick of this st. 
I'm honestly lost for words at how bad we were especially in the second half last night. There appears a complete lack of desire to win. I think it's in there but the players (and coaching staff) are doing a fking great job of hiding it.
1/10.
king God....i'm getting sick of this st. I'm honestly lost for words at how bad we were especially in the second half last night. There appears a complete lack of desire to win. I think it's in there but the players (and coaching staff) are doing a f
king great job of hiding it. 1/10.
Challo said:
So what happen's if beat Leicester at the weekend and go top of the league?
Will everyone be still on LvG's back?
It's very difficult, the results in the league are coming and I have been a supporter of LvG (against a growing tide it would seem)Will everyone be still on LvG's back?
I like him and I like the results (Europe notwithstanding) the thing is I have never been so utterly disinterested/unexcited at watching our games. I just hope it gets better.
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I am pinning my hopes on him being able to get the front 3/4 playing as well as the defence/midfieldWe seem to have short memories IMO. 2/3 years ago after Scholesy retired our midfield was non-existent & last year the defence was about as solid as wet tissue paper. It was said awhile ago that LVG builds his teams from the back & I'm that's what seems to be going on here. We are also going to sign some more players in the Summer, maybe in Jan even & we'll see what that brings. Jobs not done yet.
On a positive note I thought Rooney was better last night, but OTOH his lack of pace is definitely beginning to show.
Wombat3 said:
I am pinning my hopes on him being able to get the front 3/4 playing as well as the defence/midfield
We seem to have short memories IMO. 2/3 years ago after Scholesy retired our midfield was non-existent & last year the defence was about as solid as wet tissue paper. It was said awhile ago that LVG builds his teams from the back & I'm that's what seems to be going on here. We are also going to sign some more players in the Summer, maybe in Jan even & we'll see what that brings. Jobs not done yet.
Agree with all that (barring the Rooney bit, I love Wazza but we need to start treating him like Giggs/Scholes when they came towards the end, break em out when needed and they can do 60 mins of full energy then rest em for a week)We seem to have short memories IMO. 2/3 years ago after Scholesy retired our midfield was non-existent & last year the defence was about as solid as wet tissue paper. It was said awhile ago that LVG builds his teams from the back & I'm that's what seems to be going on here. We are also going to sign some more players in the Summer, maybe in Jan even & we'll see what that brings. Jobs not done yet.
anonymous said:
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I agree. I think people seem to forget what an overhaul LvG has had to do with the squad and the changes that have been made. To do that and play exciting football was never going to happen. Hopefully with a couple more addtions in Jan and the Summer then we will be getting back to playing some decent stuff. All great teams are built on solid platforms and I think now we have that platform to move forward from.
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Giggs aside, the comparison stands. You have to remember Rooney started playing at 16 whereas Scholes/Beckham etc all came through at around 22/23. He has 5 years of playing on them at a similar age. Even Giggs was very carefully managed at 17/18 and arguably could be a comparison too.He's always spoken of a 3 year project.
Year 1 - consolidate buy a few players, commence philosophy
Year 2 - invest big, improve defence/midfield, sacrifice entertaining football to allow for philosophy
Year 3 - invest big, return entertaining attacking football to the fans and smash all opponents.
:fingerscrossed:
Year 1 - consolidate buy a few players, commence philosophy
Year 2 - invest big, improve defence/midfield, sacrifice entertaining football to allow for philosophy
Year 3 - invest big, return entertaining attacking football to the fans and smash all opponents.
:fingerscrossed:
It's relatively easy to be solid at the back if the team has a defensive mindset. The test of whether we really are solid at the back comes a) against better teams and b) when we strart to venture up the field a bit more, which inevitably creates gaps in the midfield exposing the back.
We have definitely improved at the back and in midfield, but at the moment it's at the cost of goals. The art is to create the right balance.
I'm not sure that many fans are anti LVG per se, they are anti the conservative controlling style of football.
We have definitely improved at the back and in midfield, but at the moment it's at the cost of goals. The art is to create the right balance.
I'm not sure that many fans are anti LVG per se, they are anti the conservative controlling style of football.
Alpinestars said:
I'm not sure that many fans are anti LVG per se, they are anti the conservative controlling style of football.
Yep, I agree (when I'm not so disappointed that I get all ranty, sorry)It is about balance though and I fully appreciate he's done great work with the defence so far but as already said, they do have another 4 or 5 men assisting most of the time.
A clear strategy it seems that LVG is instilling in the players is to take the ball whilst standing still.
On almost every occasion, the pass to a receiving player is not only sideways, but when the player lacks movement.
The Tiki tapi one touch type of football is all very well, keeping possession too, but the players themselves need to make the burst to take the ball in space with room to run into.
The BIG cross field balls from Bastian and co are great to watch, but seem to be the only way we are going forward.
We have lost that ability to turn defenders, getting round the back (As John Barnes used to sing)
I don't believe that we are too far from that breakthrough though..
Many of the pundits who watched the new players in their previous clubs are amazed that the players seem to have gone backwards in their development and impact. DI Maria and Memphis being prime examples.
Where do we go from here..?
On almost every occasion, the pass to a receiving player is not only sideways, but when the player lacks movement.
The Tiki tapi one touch type of football is all very well, keeping possession too, but the players themselves need to make the burst to take the ball in space with room to run into.
The BIG cross field balls from Bastian and co are great to watch, but seem to be the only way we are going forward.
We have lost that ability to turn defenders, getting round the back (As John Barnes used to sing)
I don't believe that we are too far from that breakthrough though..
Many of the pundits who watched the new players in their previous clubs are amazed that the players seem to have gone backwards in their development and impact. DI Maria and Memphis being prime examples.
Where do we go from here..?
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