One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 3

One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 3

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alpha channel

1,386 posts

161 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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WD39 said:
Sorry, not worthy of any reply.
...and yet you replied... I'll tell you what, you ignore my post and I'll ignore your post. I don't know what I did to get a bee into your bonnet but live and let live and go our separate ways yes?

Edited by alpha channel on Monday 12th October 20:46

ORD

18,086 posts

126 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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alpha channel said:
WD39 said:
Sorry, not worthy of any reply.
...and yet you replied... I'll tell you what, you ignore my post and I'll ignore your post. I don't know what I did to get a bee into your bonnet but live and let live and go our separate ways yes?

Edited by alpha channel on Monday 12th October 20:46
Get a room before we all get semis.

Blown2CV

28,697 posts

202 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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ORD said:
alpha channel said:
WD39 said:
Sorry, not worthy of any reply.
...and yet you replied... I'll tell you what, you ignore my post and I'll ignore your post. I don't know what I did to get a bee into your bonnet but live and let live and go our separate ways yes?

Edited by alpha channel on Monday 12th October 20:46
Get a room before we all get semis.
too late

Zod

35,295 posts

257 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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Haven't looked at this for ages. It didn't start off as a dull "bad driver spotted" thread.

Iva Barchetta

44,044 posts

162 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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All the very important people who used the hard shoulder to avoid the jam at M25 J14 yesterday morning.

Hopefully CCTV will have caught you all.

AlexRS2782

8,023 posts

212 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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The frumpy slag peroxide blonde driver of black Range Rover APA 1T that lived up to nearly every stereotype late this afternoon:

Tailgating - check.
No indication - check.
Using mobile / tablet whilst driving - check.

Then after getting stuck in slow moving traffic, due to the M3 being closed and traffic moving onto the nearby A roads:

On the A30 Camberley, on the dual carriageway section, forcefully barging / swapping lanes in a failed attempt to go nowhere faster in the queue we were all stuck in - check.
Attempting to partially mount the pavement in an attempt to jump the queue but then realising there was still nowhere to go - check.
Nearly sideswiping an APC delivery van when they wanted to move back into the right hand lane that they'd just moved out of - check.
Repeatedly coming within touching distance of rear ending / bumper tapping the car in front of them whenever traffic moved / stopped and again when they came to a halt at a red traffic light - check.
Finally pulling an illegal u turn at the same set of traffic lights and nearly wiping out a mother & her daughter that were crossing the road - check.

Moron of the highest order.

Edited by AlexRS2782 on Monday 12th October 22:33

Janesy B

2,625 posts

185 months

Monday 12th October 2015
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AlexRS2782 said:
The frumpy slag peroxide blonde driver of black Range Rover APA 1T that lived up to nearly every stereotype late this afternoon:

Tailgating - check.
No indication - check.
Using mobile / tablet whilst driving - check.

Then after getting stuck in slow moving traffic, due to the M3 being closed and traffic moving into the nearly A roads:

On the A30 Camberley, on the dual carriageway section, forcefully barging / swapping lanes in a failed attempt to go nowhere faster in the queue we were all stuck in - check.
Attempting to partially mount the pavement in an attempt to jump the queue but then realising there was still nowhere to go - check.
Nearly sideswiping an APC delivery van when they wanted to move back into the right hand lane that they'd just moved out of - check.
Repeatedly coming within touching distance of rear ending / bumper tapping the car in front of them whenever traffic moved / stopped and again when they came to a halt at a red traffic light - check.
Finally pulling an illegal u turn at the same set of traffic lights and nearly wiping out a mother & her daughter that were crossing the road - check.

Moron of the highest order.

Edited by AlexRS2782 on Monday 12th October 22:08
Why can't people like this just die? There's millions of them so it would solve many problems.

I've seen a sharp increase of totally inconsiderate and deliberately aggressive driving over the past few years.

DMN

2,983 posts

138 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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Me last night. Took a junction off of the A64 a little too fast and the car understeared and then gripped and over-steared me into the kerb. Bang. One lump taken out of an alloy. Bugger. Knob.

l354uge

2,892 posts

120 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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Nurses on Facebook.
Constantly sharing posts moaning about how hard they work and how they're angels with no pay.
We get it! Being a nurse is a tiring and noble career but just shut the fudge up or get another job!

One nurse I know works 4 days a week, drinks 3 times a week and still shares all these posts, after finishing her free degree!

ORD

18,086 posts

126 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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l354uge said:
Nurses on Facebook.
Constantly sharing posts moaning about how hard they work and how they're angels with no pay.
We get it! Being a nurse is a tiring and noble career but just shut the fudge up or get another job!

One nurse I know works 4 days a week, drinks 3 times a week and still shares all these posts, after finishing her free degree!
My personal experience of the NHS is that the doctors are f*cking saints and work hard; by contrast, the nurses hang out in comfy little side rooms, chat to each other and are very grumpy when asked to lift a finger.

MarkRSi

5,782 posts

217 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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All that jazz said:
Wait.. what?! rofl Is this guy for real? rofl OMG this site has sunk to a new low.
DrTre said:
That is an award winning tortuous twisting of logic. Absolutely brilliant.
TBH it's seems to the the norm for PH these days frown I was quite surprised no-one had a go at ORD when he mentioned about cars pulling out in front of him from queues, accusing him of not anticipating/mind-reading/not using the force/going too fast/should have thrown his car off the road onto a bus-stop full of children etc. etc.


fire3500

71 posts

126 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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DMN said:
Obvious Troll is obvious.
So why am I a troll? I said I didn't expect to be agreed with and I wasn't being provocative... I think that a bit more humility while driving would serve us all well, and I try to apply that to my own driving as well.

If someone (whether bike or car) is driving in a weird way then this can be mitigated by firstly driving yourself in a mindful way and anticipating hazards (if I am coming up to a roundabout in the outside lane and a bike is to the left of me then I register this as a hazard and make sure that I'm aware of what they're up to and leaving enough leeway for them to do something stupid at the last minute. I also try to drive defensively at roundabouts to accommodate the person entering the roundabout at high speed from my right without looking, this includes slowing down and preparing to give way at the last minute.

So @ DMN... how is this trolling? You're as entitled to your opinion as I am, but there's no need to be rude about it.

fire3500

71 posts

126 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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MarkRSi said:
TBH it's seems to the the norm for PH these days frown I was quite surprised no-one had a go at ORD when he mentioned about cars pulling out in front of him from queues, accusing him of not anticipating/mind-reading/not using the force/going too fast/should have thrown his car off the road onto a bus-stop full of children etc. etc.
Again, what's wrong with deconstructing the situation and pointing out that the car driver could have mitigated the situation by driving mindfully?

None of us, as drivers, are psychic... if we're a little more aware of what's going on around us and anticipating problems before they happen then there'd be fewer accidents, and fewer hysterical Daily Mail readers clamouring for ever more speed cameras and punitive fines, and eroding the freedoms of motoring.

I know it might be a bit boring to suggest that "accidents don't just happen" but as both a car driver and a bike rider I see so many examples of people technically following the rules but driving mindlessly...

I would argue that with good observation there are very few randoms that can surprise a driver, the person pulling out last minute might well have been on their phone, tuning the radio, doing their hair etc. before realising at the last minute that they're in the wrong lane, the biker might have been coming along quickly trying to undertake... and if you're watching other motorists with deep suspicion the whole time then you see them, off in their own worlds or chancing their arm, and you have an opportunity to decide how to handle that.

fire3500

71 posts

126 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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OpulentBob said:
Knob.

Based on his description I'd say he was entirely justified in calling the biker a throbber. Sounds 100 percent believable to me. But then I too am a "cager".
Knob how? By suggesting that the OP had any kind of opportunity to mitigate the situation and manage it by using observation and anticipation? Then I must be an utter knob, driving around concentrating on what I'm doing and what's going on around me... what a cockwomble I must be.

"Cager" is a hilarious term, most "bikers" are also car drivers... you can normally tell a biker who's going to be a nightmare to ride with, as he (and it's seldom a woman) refers to car-drivers as "cagers". All it does is make car drivers belligerent towards bike riders, and vice-versa. Surely we just all want to get out there, have fun and get home safely or complete our commute without any hassle? So why be dicks to each other? That just *proves* that drivers of all flavour can't self-regulate and need lots of cameras and rules in order to "be safe".

The levels of aggression on this forum are a bit disturbing... is it usual that if someone posts something other than nodding agreement then they're called names and their contributions denigrated? Perhaps this explains a lot of what we see on the road?

All I said was that the OP could have some accountability, and the bike rider could have some accountability too. A little humility on both parts and some mindfulness could have avoided a potentially nasty accident. When I learned to drive / ride we called it "defensive driving / riding" and being able to apply it effectively meant that risks were evaluated before acting and that fewer actions were based on little more than hope.

But then, I *am* a knob...

fire3500

71 posts

126 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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Cliftonite said:
Stupid motorcyclist using wrong lane cuts up motorist driving by the book and it is the car driver's fault!

Only on PH!
OK, point to where in the "book" it say that:

"I wasn't expecting anyone to do that, saw him coming in my side mirror but assumed he was going left."

is "driving by the book"?

Also:

"Me approaching roundabout in RH lane, looking right and continuing as traffic is clear. "

Does that correspond to "the book" too?

I didn't say it was the car driver's fault, but I said he had some responsibility as clearly he was surprised by the actions of someone around him and having followed section 184 of "the book" (if we understand you're referring to The Highway Code) where it clearly is written "Remain aware of the speed and position of the traffic around you" he made the mistake of *assuming* wrongly that he knew where the bike was going, even though the bike must have been going quickly enough to have been seen in the OP's side mirror and then undertake him and cut him up. I never said that the bike rider was blameless as that was clearly a dick-move, but I also think that the car driver / OP could have seen the bike approaching quickly and thought "aye, what's going on with this" and kept a bit back in hand. I'm not making this up, the OP admitted it himself that he made a guess / assumption and was wrong about it.

My comment was not"

"Stupid motorcyclist using wrong lane cuts up motorist driving by the book and it is the car driver's fault!"

More like:

"Stupid motorcyclist using wrong lane cuts up car driver and shares fault for a near-miss with complacent driver"

Hol

8,359 posts

199 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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3500:
Upon re-reading the original account, I don't believe the biker was riding in a clearly weird way, UNTIL he decided to go straight ahead of a LEFT ONLY turn and straight line the roundabout just in front of the poster.

So there was not really any advance notice of said weirdness.












fire3500

71 posts

126 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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Hol said:
3500:
Upon re-reading the original account, I don't believe the biker was riding in a clearly weird way, UNTIL he decided to go straight ahead of a LEFT ONLY turn and straight line the roundabout just in front of the poster.

So there was not really any advance notice of said weirdness.

Other than the bike approaching quickly up the inside?



Hol

8,359 posts

199 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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fire3500 said:
Hol said:
3500:
Upon re-reading the original account, I don't believe the biker was riding in a clearly weird way, UNTIL he decided to go straight ahead of a LEFT ONLY turn and straight line the roundabout just in front of the poster.

So there was not really any advance notice of said weirdness.
Other than the bike approaching quickly up the inside?
Yes he was - In a left turn only lane that would typically mean 99.99% of the time that he is turning left. In his left hand, left turn only road.

No matter how much road going responsibility you decide to remove from the biker and lay on the motorist, the motorist acted correctly and the biker did not.









Edited by Hol on Tuesday 13th October 16:36

fire3500

71 posts

126 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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Hol said:
Yes he was - In a left turn only lane that would typically mean 99.99% of the time that he is turning left. In his left hand, left turn only road.

No matter how much road going responsibility you decide to remove from the biker and lay on the motorist, the motorist acted correctly and the biker did not.









Edited by Hol on Tuesday 13th October 16:36
Whoa there, young lady...

Where did I remove any responsibility from the biker? I simply said that the car driver could have done more to anticipate it. If *assuming* (wrongly) what the bike would do is great driving then I stand corrected...

I think I actually described what the bike rider did as a "dick move". Had the two collided the rider of the bike would almost certainly have come off worse, and the failure to ride defensively would have been the cause, with the lack of observation of the driver being a contributory factor.

The thing at the root of this that irks me is that as dickish as the biker was being, the driver of the car gave enough evidence of his own imperfection to make me speak up. I never said the bike was not in the wrong.

IanH755

1,849 posts

119 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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I saw a prime example of an aggressive moron causing a massive issue "just because" this morning.

  • *setting the scene*** - I live near Leeds Castle in Kent and use the A20 to get to J8 of the M20 everyday. Between the Castle and the motorway there is a very short dual carriage way leading to a roundabout with two exits, the A20 to Maidstone and the M20. The road signs and markings show that the left lane is for the A20 and the right lane is for the M20.
  • *the incident*** - This morning I was behind a Range Rover in the right lane approaching the round about at a "normal" speed. When we're about 100m from the roundabout I can see a static car in the left lane with Foreign plates and no traffic on the roundabout. It's instantly obvious to me that this car will very probably want to use the M20 and is simply in the wrong lane. However, even though the foreign car pulls away 5m or so before the Range Rover gets there the RR man decides that, rather than just hang back a second and let the obviously confused foriegn driver go, he'll assert his right of way and effectively cut-up the inside nearly causing an accident. Now, again, rather than a toot of the horn Mr RR (who has clearly been eating steroids like they're skittles) gets out and spends about a minute screaming at the poor car driver in an incandesent rage. Then he hops back in his RR (after delaying everyone during his rage)and wheel spins off.
  • *the aftermarth*** - He's raging for the rest of the morning, the foreign driver/family are terrified, about 30 other cars are delayed and all for what - nothing. I'd actually slowed down expecting the RR to brake and let the car go around first and couldn't believe the attitude of "it's my right of way so I'll potentially cause an accident rather than give way".
I see this and other amazing things daily in Kent which, to be utterly blunt, has the highest percentage of poor drivers I've seen in the UK having lived all over in the past 20 years (moved every 2-3 years- Scotland to Cornwall and all between).
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